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Frage von xmic1207:


Hello ...

I just read from a provider of Ebay by chance, that should come through the film editing with the camcorder to tape the game housing and tow very involved. Is that true? And if so ... are the parts that can replace one good and cheap, expand or renew?

I have gained a new SonyDCR VX-2100 and synonymous with it ... now I cut the film section somewhat uneasy. I do not want to overburden this marvelous technological achievement. It will last a long time ...

What say you to wear this possible?

Michael

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Antwort von EDXF:

Moin Moin,

It is true that the drives and drive components undergo substantial wear and tear by the intersection of work and it was synonymous only if the cam is used only as mixers.
Above all, we underestimated the time that the drive is running tremendously. (My setter a JVC GY DV3000) coils has served in the last 2 months just "quickly head drum 62 hours, so only playback and recording time without. And it was not even a great happening.
Something comes up quickly. Usually, the people at Mini-DV cameras of a lifetime of approximately 1000 hours.
So if you cut a bit more active during the shoot and then I would recommend you already have a setter, and if it is just a small, inexpensive Einchipkamera with DV - In Is.

If you're more a casual videographers, it is not sure such a tragedy.
The VX2100 does have a time counter. Write to you just for a time and times to distinguish between the film and rework. Then you see, meet, and if so how many hours the ratio is cut in order to film, whether it was better an upper Setter will dazugenommen.

EDIT:
However, one has to say, moreover, that it makes a difference whether the Cam tape on a train on the calculator does (and vice versa), or scene is captured, and as always sought out and her will, with Stillimage scan, single and and And, ... DAS makes the drive really ready.
Put the tape in one of the calculator and that protects the drive already essentially synonymous.
By Scenalyzer example, one can indeed synonymous capture scene, during which a cam goes through. The premiere example is a stop and go beyond compare and a hardship for the drive as it could not be worse.

Best regards,
Marcus

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Antwort von Markus:

"EDXF" wrote: However, one has to say, moreover, that it makes a difference whether the Cam tape on a train on the calculator does (and vice versa), or scene is captured, and as always sought out and her will, with Stillimage scan, single and and And, ... DAS makes the drive really ready.
Hello Michael,

I would like to join the previous speaker and add the following: Tape drives are not made of sugar and who else knows the linear editing (two setter: forward, backward, single image as backward, play, pause, ... / recorder a recording: recording, pause recording, Pause, backward, white insert ,...), which, as can be tough tape drives.

In contrast, today there camcorder / recorder much easier: The tape is played back on a train and play the data on the calculator. Only there are scenes (sorted aus-/um-) cut and trimmed. The recorder is in Comparison to linear editing so only a very short time and used in a careful manner. The head hours are reduced to a considerable extent, and the lifetime (time to repair) is extended significantly.

If you play your shots on a train on the computer, then post-process play out and the film cut back on MiniDV, so there is no undue cause for panic.

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Antwort von xmic1207:

Hmm ... Ok ..

1. Then I'll now try to summarize the future erstmal scenes, like the capture and play entirely on my calculator. I work to play along with Avid. Maybe someone knows if I can break even there, an entire clip back into smaller parts? I know myself with Avid from now relatively well, but unfortunately beyond my areas of knowledge ...

2. Then to say that even synonymous, that I on the reputation of scenes that I have rotated during filming and I just look on the screen times synonymous to renounce ...

3. Which "cheap" Camera can you recommend it?

MFG

Michael

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Antwort von Markus:

Hello Michael,

Most video editing programs have an automatic scene, but now separated. The just have to be activated. In the computer hardware with the timestamp of the Recording and work is thus completely frame accurate. (Whether / how this works at Avid, I do not know).

In one scene, I would not give control, however. The reason for the recording is yes, have useful material for cutting later on. When the scene was, however, vergeigt and so striking about the first cut, if it were a pity.

As I said, tape drives are not made of sugar and my oldest, functioning Hi8 camcorder (SonyTR2000) had taken part in nor the time of the grueling, linear cut and still running without any problems.

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Antwort von EDXF:

Hello again,

we have taken in conjunction with Avid DV of spacing. On a PC-based interface offer other solutions much more. Avid is unable, with native DV files (. Avi) work, but converted to an own format, which requires a large disk space. Working with Avi files on the PC but brings greater flexibility, so that we, for example, we have to Premiere 6.5, Edius recorded and compositing programs, etc., in conjunction with a Canopus capture card.
In addition, Avid, if I remember correctly, like Premiere capture the bad habit, scene wise to stop and after each scene, playback and reschedule. No joy for the drive.
Mark is obviously right that that the drives are not really made from sugar, but who views the mechanical parts of a stand-alone playback devices which compares with a camcorder, will recognize that the latter made a very delicate and are therefore not nearly as mechanically robust and resilient .
As synonymous, with the compact sizes of camcorder?
Unlike in professional shoulder-DV cameras. Since the drives are the same as in the playback devices (eg, the JVC GY-DV 5100 Camera and the BR3000 recorder).
Cutting operation with a mini-DV camcorder, then definitely not recommended if something is working intensively with them.
Also nonlinear, if the Capture program, the camera starts and stops unnecessary.
Opportunity filmmakers excluded.
But as I say, beware of your time meter and you can quickly see how much comes together as synonymous or not, and as things look to cut recording.
If the deadline is fast approaching and accumulate the most hours on average holding is worth the consideration. Otherwise you really rather shoot with cannons on sparrows.

Best regards,
Marcus

BTW: As far as the just watch Sezenen twisted: That's not a professional cameraman. Too big is the risk of accidentally dub scenes or posit the time code is not correct (if the tape is not pre-formatted, which in turn means maturities band ;-))
When I look at a scene'm not sure I turn them again.
But this really only incidentally.

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Antwort von Markus:

"Marcus" EDXF "" wrote: Too big is the risk of accidentally dub scenes or posit the time code is not correct (if the tape is not pre-formatted, which in turn means maturities band ;-))
With the accidental dubbing is certainly a risk. As regards the finding of the receiving end, the VX2100 an "End Search" has button -. With the end of the recording is automatically hit. This works especially well with tape with memory chip, memory chip without the tapes should not be removed from the camcorder between shots. ;-)

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Antwort von xmic1207:

Ok ...

Since I, although I was years and make myself somewhat versed with many things must be considered amateurs, and multi-faceted equipment is denied me, still, I'll buy myself probably a sekundärkamera so I can continue to shoot properly and and cut. After all your feedback to me is my VX-2100 really burn a waste ...

But on the other Page, it must be possible to sue Sony for replacement services if the camcorder too soon gives up the ghost. Suppose the game housing or drag strip show at some point defects, it must still be given the opportunity of free repair or a repair of this access technology at all possible, without too deep into their pockets to do so?

BTW: How / Where can I find it time counter?

Michael

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Antwort von rush:

"EDXF" wrote:
The premiere example is a stop and go beyond compare and a hardship for the drive as it could not be worse.

Best regards,
Marcus


In the current version of Adobe Premiere (1.5), the material is recorded in a way synonymous slip .... :)

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Antwort von Markus:

"Michael" xmic1207 "" wrote: Suppose the game housing or drag strip show at some point defects, it must still be given the opportunity of free repair or a repair of this access technology at all possible, without too deep into their pockets to do so?
Hello Michael,

You have purchased your new camcorder? Then you have two years warranty and the fact that defects can be repaired on warranty.

I also understand that no consumer devices that are visible to the consumer Betriebs-/Kopfstundenzähler. In the professional version of the VX2100, the PD170, you can query this and other data in the menu. When will the new consumer devices as far as I know only through a service query.

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Antwort von xmic1207:

In Premiere, I can import the material in one go?

Ok ... this will always be an entire MiniDV ... means one hours ... but as I dissect them into separate clips?

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Antwort von rush:

"xmic1207" wrote: In Premiere, I can import the material in one go?

Ok ... this will always be an entire MiniDV ... means one hours ... but as I dissect them into separate clips?


makes premiere auto ... The scenes are detected during the run and immediately divided into individual clips ... without the band stop ...

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Antwort von EDXF:

"xmic1207" wrote: In Premiere, I can import the material in one go?

Ok ... this will always be an entire MiniDV ... means one hours ... but as I dissect them into separate clips?


So my recommendation: Take the Scenalyzer.
Gibts in the simple version as freeware and the Scenalyzer live version costs just 39 euros and is worth every single penny.
Makes automatic scene detection, as Mark has already described, without stopping the camera too.
After that you can in the same program, the scenes that you do not need to sort out immediately and delete and so save space.
The Avi's can be imported into Avid synonymous, but they are professional enough to convert.

I have to adjust to the hours counter now. I would have sworn that I have the views on a 2000s ,.... But Mark is right, gang, and there is only professional equipment. Mistake, therefore not excluded. The PD170 is one that can be accessed through the menu, just like the JVC Schultercams.

Best regards,
Marcus

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Antwort von eLmUnDo_PrOdUcTiOnS:

Hello,

small addition of me.

The VX 2100 / 2000 definitely has no hour meter, the PD 170 to

each case. Before I switched to PD 170, I had a 2100er.

Greeting

Sebastian

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