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Canon XL2 vs. Panasonic AVX100A

Canon XL2 vs. Panasonic AVX100A



Frage von R3D:
Juli 2006

Servus,

my question is this: Is it possible to identify between the Canon XL2 and the Panasonic one ACV100A favorites - or not this is possible) in terms of image quality, viewfinder, Lens, handling, etc. (overall impression?

Red



Antwort von deepcode:

I would prefer the DVX with an anamorphic always the XL2.
- Cinematic and "beautiful" pictures
- Lighter
- Much stronger light
- True progressive recording
- Retraces - Display

Benefits of the XL2:
- Exchangeable optics (but synonymous associated problems, such as Flange)
- Could be somewhat higher resolution, in practice the difference is not so great as you think because of the number of pixels.



Antwort von Markus:

"deepcode" wrote:
... (but synonymous associated problems, such as Flange) ...

Can adjust the flange-like the XL1 (s) does not return the user? In optics a must! * * kopfschüttel








Antwort von deepcode:

if I do not know - is supposed to always be problems with it.

Understand not wrong - the XL2 is an excellent camera, the look is synonymous incomparable "sexy", and makes the customer feel so easy.
But here synonymous Contra - 20x zoom with the Cam weighs nearly 4kg and is totally Kopflastig, that is the part you have to rig and dranbauen extra batteries, etc. to offset -> then a total of more than 5 kg and extras, "to get it working a while ..

But what is really super: 35mm adapter can be cultivated directly without Zwischenoptik.



Antwort von R3D:

Moin

I've heard that with the Panasonic DVX100A has some famous movies, or even a movie was produced - you is a tolls. known? Furthermore, the World Cup is so synonymous with documentary ner DVX100A rotated (was ^ ^)!

I have now tested the Canon times two days and was really excited by the handling. The weight, I'll give you quite a long time is not so dolle, the true 16:9 contrast top, and the fine adjustment of the zoom synonymous a plus (which is synonymous DVX?)!

# 2 You said that the DVX with one anarmorphoten makes more sense, is harder to adjust the 35mm adapter than the xl2 - and Progressive can XL2 but synonymous, or not?

-> By the way: If I make a video portrait of a sports club - and wants to make sports photography there is interlaced (50i) or progressive (25p) of advantage to get the final product a good impression? - For I heard shooting sports, never in Progressive, which is correct - what can happen there?

Red



Antwort von deepcode:

The s.was comes on it for a "look" you want.
The movement resolution of 50i is better than 25p, so sports and news will be recorded, preferably interlaced. Is halt the typical video / news / reality look.
Storytelling other hand, lives synonymous of the abstraction of the image - this includes film, colors and gamma, low DOF about the perception in the picture to draw and just synonymous in contrast to the reality of change movements through progressive recording.
This tells the viewer just "here is a story."
Lavish with film documentaries elements are now also flmisch / progressive record - with high value, expensive look.

The XL2 is the latest information, no real progressive - Camera, uses a special high-quality de-interlacing, as the large H1 synonymous. That could explain why the sharpness synonymous, despite the high pixel count of the chip is not much better than the relatively "pixelschwache" DVX, which is essential for stronger light, because no preference how well a deinterlacer works - to flickering, alias effects and step edges he must avoid, always under the theoretically possible Resolutionbleiben (averaging)

And have been with the DVX-four films rotated, many of them synonymous commercially quite successful.

If you move you anyway in the pricing area> 3000 EUR wondering whether or not the JVC HD100 would be - which offers very high image definition, 720p, 16:9, HDV capture, Exchangeable optics, real pprogressive and good light sensitivity. Seen for 4500 EUR in Ebay.



Antwort von R3D:

Thank you for the quick response! - I'll tolls. try to borrow the JVC - but HDV Camera, HDV, or does this requirement can synonymous standard PAL resolution? - Both ... - For HDV, so I do not really trust what I have heard and read so far ... I will try it out!

-> Back to progressive or interlaced. So it is really no preference which of the two synonymous, and I can do nothing broken, do you think, if I progressive films (Sports) - because you're right, the video will look either consciously or one does everything to avoid him, and I would pursue it as synonymous to suppress - that is progressive, right? (Request for a confirmatory YES!)
It only remains an open question whether I'm going with the Panasonic or with the XL2 s.den Start ...

(Progressive and interlaced images should not be preferable to use the same project, or is this possible, namely, have quite a few 50i (interlaced) pictures! Made-yesterday ...

Actually> Occurs when deinterlacing a quality loss?

>>> WAITING FOR RESPONSE <<<

Red



Antwort von deepcode:

"R3D" wrote:
Thank you for the quick response! - I'll tolls. try to borrow the JVC - but HDV Camera, HDV, or does this requirement can synonymous standard PAL resolution? - Both ... - For HDV, so I do not really trust what I have heard and read so far ... I will try it out!

-> Back to progressive or interlaced. So it is really no preference which of the two synonymous, and I can do nothing broken, do you think, if I progressive films (Sports) - because you're right, the video will look either consciously or one does everything to avoid him, and I would pursue it as synonymous to suppress - that is progressive, right? (Request for a confirmatory YES!)


yes! ;-)

Quote:

It only remains an open question whether I'm going with the Panasonic or with the XL2 s.den Start ...

(Progressive and interlaced images should not be preferable to use the same project, or is this possible, namely, have quite a few 50i (interlaced) pictures! Made-yesterday ...

Actually> Occurs when deinterlacing a quality loss?



Deinterlacing is always a certain loss of quality with him.
Of course you can use deinterlacetes material with genuine progressive together when the colors and the gamma are aligned and homogeneously affects the whole.

HDV: Of course not, the yellow of an egg, just as DV. HDV is clearly better than DV, you let the hair-splitting of which is operated in the forums do not confuse you. HDV is not a true HD, but it gives you much more reserve than enough for DV and in practice for very good 720p.
Again, the XL2 is a very good camera. I would reach into the league but then tend to JVC. If you are looking for a camera for the (almost) perfect film look, take the long-standing DVX.
If you want to shoot with a 35mm adapter, take the DVX, the higher Resolutionvon HDV, exhausted by the adapter is no longer any case, since the images are softer through the ground glass. Important here is the highest sensitivity of the camera, because the adapter to swallow a lot of light.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Both one day and try it! Comes strongly to the purpose, what exactly do you want? The camera must be easy to you and fit your way of working. So both borrow and test. Personally, I would use the DVX for Rung & Gun Work, for short documentaries, just a handheld camera and so. Or perhaps Scenic. The Picture is great for both applications. Just documentaries benefit m. M. to heavily on the "look" of the DVX / HVX. With large stage, you can shoot the cool look even more beautiful capture ... That's why it's great. If you want to do sports photography and need ne Schuler PAL camera, take better what with large chips and super-intelligent handling, such as the JVC GY-5 (1) 00 or whatever the number of DVCAM Sonywith least 1 / 2 "chips. Everything else annoying Vorrausgesetzt for EB and Event stuff after ten minutes on the shoulder. It may be synonymous Buy safely used. a reputable seller.

Otherwise -> Search. DVX vs.. XL2 is not new. In dvinfo dv.com or there was a GIANT comparison.



Antwort von Jan:

"R3D" wrote:
Furthermore, the World Cup is so synonymous with documentary ner DVX100A rotated (was ^ ^)!

Red


Yes you have seen the synonymous (Premiere) had after the match for 3rd place in the hands Klinsmann ne Pana looked suspiciously like DVX 100, but could have been synonymous HVX 200, whether ARD and ZDF is draufgeblieben so long I do not know. Weiss someone more?

LG
Jan



Antwort von PowerMac:

HVX200.



Antwort von R3D:

HDV, then doing it right!

>>> http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/2006/05/twenty-third-letter-scene-10.html

-> Such recordings and I would be happy!
Nen some reviews are synonymous few clicks nen "next ...

Red








Antwort von stonee:

Hi,

not Klinsi has filmed ... The Sonke's it!
He has the Klinsi then pressed the camera in his hand briefly to his own time's coming on tape.

Was, in my opinion, but the DVX100!

If I'm wrong then please explain to me why one time s.einer HVX200 mounted the hood of the DVX100?

This could, however, continue the discussion on HD:
Why not HVX200 and XL-HD1 (apart) from the handling / top-heaviness.

And something else for the World Cup. Did I see correctly that as someone with nem monopod is running around and the top of our guys have filmed? For me, it looked at two adjacent mounted HC-1?!?

Greeting
stonee



Antwort von superflow:

Quote:
Why not HVX200 and XL-HD1 (apart) from the handling / top-heaviness.


Because instead of HDV, DVC PRO HD ...

ie four times the data rate, 4:2:2 sampling, instead of intra-interframe compression

In other words, fewer artifacts, higher color resolution, better and less susceptible to dropouts editability

Thanks to P2 can be totally free (between professional SD and HD formats, variable frame rates!) And choose to belong to any Bandaufzeichung associated with the annoyance of the past. Or if it's popular again interject a MiniDV.

Your Panasonic Marketing Service.

... no, seriously - I think this is the first truly thoughtful HD solution in this market segment and finally a serious step forward in image quality. If only time that the cards with capacities and prices come verbraucherfeundlichere regions.

Regards,
Flo



Antwort von deepcode:

The HVX I did not realize earlier, because IMO it's about solutions to approximately EUR 4000.
The cheapest HVX is approximately 5500 EUR, only to seriously work with it you'll need at least 2 8 GByte modules that are still astronomically expensive with about EUR 3500 (!) For a total of 40 minutes recording in best quality. Or about 2000 euros for a P2 drive solution, if there ever had to exist.
For a documentary - the filmmaker Camera IMO is totally inappropriate, unless you draw next stop again just on DV tape, but I do not need to spend so much money.
Had Panasonic also allows for HDV tape recording, that would be the absolutely brilliant Cam, it's just a vapid attempt to people about overpriced P2 cards draw a lot of money out of your pocket.
Furthermore, the sensitivity is worse than the DVX, since the sensors have more pixels, the technical Resolutionist of all HD - Watched this class again s.niedrigsten. The images, however, look excellent, with plenty of money for such film is the HVX unbeatable. Also, the compression is significantly better quality than HDV.

XL-H1: I have not seen anything of this camera was able to convince me of the Picture aesthetics. The lens is almost lousy for so much money and has Chroma - aberration without end. Really only interesting for pixel count. EUR 9000 for the Canon is great IMO Burnt Money, then better a HVX and two P2 cards.

Alternative: modify DVX 100 with the "Andromeda" - system, so that the sensor data are recorded directly and uncompressed on hard drive and later converted to HD - pictures. Higher aperture size, uncompressed 4.4.4 - looks gorgeous, costs about 7000 EUR (Camera, modification,) recording system.
Sorry, not available for PAL - DVX, but should come
http://reel-stream.com/



Antwort von Jan:

"stonee" wrote:
Hi,

not Klinsi has filmed ... The Sonke's it!
He has the Klinsi then pressed the camera in his hand briefly to his own time's coming on tape.



The "Sonke" films with a DVX 100? Then the camera still be good for something, probably one of the best small "handheld"

LG
Jan



Antwort von R3D:

I can not myself decide Canon or Panasonic or HDV Cam ....

-> Canon shoulder Paper (+), controls (+), ...

-> Panasonic: Sensitivity (+), with 35mm Anamorphic & = best possible Cinelook (+)

-> HDV: future (+), quality (+)

... arr: (

Red



Antwort von Markus:

"R3D" wrote:
-> Canon shoulder essay (+),...

If a shoulder attachment for such a top-heavy camera really an advantage? ;-)



Antwort von dennyhbg:

I've just read that the Panasonic AVX100A has no true 16:9, but only at the top and bottom make a black border? Is this true?



Antwort von mentao:

& Why is not the XH A1 in this series?



Antwort von PowerMac:

Yes. But this is new for five years and then nothing.









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