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Frage von Martin:


Hymns of praise with a little detail about the criticism of HV20 Camcorder Info. Whether the progressive mode in Europe is similarly spectacular failure?

Greeting
MG

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Antwort von Axel:

"Martin" wrote: Whether the progressive mode in Europe is similarly fails spectacularly

That I think. I quote from the above link: We found that the 24P mode also had the benefit of a producing a great look on finely textured surfaces like fabric. Shooting fast motion, like sports, however, would be better in 1080i

This election had not yet amateurs, unless they wanted to back to Super 8 It is synonymous no choice, the 1080i for the long term to decide, because sports is really the only example in which a better resolution synonymous aesthetic movement is an advantage.

The next generations of camcorders will be on a "p" mode can no longer ignore.

Then it will not be long until 50p (or 60p, to with the dösigen Skip synonymous though these television standards to dispose of contaminated site) as the most desirable feature prevails.

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Antwort von Martin:

"Axel" wrote: ... Sport is really the only example in which a better resolution synonymous aesthetic movement is an advantage.

True - but why do I need to 1080i? One can but, instead of every second field deinterlacer artificially calculated, as well, or - I am convinced - and better every second Vollbild artificially calculated to 1080/50p output.

Greeting
MG

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Antwort von Rain:

Exactly, I see the synonymous.
I will bring the moment of the 50i Canon HV10 at 50p with Bob deinterlacer (available in Media Player Classic and VLC) and am excited of the flowing motion resolution, which offers 50p.

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Antwort von Axel:

"Martin" wrote: True - but why do I need to 1080i? One can but, instead of every second field deinterlacer artificially calculated, as well, or - I am convinced - and better every second Vollbild artificially calculated to 1080/50p output.

"Rain" wrote: Exactly, I see the synonymous.
I will bring the moment of the 50i Canon HV10 at 50p with Bob deinterlacer (available in Media Player Classic and VLC) and am excited of the flowing motion resolution, which offers 50p.


@ Martin: What you need to 1080i? As the basis for Bob Rains method. The 50 motion phases must be there, of 25p to 50p, which does not work.

@ Rain: Is everything "i" is based, and the image resolution of her scales.

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Antwort von Rain:

"Axel" wrote: ...
@ Rain: Is everything "i" is based, and the image resolution of her scales.


Yes, the so-called dumb Bob vertical resolution is somewhat lost, but when Smoothdeinterlace of AviSynth plugin makes it very difficult, a loss of sharpness even while the movie to find.

If you go to 1280 x 720p runterskaliert ranges synonymous Bob completely dumb. :-)

Otherwise reached synonymous Camera really not the theoretically achievable resolution, 1440 x 1080 which would allow, so that the loss of sharpness deinterlacer with framerate doubling not visible to light occurs.

Moreover, the fact that the aspect ratio of HDV and the pixels with 1440 (instead of 1920 pixels) with low horizontal Resolutionein "surplus" s.vertikaler Resolutionbesteht at the deinterlacer "verbraten" can be, without the visual perception markedly deteriorate. The 50p-benefit is the greater profit.

DIY (Aus) proof of the pudding is the eating. :-)
If someone has a 50p camera has ... yes he can times the difference between "native 50p" and "Smart-50p Bob" post here, so that the visually impressive Preisunerschied times can be admired. ;-)

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Antwort von davi:

Can s.die HV20 actually connect an external camera? (Fingercam or Helmcam)
I have looked at times viewed the English manual, but I still can not quite clever mind. It should actually have an IP interface possible. (In the HV20 available) In the event it shall be synonymous but marked IN, is not it?

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Antwort von Nightfly!:

Moin moin!

What is it with the HV20 with noises from the drive?
Canon has since experience shows some problems (see HV10).

Gruß,
Nightfly!

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Antwort von biber65:

@ Nightfly:

themselves heard, for example, when video on eszm1.mov


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Antwort von hv20user:

The following question came to me after reading various tests and forum posts in:

The chip takes the HV20, so the claim of the manufacturer, with full HD quality (1920x1080) to be recorded on tape but after HDV - Standard (1440x1080).
What sense does such a "waste of pixels?

Furthermore, no 1440x1080 pixels 16:9. What do I get out because s.Ende s.PC?

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Antwort von Axel:

HDV is anamorphic, synonymous, most inter-frame compressed HD format. This is the standard HDV2. With the default "HDV" in the editing program will auto equalized. Whether the 25p of your specific software already supports it, should you check out.

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Antwort von Markus:

"hv20user" wrote: Furthermore, no 1440x1080 pixels 16:9.
With square pixels, but in the video are commonplace rectangular pixel (s): For 1080i / p are the pixels 1.33 x wider than high.

1.33 (333) 1440 = 1920

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Antwort von wolfgang:

"Martin" wrote:
True - but why do I need to 1080i? One can but, instead of every second field deinterlacer artificially calculated, as well, or - I am convinced - and better every second Vollbild artificially calculated to 1080/50p output.


You can certainly from 1080 50i to calculate synonymous 1080 50p - and is thus at least the motion resolution. But from 25p I would not want to do too much because of lack of motion resolution.

"Rain" wrote:
Otherwise reached synonymous Camera really not the theoretically achievable resolution, 1440 x 1080 which would allow, so that the loss of sharpness deinterlacer with framerate doubling not visible to light occurs.

Moreover, the fact that the aspect ratio of HDV and the pixels with 1440 (instead of 1920 pixels) with low horizontal Resolutionein "surplus" s.vertikaler Resolutionbesteht at the deinterlacer "verbraten" can be, without the visual perception markedly deteriorate. The 50p-benefit is the greater profit.


From 1440 pixels will only halt the PAR by a 16:9 format. Only you really believe that only by arithmetic addition of the missing half image quality of the recorded image will be 50p? Probably not. This makes sense only if you really like in 50p scans and records - such as the JVC HD200er series.

Ok, the reduction of horizontal Resolutionbei an interlaced format by the Kell-factor to approximately 800 lines with HDV2 can be obtained by the conversion, perhaps around here that would be probably the Hautpnutzen.

"hv20user" wrote: The chip takes the HV20, so the claim of the manufacturer, with full HD quality (1920x1080) to be recorded on tape but after HDV - Standard (1440x1080).
What sense does such a "waste of pixels?


However, this "Pixelveschwendung" has meaning, because a considerable reserve in the Picture Editing arises. Is similar when it was JVC PD1 - the only record in SD, but by a higher number of pixels a huge reserve for processing an SD PAL Picture can produce.

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