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Kann 5d Mark 2 mit 16mm-FilmQualität mithalten?!

Can 5d Mark 2 with 16mm film quality to keep up?



Frage von alexanderdergrosse:
Dezember 2008

I'm moving on Mark 2.
Have a few years ago with 16mm rotated.
I converted to DV, then HDV.
Then meanwhile HD.

Can 5d Mark 2 with the 16mm-film quality to keep up?



Antwort von beiti:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
Can 5d Mark 2 with the 16mm-film quality to keep up?
The question is hopefully not serious? Normally there is discussion whether the 5DII with 35-mm film can keep.

Abesehen like this so hopefully you know that the 5DII is not a video camera and - in spite of their qualities - not so easy to replace your camcorder can. It depends on what you do.



Antwort von Axel:

Material of 16mm - but Super16 - I have recently seen a 2k scan. The question whether the quality of this Nikon is quite justified. We do not talk of old-Tatort episodes, which were broadcast in Pal, with dust and shakes with every (physical) cut!





Antwort von Debonnaire:

"Axel" wrote:
The question whether the quality of this Nikon is quite justified.

Nikon? What did the Nikon here to search?

The fact that Nikon does not reach this quality, each is clear! Just go here to stop the Canon 5D Mark 2!



Antwort von Valentino:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:

Can 5d Mark 2 with the 16mm-film quality to keep up?

So what the pure Resolutionangeht has 16mm film with good optics approximately 2K resolution, as long as I do not turn on sensitive Filmaterialien. So everything under 200ASA, while the Filmaterial synonymous still a higher Frabraum as synonymous higher aperture size as the D5 Mark 2 hold.
Even the Canon in a very strong kompimierten format (H.264) and a 4:2:0 Frabsampling works is likely only in the post-show and every decently exposed 16mm negative 2Kscan will look a lot better and in order to log DPX much better to handle his.

Where we are now synonymous something comparing apples with pears, the video function of the 5D is rather small for so absolutely low Buget projects designed with a 16mm and 2K DI is more likely but then mid to high Buget.

If you only UMD is the depth and you have a small, cheap movie to make me want to be displayed both very s.Platz fail, because I would like to have for the money rather an HDV mill with P + S adapter borrow.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Valentino" wrote:
Even the Canon in a very strong kompimierten format (H.264) and a 4:2:0 Frabsampling works is likely only in the post-show and every decently exposed 16mm negative 2Kscan will look a lot better and in order to log DPX much better to handle his.


The RGB 5DMKII has a chip, how do you ensure that they YUV 4:2:0 sampling makes?

"Valentino" wrote:
If you only UMD is the depth and you have a small, cheap movie to make me want to be displayed both very s.Platz fail, because I would like to have for the money rather an HDV mill with P + S adapter borrow.


The P + S has, in conjunction with HDV too much grain, is a better EX1 with a Letus, especially the wagon much light is stronger, more Bokeh offers - and this is cheaper. Do you get for $ 100 s.Tag complete. The light is strongest s.Markt however 5DMKII, better than any adapter wagon, just a question of handling.

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The question is anyway, in what respects comparable with 16mm?
- In terms of depth is even better than Super35 whereas only a 16mm boring 2 / 3 "chip corresponds
- The sensitivity to light is the best thing you can get
- The handling is the most horrific thing you can get
- The color is certainly a better 16mm, and it burns just not digitally from the heights, with the video is very difficult to achieve but not impossible

I have both a 5DMKII as synonymous Kombi a 35mm adapter. If I tell you what let für nen test can tell it.

MB



Antwort von meawk:

Jo - http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=JOlIB-V2ZFw

I quote: "Nikon? What did the Nikon here to search?

The fact that Nikon does not reach this quality, each is clear! Just go here to stop the Canon 5D Mark 2! "

Na ja. . .?



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

The aim is to establish a no-budget film to shoot. Mir has no preference whether the handling or the appearance of Cinealta not correspond.
The main thing is the resolution, depth blur, quality and manual setting possibilities and Lowlight strengths. I have videos of the Mark on video portals compatriots and am thrilled. At such a price I have not such an amazing quality. Since coming to me for the planned Bet 2 Cams in question. Ex1 or MARK2.

What comes closer to the real movie: Ex1 or MARK2?
(although I've tested the ex1 and they find super)

In dierektem Comparison - what would be my goal s.passendsten?
(Based on the price but on the sheer quality and "movies-look" to the real movie comes closer)

;-) Thank you, folks!



Antwort von Axel:

I said of course the Canon in my posting. It is indeed time prescribe.

For the look, which you aspire, is not merely Bokeh and DOF-high resolution. As everyone knows, is a good lighting is much more than these two. Thus the relative advantage of the Canon, very light on his back a little.

I agree with Marc on the ball home. Plus Letus EX, with everything that surrounds it. Even I use the Canon A1 with Letus. After initially playing with an extremely small field sharpness, I have now understood that it is mainly the higher effort, the images aufwertet. The handling is more difficult in the literal sense, "just handheld falls flat. We want all photographic parameters to control.

From this user-related quality filter will benefit synonymous' normal 'video recordings.

"meawk" wrote:
Jo --

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=JOlIB-V2ZFw

I quote: "Nikon? What did the Nikon here to search?

The fact that Nikon does not reach this quality, each is clear! Just go here to stop the Canon 5D Mark 2! "

Na ja. . .?


At this spot falls on:

1. From the hand even with Angleeine Wide loose orgy. The cameraman for the unusual situation (he has probably tested in the store) already taken into account, it is clear that the camera is too easy. So a rig is required, and in every case synonymous duly added weight.

2. Incorrect Shutter, smear the pan completely. It still needs another reason. In the first clip here


Antwort von beiti:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
What comes closer to the real movie: Ex1 or MARK2?
(although I've tested the ex1 and they find super)
The EX1 is the 16-mm film closer to the 5DII the 35-mm film. :)

But the question remains, what you with the 30 fps of the 5DII would employ. So good you can only in a NTSC environment, or you can burn Blu-rays. For PAL video (50i) or synonymous for Movies / FAZ (24 fps) should be the format under significant quality losses are converted.

If I use a low-budget film to shoot, I would apologize for the EX1/EX3 decide - even for reasons of handling.



Antwort von Axel:

"beiti" wrote:
The EX1 is the 16-mm film closer to the 5DII the 35-mm film. :)


Here you can only chip size of the talk (with the Canon and even the double size as 35mm film), but in all other respects, the Comparison s.den herbei hair pulled. I think that he is anyway.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:

"meawk" wrote:
Jo --

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=JOlIB-V2ZFw

I quote: "Nikon? What did the Nikon here to search?

The fact that Nikon does not reach this quality, each is clear! Just go here to stop the Canon 5D Mark 2! "

Na ja. . .?


At this spot falls on:

1. From the hand even with Angleeine Wide loose orgy. The cameraman for the unusual situation (he has probably tested in the store) already taken into account, it is clear that the camera is too easy. So a rig is required, and in every case synonymous duly added weight.

2. Incorrect Shutter, smear the pan completely. It still needs another reason. In the first clip here to see. If this is not clever can control ...


Of course everything was done wrong, but when I look at who's made, I must not forget it next to think and I commend thee same.

"beiti" wrote:
"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
What comes closer to the real movie: Ex1 or MARK2?
(although I've tested the ex1 and they find super)
The EX1 is the 16-mm film closer to the 5DII the 35-mm film. :)


Does not make sense. The chip is the EX1 with 4:2:0 YUV with only 1 / 2 "and thus smaller than 16mm, the chip of 5DMKII is larger than 35mm and RGB. Whether it looks like film, depends here only of the exposure and Hightlights The Post-grading. The camera can be in any case.

"beiti" wrote:
But the question remains, what you with the 30 fps of the 5DII would employ. So good you can only in a NTSC environment, or you can burn Blu-rays. For PAL video (50i) or synonymous for Movies / FAZ (24 fps) should be the format under significant quality losses are converted.


The conversion of 30 after 25 is hardly visible and does not synonymous significant quality loss, because frames are omitted. If it is not for TV or PAL DVD, it is anyway better to film in 30p and synonymous to cut, because almost all computer monitors are s.Web hang, only 60Hz, running at just 30p or 60i smooth. And if it then it comes to TV, so it's no problem runterzurechnen. The resulting shutter to get even with RSMB easily into the handle.

"beiti" wrote:
If I use a low-budget film to shoot, I would apologize for the EX1/EX3 decide - even for reasons of handling.


I'm with the EX1 + adapter almost exactly as fast as without, all the exercise thing. For time-critical situations, there are zoom lenses, but the look is simply indispensable for scenic work, I think. Does everyone know of course, but with a bissschen exercise is really not a thing, because the package Unlike thicker Cam with P + S does not exceed 25 n.wiegt but 8 kg.

MB



Antwort von deti:

"Marc ball home" wrote:

Does not make sense. The chip is the EX1 with 4:2:0 YUV with only 1 / 2 "and thus smaller than 16mm, the chip of 5DMKII is larger than 35mm and RGB.


Yes, this makes no sense, because CCD - or CMOS sensors can only brightness values and basic colors (RGB) color filter just upstream on record. YUV is only a so-called color.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ CCD sensor
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ CMOS sensor
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ YUV

Deti



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"deti" wrote:

Yes, this makes no sense, because CCD - or CMOS sensors can only brightness values and basic colors (RGB) color filter just upstream on record. YUV is only a so-called color.


Is it clear to me, but the 5DMKII does not work in YUV, RGB but remains, at least as far as I know. The EX1 is in YUV and operates on corresponding with 4:2:0 sampling, which 5DMKII but not - as far as I know. And if so, are the colors of the Canon is much better represented, which I wanted to say, plus the fact Bokeh with the higher than 35mm.



Antwort von meawk:

"Marc ball home" wrote:


Of course everything was done wrong, but when I look at who's made, I must not forget it next to think and I commend thee same.

MB


You're already a funny fellow, can the D90 "NULL" and do they serve only lousy, but here is yet again the big bloke raushängen.

I am on a work of you with the 5d II excited (but please do not slide).



Antwort von deti:

"Marc ball home" wrote:

Is it clear to me, but the 5DMKII does not work in YUV, RGB but remains, at least as far as I know.


The Canon EOS 5D Mark II videos encoded in H.264 AVC and also uses the model in YUV 4:2:0 - so there is no difference. The image format is 1920x1080p30 @ 38.6 Mbit / s - at least here in our copy ;-)

... and if the question is whether you have no more via HDMI rausholen can: No, there is always synonymous with the entire OSD in the Picture.

Deti



Antwort von beiti:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
The conversion of 30 after 25 is hardly visible and does not synonymous significant quality loss, because frames are omitted.
It is the sixth of each picture (ie, 5 per second) to omit, but then shrugs it five times per second. For quiet images like this okay, but in uniform motion, it is disturbing.
With videos from the 5DII I have not yet tried, but with SD video.



Antwort von Axel:

An alexanderdengroßen perhaps important detail has not been mentioned: the sound of the O-Mark 2, you can not seriously want to use. There would then be recorded with external flap needed. Some HD cameras, however, have XLR inputs.

As for the conversion of 30 fps to 25 fps is concerned, you do not have to guess. You can download the original file (for example, of "Reverie"> search). Simple image omission is not sufficient for a fluid movement. This must all be uncompressed in After Effects will be newly mapped. Anyone who wants the burden Antu ...



Antwort von deti:

Perhaps a little more detailed information on the generated H.264 in MP4/MOV-Container:

MOV: AVcc Version: 1
MOV: AVcc profile: 77
MOV: AVcc profile compatibility: 224
MOV: AVcc level: 50
MOV: AVcc nal length size: 4
MOV: AVcc number of sequence param sets: 1
MOV: 0 sps AVcc have length 14
MOV: AVcc number of picture param sets: 1
MOV: AVcc pps 0 have length 4

As for me looks like the camera uses the Main Profile, which synonymous only the 4:2:0 model for color coding is possible.

Deti



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:
An alexanderdengroßen perhaps important detail has not been mentioned: the sound of the O-Mark 2, you can not seriously want to use. There would then be recorded with external flap needed. Some HD cameras, however, have XLR inputs.


Why for heaven's sake should be staged with a camera to record sound? The EB is not a mill!

As for the conversion of 30 fps to 25 fps is concerned, you do not have to guess. You can download the original file (for example, of "Reverie"> search). Simple image omission is not sufficient for a fluid movement. This must all be uncompressed in After Effects will be newly mapped. Anyone who wants the burden Antu ...[/ quote]

That is certainly easier than standard vector conversion and is not synonymous effort. I think the production in anyway to 30p inzwischne clever. Why PAL wenns not come on TV? There is simply no sensible reason why one must sometimes adopt and habits of thinking.

"beiti" wrote:
It is the sixth of each picture (ie, 5 per second) to omit, but then shrugs it five times per second. For quiet images like this okay, but in uniform motion, it is disturbing.
With videos from the 5DII I have not yet tried, but with SD video.


What you check this?

MB



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

Can Mark 2 Progressive record?

I'm really surprised how many qualities for such a price inside.

With The Sound, I have a hv30 where Rode Videomic can record the sound.



Antwort von beiti:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
I think the production in anyway to 30p inzwischne clever. Why PAL wenns not come on TV?
Practically every movie (no preference whether or not high-budget or low budget) comes sooner or later on TV, would be pretty short-sighted, it is not to think.
For a movie-FAZ you need 24 fps, so this is not easier than the PAL conversion. Whether synonymous digital cinema projectors can display 30 fps, I do not know. Will depend on the format there can be absolutely anything.
Only when the film exclusively on Blu-ray and the network wants to show can be 30 fps okay.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
Can Mark 2 Progressive record?

I'm really surprised how many qualities for such a price inside.


A camera knows no interlacing;) What input your question, your goal as you come s.nächsten: With an EX1 + adapter, because the handling of the 5DMKII will drive you crazy if you so want to rotate 20 days.

"beiti" wrote:

Only when the film exclusively on Blu-ray and the network wants to show can be 30 fps okay.


Then according to your theory, all the Americans what is wrong;) Now seriously, did you CSI, Dr. House or Desperate Housewives (often long pans) schonmal see what shakes? So I do not. If I am a German broadcaster seemed a stack for the broadcasting on TV hinblättert, bar me synonymous a reasonable standard conversion and am so far on improving the quality of the medium number 1: The Internet.



Antwort von meawk:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
. . . If I am a German broadcaster seemed a stack for the broadcasting on TV hinblättert, bar me synonymous a reasonable standard conversion and am so far on improving the quality of the medium number 1: The Internet.


Do you know your movies? If so, sorry. Do you have a link?



Antwort von Axel:

"beiti" wrote:
For a movie-FAZ you need 24 fps


Or 25 fps. Each projector can play. 25 images, which with the - next disseminated - 24er radio play, then see exactly yet. Even the editors recognize the difference does not synonymous, if he maintains. Music For People with absolute detect heard that the key is wrong.

"beiti" wrote:
Whether synonymous digital cinema projectors can display 30 fps, I do not know. Will depend on the format there can be absolutely anything.


I assume that a DLP-head with its oscillating mirrors with an LCD Monintor comparable. You can at any rate 24, 25, 48 and 50, so why not 30? The 2k player itself only accept JPEG2000, as in the past no longer synonymous Mpeg2 and Mpeg4.

"Marc ball home" wrote:
There is simply no sensible reason why one must sometimes adopt and habits of thinking.


Is of a lower frequency to adopt, with thinking has only to do so. It leads too far, and I will not because sowas unstop barrel, but little depth of field, like any dramatic interference with a realistic picture implies a deliberate reduction to the essentials. 30 fps on a large screen to see billo, it is easy.



Antwort von beiti:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
Then according to your theory, all the Americans what is wrong;) Now seriously, did you CSI, Dr. House or Desperate Housewives (often long pans) schonmal see what shakes? So I do not.
I know, and while continuously. I do not know how many of them actually will change the standard and how much simply reflects the low frame rate is decreasing. Definitely the standard conversion of jerky come running title, and there are newer series, but barely, so technically the current comparison is missing.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:

Is of a lower frequency to adopt, with thinking has only to do so. It leads too far, and I will not because sowas unstop barrel, but little depth of field, like any dramatic interference with a realistic picture implies a deliberate reduction to the essentials. 30 fps on a large screen to see billo, it is easy.


Because I give you right. But here you have the church in the village, because hardly anyone would come up with the idea of a movie with a 5DMKII to shoot, but for a TV report, the doubt should be normgewandelt then, it all goes.

"beiti" wrote:
I know, and while continuously. I do not know how many of them actually will change the standard and how much simply reflects the low frame rate is decreasing. Definitely the standard conversion of jerky come running title, and there are newer series, but barely, so technically the current comparison is missing.


With a jerky motionvektorbasierten Normandlung nothing, not really, not one bit, with just the eye because you s.TV purely garnicht can see, not synonymous with rolling titles. Such a standard transformer costs but loosely synonymous times as much as a single family.

It always jerky then what if the frequencies do not agree. That is to say, but synonymous, for example, that the bescheurten video distribution in any gym hang, almost always because the shakes are either incorrect or no 50 Hz can. I have seen x-fold. Also jerky, as already posted, TV invariably always s.Computermonitor also s.Billigimport TVs are not 50 Hz, there is more than you think.

MB



Antwort von Axel:

Fine. And the Conclusion? The MARK2 is top in all respects. Eh? What was with the Motion Blubb (motion blur so you can no longer mention)? In the years to get? It was always interesting that the official sample clips are so bad.



Antwort von Valentino:

Help, what is here again, I understand all this nonsense with your movie look garnicht times and I feel it slowly synonymous to the biscuit, which is always a main argument must be saddled.
That with the cinema does indeed look almost as if without a 35mm adapter Short Film no longer has to rotate.
The term "film look" is of one year to always vague and has the same Ausagekraf soon as the word "Web 2.0".
So now a few tips synonymous with those in IR and without an adapter 90min movie can be achieved:
-Look at the sun and weather and what about you day / night and weather situation for the script fits. Even if it rotates inside you can sort through a few times loose lighting units and can save even then only by sheets and pizza Styros something brighten.
-what about you good light for their needs and draw up a planning on s.welchem days it takes the light and s.welchem not.
-When you concern the distributors a couple of old soft as synonymous color foils and get thinking what colors to the film / scene would fit. (The film is, for example, sugar baby geleuchtet bund so that it almost looks after disco, but it fits 100% the script and you realize that a synonymous concept behind it)
-Discuss with the Directing each picture is a concept on how you want to dissolve the scene and the motive s.besten during the visit.
-Watch a movie script s.der s.euer comes very close to what setting and observed sizes and nursing resources are used. This should not copy her now about you but why the cameraman is so gerabeitet and what is his trademark.
Try everything a little differently to make :-)

Only now I would like to have a few thoughts to the camera and make me probably for a new or HDCAM VARI Cam decide because I have these devices with the best quality possible and get synonymous with me at home s.AVID and can cut the picture is still better than HDV and CO. looks like. The optics with the right is of course still the one thing, it will not everybody to DIGIZOOM or even a sentence DigiPrimes could afford, but a good HD Zoom does it need to synonymous. If garkein money is there, I think the DVX100 is still the best choice and then when the rest organissiert is good, the film nurnoch a success.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

Thanks for the quick digression into matters host pipe! I believe it have all been waiting for. But perhaps a reminder: It's about Picture!

The Camera is the first step, without the corresponding post, it will be synonymous with adapter or 5DMKII not film, but with your approach never. An EB is a Varicam camera, as well as an HD Cam, both expensive and looks like nothing out. Images from these cameras do not provide enough atmosphere and are not able to isolate subjects.

Your work always leads to video look, looks like GZSZ in colorful, sharp to Timbuktu, photographically seen horribly. That what you do because, like your own style, but certainly not a good recommendation for someone who wants to work cinematically and opened such a thread.

You do not synonymous DigiPrimes or 35mm Cooke to work, because rich synonymous Highspeed Nikon optics, the cheese is completely what you write there. EX1 with an adapter and 6 lenses and accessories all s.Tag costs half as much as a 2 / 3 "Chipper without something. We must be able to stop it, that's the difference.

If you on the biscuit, is perhaps simply not the right thread for you.

MB



Antwort von PowerMac:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
(...) Images from such cameras do not provide enough atmosphere and are not able to isolate subjects. (...)


My friend, no cameras convey mood and certainly not isolate motifs.



Antwort von WoWu:

"deti" wrote:
Perhaps a little more detailed information on the generated H.264 in MP4/MOV-Container:

MOV: AVcc Version: 1
MOV: AVcc profile: 77
MOV: AVcc profile compatibility: 224
MOV: AVcc level: 50
MOV: AVcc nal length size: 4
MOV: AVcc number of sequence param sets: 1
MOV: 0 sps AVcc have length 14
MOV: AVcc number of picture param sets: 1
MOV: AVcc pps 0 have length 4

As for me looks like the camera uses the Main Profile, which synonymous only the 4:2:0 model for color coding is possible.

Deti


Deti,
... your data are really irritates me .... You can verify this again, whether the real "profile 77" is?
Because AVC77 is a 4:3 SD ATSC profiles ..? (... I think 1440 is synonymous only a 4:3 MPEG2 profiles so far ....)
If this really is, and not even 88 or 100, then we would have but as a very "simple" quality ...
Also the Level 5.0, I can in this connection had not really indicate.
Maybe now, however, that Canon as a separate level defined, because there is only limited data exist.
Otherwise, thanks for the info.
Happy ..



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

exciting topic!

I thank you for the Participate and wish Happy New Year ;-)



Antwort von Valentino:

"Marc ball home" wrote:

The Camera is the first step, without the corresponding post, it will be synonymous with adapter or 5DMKII not film, but with your approach never. An EB is a Varicam camera, as well as an HD Cam, both expensive and looks like nothing out. Images from these cameras do not provide enough atmosphere and are not able to isolate subjects.

Your work always leads to video look, looks like GZSZ in colorful, sharp to Timbuktu, photographically seen horribly. That what you do because, like your own style, but certainly not a good recommendation for someone who wants to work cinematically and opened such a thread.

You do not synonymous DigiPrimes or 35mm Cooke to work, because rich synonymous Highspeed Nikon optics, the cheese is completely what you write there. EX1 with an adapter and 6 lenses and accessories all s.Tag costs half as much as a 2 / 3 "Chipper without something. We must be able to stop it, that's the difference.

Hey, of one of the names of Mr. Ballhaus here, I have used a bit more expected.

So issue 2 / 3 and sharpness, ask why the effective 16mm in television or as synonymous BlowUp 35mm (City of God) but for film / movies made. The only reason why you still think the video should look so sharp is that you did not plan where you s.einer Sony Varicam Or splitting off the edges or down screws. Thus you will get from any HD camera is a very Filma Picture, for example with a 1 / 8 Black ProMist filter for a good grading is no longer of 16mm is to be distinguished.
Oh, and as a tip DigiPrimes fit on only 2 / 3 lenses and not on the mount of a 35mm adapter ;-)
Synonymous with power then available on the EX3, which is probably the most complete camera can break if you forget the supporting bridge :-) Oh mochmal a new word (Stützbrücke/LS9/LS7) for today, but the sheep you've Marc; -- ) Now can still find out what is adjustable, the LS7 or LS9.
As an example, which is synonymous with a DV camera without a 35mm adapter is a film that looks sogarnicht after DV is "Land Of Planty" of Wim Wenders to call. Was shot with a DVX100 and as good as Kantenaufsteilung None.

Narrative but please do not isolate of mood and if you do not know of the light setting and the work of a camera man did. Write the times but the Fischerkösen (probably synonymous Does not know who that is ;-) who is certainly pleased.

PS: It seems you were right yes not even s.einem film synonymous and did not plan was a set-Al or manager has to do, but everybody starts small at times.



Antwort von Axel:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
Can Mark 2 Progressive record?

I'm really surprised how many qualities for such a price inside.

With The Sound, I have a hv30 where Rode Videomic can record the sound.


In your situation, as I your (not evil intentioned, is synonymous for me) situation as an amateur appreciate, the HV30 but quite okay. My outpost stress that the torturing of video on any look that you have as a role model, just in the wrong leads. This is to be understood that above all a sleight dramatic intent must be. If you're aware, is the creative use of light with 90% of what one can achieve photographically. Believe it. At your place, I would in a well controllable light to invest and thus practice. The desire for less edema video so you can meet. A little sheen can be an additional adapter status, and more fun as there is for the small but crisp cucumber, which you have one that fits like a glove, because it is, read this




Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:
In your situation, as I your (not evil intentioned, is synonymous for me) situation as an amateur appreciate, the HV30 but quite okay. My outpost stress that the torturing of video on any look that you have as a role model, just in the wrong leads. This is to be understood that above all a sleight dramatic intent must be. (...)


Also, someone previously at 16 has rotated, the I would not describe as an amateur. Arris's not MediaMarkt:) So I think one should it be synonymous not teach. I find synonymous, we should always teach nobody unquestioned, because it is arrogant, which I now but your not my post;)

There are finally enough application areas where it is not just drama, but only to look, for example, in many music videos. These are often just a series of high-quality photographic images, which is primarily a performance show, and sometimes of course synonymous epic, but rarely, for example, drama. Where are you with the light alone is not much, because there are no dialogues that of isolating itself, because there is often only with a corresponding three-tiered Picture a chance. Furthermore, there are clear criteria for the transmitter, with a 35mm look simple premise, if not already grad Top 10 in the charts is. Many do not know, but it is so.

"Axel" wrote:
(...) Because I already think that at least scenic video dialogues as O-tones should use:


As I have expressed myself wrong, I just said, yes, the man might not be so with a camera on, yes, there are other possibilities.

"Valentino" wrote:

PS: It seems you were right yes not even s.einem film synonymous and did not plan was a set-Al or manager has to do, but everybody starts small at times.


oh? ... aha ... ->>

"Valentino" wrote:
(...)
I have been in the middle of the head, which I umbedingt on film behind the camera wants. This is me now eight years later synonymous with great success and managed to work for half a year (after two years of internship) as a video operator for various movie productions such as advertising with. My last project was a scene of production, when I after a week almost the whole Materialassistens could make.
And I want to become synonymous cameraman and with Directing simply can not do, I stand just before the decision to study in the summer or in the four years up to me slowly and then just work after a certain time by the operator to be DOP. (...)


"Young people are arrogant, because they walk around with their peers, all of whom are nothing but like a lot of mean." (Nietzsche)

;)

MB



Antwort von deti:

"WoWu" wrote:

Deti,
... your data are really irritates me .... You can verify this again, whether the real "profile 77" is?


I got the synonymous strange, but at least gives the ffmpeg like this (and the values are really decimal):

Stream # 0.0 (eng), 1 / 30: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1920x1080, 1 / 30, 30.00 tb (r)
...
[h264 @ 0x1804600] sps: 0 profile: 77/50 POC: 2 ref: 1 120x68 FRM 8B8 crop: 0/0/0/0 VUI 420
[h264 @ 0x1804600] pps: 0 sps: 0 CAVLC slice_groups: 1 ref: 1 / 1 qp: 26/26/0/0 LPAR

It seems, however, somewhat later in the stream synonymous to perform a parser error:
[h264 @ 0x1804600] AVC: Consumed only 194925 bytes instead of 194928

Strangely, however, no visible errors in the decoded video proceedings.

One sees synonymous, that the encoder in Comparison to Canon AVCHD cameras completely different works (vs. CAVLC. CABAC):

Stream # 0.0 [0x1011], 1 / 90000: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [1:1 par of 16:9], 1 / 25, 25.00 tb (r)

[h264 @ 0x1803600] sps: 0 profile: 100/40 POC: 0 ref: 2 120x34 PIC AFF 8B8 crop: 0/0/0/2 VUI 420
[h264 @ 0x1803600] pps: 0 sps: 0 CABAC slice_groups: 1 ref: 2 / 2 qp: 45/26/0/0 LPAR 8x8DCT
...

I have me in a quiet minute elementary data stream in hex editor to look to have certainty.

Deti



Antwort von Axel:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
Furthermore, there are clear criteria for the transmitter, with a 35mm look simple premise, if not already grad Top 10 in the charts is. Many do not know, but it is so.


It is in the Top 10 In the of you mentioned Dr. House, one could think the hospital needs get an ophthalmologist, because so little is sharp. And what the photographic quality images in music videos is concerned, just because I believe very rare.

I do not think that alexanderdergroße with a Mark 2 would be happier with its HV30, especially with a Letus. With a more secure EX.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:

It is in the Top 10

What? What, where?

"Axel" wrote:
In the of you mentioned Dr. House, one could think the hospital needs get an ophthalmologist, because so little is sharp. And what the photographic quality images in music videos is concerned, just because I believe very rare.


I do not, not really. Of course, not everything is good, but most clips at VIVA / MTV Amiproduktionen are anyway, and they are usually quite well produced.

"Axel" wrote:
I do not think that alexanderdergroße with a Mark 2 would be happier with its HV30, especially with a Letus. With a more secure EX.


Is synonymous my opinion, because I do not believe that he had 20 days durchhält without durchzudrehen with the 5DMKII, the handling is simply garnicht.

MB



Antwort von WoWu:

Deti @

Thank you very much for the trouble.



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

To initial question: "Can 5d Mark 2 with 16mm film quality to keep up?"

Rent both systems and compare your own experience you can here and post the results on Vimeo or publish elsewhere. There's definitely a lot of clicks.



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

Quote:
I do not think that alexanderdergroße with a Mark 2 would be happier with its HV30, especially with a Letus. With a more secure EX.


I will be happier if full Resolutionhabe and look more film can achieve. You have right to light, etc. make much. What many years ago in the astronomy section of her price was possible, is now accessible.

Quote:
Is synonymous my opinion, because I do not believe that he had 20 days durchhält without durchzudrehen with the 5DMKII, the handling is simply garnicht.


Mir gehts just good quality. At such a price of a Mark 2, I like the worse handling in Purchase. Honestly, everyone wants the typical cinema look, that looks so good, especially if one with the 16mm has worked to avoid such quality not to miss anymore. Digital to work but is convenient, less expensive and time-saving, which you know yourself.

Quote:

In your situation, as I your (not evil intentioned, is synonymous for me) situation as an amateur appreciate, the HV30 but quite okay.


I need to prove what no one and simply do my thing.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:

Mir gehts just good quality. At such a price of a Mark 2, I like the worse handling in Purchase. Honestly, everyone wants the typical cinema look, that looks so good, especially if one with the 16mm has worked to avoid such quality not to miss anymore. Digital to work but is convenient, less expensive and time-saving, which you know yourself.


For this you need but the 5DMKII not, that is synonymous with EX1 + adapter, but clearly elegant handling of her, because you're in all the parameters and have direct access tools such as Zebra, Histogram, Peaking, Expand Focus s.Start searched. That said I do. Weiss is not whether you want to rent or buy.

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:

I need to prove what no one and simply do my thing.


If only to see it all ...



Antwort von Axel:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
I need to prove what no one and simply do my thing.


Again sorry, if you're pigeonholed into a felt. With "amateur" I mean just that, not contracting a professional standard at present, but responsible "his thing" to do. I had synonymous 16mm, Bolex and although not Arri, but as far as I'm concerned, that just made me an ambitious amateur. I hope that is enough to clarify ;-)

From what Mark 2 footage go off when the quality you admire?



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

Quote:
Again sorry, if you're pigeonholed into a felt.


That is not important, because main thing is we are talking about and are equally enthusiastic of new technology, I think that connects all Filmmakers.

Quote:
From what Mark 2 footage go off when the quality you admire?


I will confine myself to a particular video, but see the potential of the Mark 2 on the video portals YouTube (high quality) and Vimeo. As the depth blur and my wish is coming closer look film will be shown, can my eyes aufblitzeln.
The advantage of Makr is surely the price, disadvantages were discussed.
The ex is also my favorite, but the price is hot.
For a no-budget film every cent is important because I like to synonymous restrictions, one must be fulfilled, but film-look (the Mark 2 I can see for me) and the 1080x1920 resolution.

Quote:
For this you need but the 5DMKII not, that is synonymous with EX1 + adapter ...


Yes, the ex's great horse, but expensive to buy, as the only alternative I see the 2nd Mark But in order to draw comparisons, I can only test on the videos on video portals are limited. Will probably Mark himself times in the hand and take a look. Must me the Red synonymous times closer look at how it looks (the cheap version).



Antwort von Axel:

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
Yes, the ex's great horse, but expensive to buy, as the only alternative I see the 2nd Mark But in order to draw comparisons, I can only test on the videos on video portals are limited. Will probably Mark himself times in the hand and take a look. Must me the Red synonymous times closer look at how it looks (the cheap version).


Yes, the Scarlet is $ 3800 with just one consideration worth. Disadvantages: The 2 / 3 chip goes, DOF-moderate, rather in the direction of 16mm,
http://red.cachefly.net/14/mysterium.jpg
(here the original size, you have to see it, because 2 / 3 for a prosumer already sounds so great, the cursor becomes a "+", click once)
- And: "est. Summer / Fall 2009" translated for RED products customized with Babelfish: you order at New Year 2010 (the year in which we came) and get the camera four months later, when the successor is announced, the RED then you at a special price.

The videos that I have with EX + Letus have seen convince me more than the 2nd Mark Test videos are stupid. The 35mm films demo always want first and foremost the sharpness control to demonstrate and grossly exaggerate (especially those of the "official" Letus gurus Philip Bloom). The look of a recording by an adapter, almost out-of-the-box, immediately conveys the feeling, with no more video to shoot. Not even because of the sharpness, but because of the quality of light. With an adapter ertappst you're in the process after back-to seek opportunities. Of course, the aperture size is the same as before, but the contrasts are reduced through the screen and the transitions into clipping dispersed (transitions that it is digital does not exist, it'sa miracle). A dull, evenly lit picture is still weak, yet boring, one for video dangerous contrasting Picture coaxed you a sigh of happiness, and this is not thick. You can an old analog reflex viewfinder as a reliable motive hernehmen. Spontaneous analog feeling. I doubt very much that this is so with the Mark 2 recruits. Try it out, degrade your HV30 into a stupid chip that only an analog picture "take". The EX will still provide you with a bit more Resolutionund control (and, of course, slow motion and sowas, synonymous in scenic shooting often used - and usually little spectacular - style means that the EX has provided Mark 2).



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

Hm, since the mat slice the picture a bit and it takes away nothing s.Dynamics wins, of course you have to counter that all synonymous in the post-how, and probably even better.

I'm really an advocate of adapters and turn very happy doing that, but I think this should be no argument for its adapter. On the contrary, in the post goes to me the Grain and the artifacts of education through the compression of the grains on the biscuit rather than that it brings me something. But what brings a lot, the gamma curves of the EX1 in conjunction with an adapter that has the 5DMKII probably not synonymous to offer.

I believe one can not generalize.

Incidentally, one sees http://red.cachefly.net/14/mysterium.jpg here synonymous clear how much larger a chip is 5DMKII (FF35) as a 2 / 3 ". If this is synonymous gladly forget: The Canon has a Vollformatsensor, which provides in depth again from a corner as heavy or 35mm than the Red One



Antwort von Axel:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
Hm, since the mat slice the picture a bit and it takes away nothing s.Dynamics wins, of course you have to counter that all synonymous in the post-how, and probably even better.


One gets nowhere Dynamics. Modern video cameras, the Consumer synonymous models correspond to a film speed of something under 300 Asa, which is very good (earlier there were over 500 Asa and thus hardly Dynamics), but there is shift in the shaft. Neither Red nor any, synonymous top digital DSLR, trick the electronic signal processing in next. In the post can only tinker with the brightness variations that are there, so just left with, when recording the given dynamic range auszureizen. The only way to do that is like bringing too much contrast (to lighten dark lots and / or darken too bright lots> ND, and ND-filter, shading). From this concern to relieve a screen of an adapter is not synonymous, but it helps, because it acts like a pastel filter. The inevitable blur is not in Purchase, but it aims s.als counter to kantengeschärften video. Also film, with its stacked layers and the chaotic distribution of a certain grain scattering.

"Marc ball home" wrote:
I'm really an advocate of adapters and turn very happy doing that, but I think this should be no argument for its adapter. On the contrary, in the post goes to me the Grain and the artifacts of education through the compression of the grains on the biscuit rather than that it brings me something.


Creditors have no right, I thought it already ... ;-)))

"Marc ball home" wrote:
Incidentally, one sees http://red.cachefly.net/14/mysterium.jpg here synonymous clear how much larger a chip is 5DMKII (FF35) as a 2 / 3 ". If this is synonymous gladly forget: The Canon has a Vollformatsensor, which provides in depth again from a corner as heavy or 35mm than the Red One


Than 35 mm but only because of the lack of blur. And where you have a small adapter devout supporters are, I'm a traitor s.Shallow DOF. I would be a natural focus Camera with box, ie without conspicuous blurs, much better. And eight times as to how the dynamics in the Mark 2 in the video mode really is. Video precisely.



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

For example, this video demonstrates the Mark 2 in different lighting conditions.





Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:

Creditors have no right, I thought it already ... ;-)))


I would not say so now. But if one adapter with reasonably exposed, ie up to 80% max is, you need to later pull the gain or the gamma, and this brings the dirt as far forward that you really DeGrainen first before you see sense the colors can unscrew. That said, I just so.

"alexanderdergrosse" wrote:
For example, this video demonstrates the Mark 2 in different lighting conditions.





Antwort von Axel:

Bad video actually, what the dynamics are concerned. The only plus point is the Lowlight. Second camera for night shots. The adapter should then s.besten Canon Mount have ....



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:
The adapter should then s.besten Canon Mount have ....


Just not, you do so manually. Although you can use FD lenses, but then you need the EOS for an FD / EOS adapter with Achromatlinse, gehts actually easier with the Nikon.

MB



Antwort von Valentino:

@ Marc ball home

Oh is there someone something sour, with criticism because he does not really handle it?
Igrendwie strange that you react to it so that, just a quote and a little Nietsch, was that all?
Where is the as your own opinion?
Schwam drüber and if I now synonymous times may be so cool:
"What I am interested in my speech of yesterday."
Konrad Adenauer

But I would be really interested in what times you do it professionally, for what you have to shoot so directed and why do you like the Schüzenjäger, Questions about questions ;-)



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

Quote:
Bad video actually, what the dynamics are concerned. The only plus point is the Lowlight.


At that price - a few years ago still inconceivable. The Mark 2, if for Videocam expanded / rebuilt, it has in any case very much potential. Let's see what comes in the future? (such as the Mark 2 is developed next)



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

I think Canon is quite fast with a firmware update after the main set and points correct. If the first part then 24/25p may perhaps at half resolution 50p Still, all the parameters are accessible manual, then the worst is already done.

@ Axel: You have the issue with the top 10 clip is not answered. From what you talking about?

MB



Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:

There are synonymous reports that some models are hacks. (search engine)



Antwort von Axel:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
@ Axel: You have the issue with the top 10 clip is not answered. From what you talking about?


You said in connection with the frame rate and pans of Dr House, and that I had still in mind, because here very much with rumgespielt will focus shifts. But you're right, synonymous with Docus will increasingly focus on beautiful pictures made, and why not synonymous?

Is that so? Nikon optics, at least in manual, you can easily adapt to Canon? I did not know would be good, we just do not have five inexpensive Nikon lenses, and the second with the camera is actually not a bad idea. Photography does she still synonymous. Third camera, it should be hot. Since we are currently A1 share, it is arguably one of the EX will.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Axel" wrote:
You said in connection with the frame rate and pans of Dr House, and that I had still in mind, because here very much with rumgespielt will focus shifts. But you're right, synonymous with Docus will increasingly focus on beautiful pictures made, and why not synonymous?


I thought you're talking about a music video of the top 10 in the German charts is ?!?!?!?

Quote:
Is that so? Nikon optics, at least in manual, you can easily adapt to Canon? I did not know would be good, we just do not have five inexpensive Nikon lenses, and the second with the camera is actually not a bad idea. Photography does she still synonymous.


Is arguably even better option, because without Auflagenmaß sowas Lens and all true. Adapters available on eBay s.19 EUR stainless steel. Einfach mal "EOS adapter Nikon enter. Is there even with Focus - Lock for a few euros more, but you need not more so.

MB



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
... Gibts adapter on eBay s.19 EUR ...

Meanwhile, there are at least in stores synonymous for the G-Nikkore without aperture ring special EOS adapter, s.denen the Aperture manual can be changed.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Bernd E." wrote:
"Marc ball home" wrote:
... Gibts adapter on eBay s.19 EUR ...

Meanwhile, there are at least in stores synonymous for the G-Nikkore without aperture ring special EOS adapter, s.denen the Aperture manual can be changed.


where? But not without a glass, right? Gibts coincidentally synonymous Nikon / Nikon adapter, so that newer lenses s.den the Aperture manual can provide?

MB



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Marc ball home" wrote:
... where? ...

One comes of a U.S. manufacturer, which I unfortunately omitted, the other is from Germany and of Zörk for example, Still Image Burner (www.alles-foto.de) under the Order 300120 to find. As in the online reference to this characteristic is missing, I quote from the printed catalog Brenner: "(...) When intelligent adapter of the Aperture Zörk can these G-types on a purely mechanical grip ring s.Adapters be adjusted. The adapter is made of stainless steel and high strength aluminum and kameraseitig black matte to avoid reflections. Nikkore All except G-PC and PC-E version with perspective correction may be used. "



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

Cool! Thank you! ... Nikon / Nikon? Gibts?




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