Infoseite // Canon XLH 1 a / s vs. SonyPMW - EX 3



Frage von B.DeKid:


Hi
Yes I did again a sensible question s.euch.

As already mentioned in the past, I would like to spend money, and am due to the recently emerging format (HDV vs. HDCAM vs. XDCAM) once again not 100% sure.

So I've obviously already own all the data and compared'm still a Canon Meihnung the more my thing.

But since I am here so I had the opportunity to exchange with experts, I would like to use the opportunity of course.

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So with two models and has already worked on me a feedback on the handling / post-production format and want to, I would be all very grateful.

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Material must not be sendetauglich.
The camera should be the size / weight of the Canon XL series are similar.
A removable lens is absolutely desirable. Currently yes, I tend to XL and H is the right HD Lens WW.

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I am aware that as a question of faith vs. Canon war. Nikon is in photography. Would like but for my money the best possible product.
I apologize for the "I" synonymous in my last thread vs. XLH. S270 is not received on the EX3 am.

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Thanks for your time and advice regarding my question and your experiences and suggestions in advance.

MfG
B. DeKid

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Antwort von domain:

In my view, are already major differences between the old and the A1 HDV EX1 / 3
However, it is not necessarily only s.der apparent visual sharpness of the undisputed good shots down the A1 because it is rather on the measurable dynamic range of matters and that's never been a strength ofCanongewesen.

As a photographer you can see just spontaneously improved significantly, while softer and sharper the better recording quality synonymous Optics and the benefits of the larger sensor and also is in the EX1 uses mpeg2 material classes at times better than what we previously were used as synonymous example of the FX1.

None shall I tell that it is not synonymous with mpeg2 now a bemerkenstwert positive development has been the EX1 as very clearly from the GZ-HD40 JVC consumer camcorder is different, with owohl of about 30 Mbs and 1920 Full-HD not too removed much of the EX1 seems.
However, this is a different world and the EX1 is still rather s.untersten end professional cameras located

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Antwort von B.DeKid:

Gude

So you think that is the CMOS better than the CCD s dissolution.

Also you say is the MPEG format better than the AVI.

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I would now think the AVI seems to be quite better than the MPEG2 format. Also I was assuming the CCD synonymous if smaller than a CMOS chip may be "better" or sufficient.

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Thank you for rating
MfG
B. DeKid

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Antwort von Bernd E.:

"domain" wrote: ... In my view, are already major differences between the old and the A1 HDV EX1 / 3 ..
If this opinion on the XH-A1 as easily transferable to the XL-H1a / s, after the demand was here?

"B. DeKid" wrote: ... now would have thought the AVI but certainly better than the MPEG2 format ... nor did I expect synonymous if the CCD is smaller than a CMOS chip may be "better" and was sufficient ...
All of the previously mentioned MPEG2 camcorder take on a single CMOS sensor has None of them, be honest, I am now somewhat confused, what cameras are all about?

Gruß Bernd E.

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Antwort von domain:

CCD I have a year ago as positive eigeschätzt.
Meanwhile, the development of CMOS and now synonymous with us from the rather unknown MOS so advanced that CCD only in very low-cost and highly specialized applications have a chance of survival appears to have

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Antwort von B.DeKid:

@ Bernd

Oh sorry yes the EX3 has yes 3 CMOS chips.

And I thought because since MPEG2 is in the description and the description of the Canon HDV ..... we would have AVI vs. MPEG material as a result.

Since you already said, the times you never correct yourself with the XL series friends did, I think the times you for EX 3 pledieren would not it?

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@ domain

Yes I think the CMOS synonymous a certain aspect can be, so I wonder why after.
Qual supply provides both cameras because I do not every year sollche expenses can now times have I asked.

Although I am personally very great friend of Canon products am - Sony is not from the eye to allow the price segment.

Priced tu'en seen both models are not much.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS. Which Lens is for WW Sonyden to recommend?
The Fujinon S13x4.6B perhaps? Or a HS16x4.6BERM?
Who can I be differences or recommendations.
And about when can / should these Lenses s.besten in Germany?

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Antwort von r.p.television:

First ask yourself what purpose you want to use the Camera.
In animal recordings, where you usually need a good telephoto, I would prefer the XL H1, because they are supplied with the proper focal Standardobjetkiv already provides.
But I think rather that despite all the bugs and errors Ex3 now but the camera is better - synonymous if I own a XL H1 and XH A1 am. With a new purchase, I would probably synonymous rather a select EX3.
You need the Camera, however, after the purchase at all of the features thorough, because Sony currently has a quality problem.

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Antwort von B.DeKid:

"rptelevision" wrote: ..... for what purposes you want to use the camera ......
...... a good telephoto needs, I would prefer the XL H1, ...... despite all the bugs and errors Ex3 now but the Camera is better ..... XL H1 and XH A1 .......... You need the Camera, however, after buying all the features thorough, because Sony currently experiencing quality problem.


I remember with the camera (no preference whether XL H or EX) smaller projects to realize that I simply downfall. Also I will probably your orders with the film itself as shown. They should be in accordance with the specifications, to cope with the tasks. In the past, so I worked with the XL1S, but is currently holding ever after "HD" material demand. This is the basic idea in my stuff again VideoEquitment into something "new" to invest.

Yes teleconference feature of the XL, you can really only speak possitiv. Even the use of adapter and EF L IS lenses are concerned, one can only say good. This experience has given me with under s.besten s.der always liked Canon. So what the Lenses of the company Canon is concerned, I've only possitive experience. (Even if something was broken, it was immediately exchanged / repaired)

Please go look at the "bugs" the closer a Camera. Before chen be "bugs" that I've remembered.
What the "new" on the market does not always synonymous to the best you can buy at the moment. Is with me always as a thing of thought regarding the "new" Erungenschaften.

Yes this would give me Kombi synonymous downfall, I think the man with this team is absolutely right about the use and the compatibility of the material is concerned. The XH A1 still a removable lens and Canon would have missed so real opportunities Sonyin the price segment of the 2nd place to them.

Where / How can / should be the Camera Meihnung after your test.
Please explain this in reference to the above mentioned bugs a little.
My "confidence" in flash-based photography is still very shaky.

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What does WoWu about CCD vs. CMOS?

I think the CCD s incorporated in the Canon are likely to appear on the "last" stand, or?

After the successor to the XL H1 is not synonymous AVCHD and not flash memory or CMOS got gifts. I myself had such a feeling that Canon had not yet, and may still have some "try" wanted before you in the usual quality chen with a target device on the market pull.

Do you you have to / can the CMOS setting of Sony?
Also what the recording modes are concerned, the clear front EX3 yes.
Do you think this is at the moment as "the way to go"?
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You see it really is not an easy decision or not an easy decision from my position.
Thanks s.allen me slightly here to help decision making, I do appreciate this.

MfG
B. DeKid

What I find nice s.der EX3 is the S / W Viewfinder option sowas Canon offers only as an expensive extra for.

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Antwort von r.p.television:

The CMOS sensors are the same as the EX3 all CMOS sensors with rolling shutter the known problems such as crooked picture on pans or partial exposure fields in flash / strobe. A global shutter would be better, but I still believe in none of the camcorder used. Since I very much events filme, that fact along with other still a problem which has kept me from my Canon with a Sony duo exchanged.
The EX3 of the bugs are not completely transferable to the EX1. Because the EX1 an extreme scattering series, you can sadly no longer say about what makes a bug or a manufacturing error.
But generally you should be careful to: vignetting, blur partielle s.Zoomfaktor 8 (probably have some models), the rough one-or Auspoppen CA after zoom, the battery is discharged within three days of, etc etc.
I have a problem synonymous with the complete filebasierten recording format on the SxS cards. Have synonymous quite a lot about corrupt files in succession with a complete loss of data belongs. This can not happen at the tape. Especially since the final archiving synonymous question has not been resolved. Hard disks are now cheap, but you should at the same time on three plates archive to reasonably secure.

There are a lot of experience in the forum. Just search EX1.
To EX3, there's not much experience reports. Supposedly, the problem with the emptying of the Batteries and the outgoing and incoming correspondence quickly resolved. More I do not know.
Kuck, in any case look at the trunk's Page www.fxsupport.de
There is an extensive test of the Ex1 - synonymous in Comparison to the XH A1.

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Antwort von B.DeKid:

Thanks for the tip. Will I make.

With the recording on cards I've synonymous my most concern.

tape is just awesome because after capturing it in the cupboard just wanders. (And just after the cut again to a new tape is stored.) The tape synonymous moving the mechanics among others pollute may therefore comes with, etc., is the return of the medals Page.

MfG
B. DeKid

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Antwort von weitwinkel:

in video meetingPlace EX1 was long and widely discussed:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=3812&page=74
gruß cj

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Antwort von B.DeKid:

Jupp it is

74 pages bedtime reading ;-)
Thanks weitwinkel werd ich mal by forest.

MfG
B. DeKid

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