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Chorkonzert filmen #2

Choir concert film # 2



Frage von Tristan:
Mai 2007

Hi @ all,
I hope you can send me again a little help. As with the last issue of me about the concert and I will film here again about synonymous. Yes s.Sonntag is the big day. I say again a few quick facts. It is a choral concert at the 30-year anniversary of the Girls Choir of Wernigerode and Wernigerode Youth Radio is to be synonymous. A total of 600 men as expected. Yes and yes I film the concert with free Cams -> SonyDCR TRV 50, Canon XM2 and SonyHDR FX 1st Yes again to the positions of the cams and their tasks.
1. SonyDCR TRV 50 -> close-ups and details so synonymous audience s.der stage
2. Canon XM2 -> shot and sound recording -> is in the fourth row in the middle of the audience (there are chairs away so that place is)
3. SonyHDR FX1 is so synonymous detail shots, but rather with more people and yet it is right beside the stage so behind

Yes and yes now it is a jubilee I want to do interviews with a few actors and singers such as choirmaster and gegf. yet the audience and I need someone, but still a few questions just so pure really good fit. If you have a few I would be very pleased.

Thanks already in advance
Tristan



Antwort von Sascha:

Hello Tristan,

from your camera choice I understand that the final product in SD resolution (720x576 pixels) will be available. For this reason, I would for the FX 1 and take the shot in HDV list. The Canon would I use to take detailed pictures. Advantage: You can later in the post production of the HDV - Picture of the FX 1 (Total) any cutout in your SD format and thereby generate more diverse settings. I've never even made, but it seems to me logical.
The sound anyway, I would again record external (s.Hauptmischer tap if there is something there). The FX 1 itself did synonymous manual Tonaussteuerung and is hardly in accordance with the Canon stand, although it is probably at the Canon both channels separate levels, which in the Sony is not possible.
At such an event, I would never work without parallel recording. Emergency you need to stop themselves mikrofonieren.
A few concerns I had about the different cameras. It is not easy in processing color and in brightness or contrast level. Mach necessarily predict White Balance.
The fact that you can go through the cameras should be expected from other threads you already know.

Good luck!

Frank



Antwort von Sascha:

"Tristan" wrote:

1. SonyDCR TRV 50 -> close-ups and details so synonymous audience s.der stage
2. Canon XM2 -> shot and sound recording -> is in the fourth row in the middle of the audience (there are chairs away so that place is)
3. SonyHDR FX1 is so synonymous detail shots, but rather with more people and yet it is right beside the stage so behind


I can not say much more but basically the constellation is quite good. I can just advise you to try so many perspectives as there are an infinite number of creative possibilities.

For Canon (Total): the camera has to be on the spectators heads, and it would be very good if you see the stage floor, so maybe on a podium place. Just as in the 1st FX A few heads not hurt, and finally the audience is part of the event, but they should not ruin Picture.

More spontaneous, I can not say otherwise, I wish you much success.
Ah yes, good mics never hurt. It belongs to the good sound ....

Greeting
Martin





Antwort von Frank B.:

The contribution is of me. I'm already a few times despite login again and kicked out just as a guest has been registered. Funny!

Frank B.



Antwort von Tristan:

Actually I did not want to record in HDV and I will not necessarily rumexperimentieren if you can call it so, because not every song is sung twice.



Antwort von Frank B.:

"Tristan" wrote:
Actually I did not want to record in HDV and I will not necessarily rumexperimentieren if you can call it so, because not every song is sung twice.


That has nothing to do with experimenting. The HDV - signal when needed, you can always runterkonvertieren. The FX 1 converts it to you in real time even in a DV signal, if you want. The image quality, according to various tests in order to be better than if you directly into DV aufnimmst. Offer but no reserves!

Frank



Antwort von Tristan:

Well, I should then with the mini-DV record or what's next? Naja hab only the problem that is not my cam and I even did a mini Dv and so everything needs to aufm PC.



Antwort von Frank B.:

"Tristan" wrote:
Well, I should then with the mini-DV record or what's next? Naja hab only the problem that is not my cam and I even did a mini Dv and so everything needs to aufm PC.


I would include in HDV and then referred to this need in the editing software in SD format will (DV or MPG2 in 720x576 pixels). That you can by circumcision and by scaling down or achieve expected. The other two cams so you have no choice. The cars take in DV on. The final product can be so only in standard definition makes sense. With the recording of HDV FX1 will you flexible in the post.
If the FX 1 is not belongs to you and film you do not have experience with it, is perhaps even more reason with her shot record.
It rustled them only once you properly at the beginning of the concert set and then go through it. This prevents any Fehleinstellungen and recordings, as this camera is so easy to select. The best would be the owner of the Cam would be there with them and serve.

Frank



Antwort von Jan:

Your editors will be happy in any case, more work is very difficult.
The models are fundamentally different.

At the Canon XM DM 2, your best man, Auto Focus is not in for such a light (pump), Exposure: Shutter 1 / 50 sec, Aperture F 1,6 probably open and gain (depending on the light - I know it not), you can get by Zebra (over-exposure control) to compare whether one is in the green area (no & Straffierungen few and then only when in very bright clothing (IRE 70). The Spotlight feature in mind when people überstrahlt wenns occurs. White Never Auto Balance at Canon (rotstich), Kunstlicheinstellung test, otherwise do manually.

FX 1 you can in an emergency (it makes it not really) to AF & 1 / 50, auto hide, then for amateur claims a usable picture. Sonyist quite strongly with the Auto Focus, except it is too foggy and too much red and blue light. WAG artificial fits Sony Very often (compare or make a manual).

TRV 50, is a long time ago (teaching), has a manual shutter, I now do not necessarily WAG but check WAG car will not go.

Before rehearsing important, so you have no professional or since?
everyone has a camera in the bedroom do.

Important excerpt & Western practice shot, Nahe.
Groups of people rausnehmen 2er 3er depending on the picture feeling.





Antwort von Platinum:

Nen's not digging. Well so should I then SonyFX 1 for the total take? Is the recording of the audio better? The Post make myself with Premier 2.0 and After Effect. The SonyFX 1, but then I am synonymous with Mini DV or operate? And until now I had no problems yet synonymous with the DCR TRV 50 of the colors WA car and was always top. Yes the only way lighting effects will give garnicht iwie. So just the stage lighting.



Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:

Ever thought about whether the final product in 16:9 or 4:3 should be available?
With your camera should be set precisely on this, because of which depends crucially to the view of the picture cut from.
Greeting
KDS



Antwort von Tristan:

Actually yes 4:3 can Sonysynonymous or switch to 4:3, the only 16:9 at



Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:

The SonyFX 1 may be in DV mode synonymous switch to 4:3.
Greeting
KDS



Antwort von Tristan:

Oh then I am really happy now I am really a stone fallen from the heart. Otherwise I would have again a great problem.
So all three should be yes camcorder to 4:3 in the mini DV format or? How do I set the Sonyauf 4:3 to get them s.Freitag.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Tristan" wrote:
How do I set the Sonyauf 4:3 to get them s.Freitag.

Until then you can still sometimes read the manual:

www.sonydigital-link.com/DIME/camcorders/DVH/DVH.asp?l=de&m=HDR-FX1E

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Jan:

Respect, your movie is a big challenge, I know a few camera men are SO 3 models are fundamentally different. But you can do it anyway?

4:3 switch is not so hard, first in the menu of HDV to DV, then TV format 16:9 to 4:3 - at least it is in the FX 7 Sun.

With the XM 2 that both channels separately disqualify, but I was very often a bad sound, you could say it is not good-natured and sensitive, a little too much and it takes you very quickly amiss. Sony Makes better, I think. Headphones do not forget!

What's always the question with Mini DV - 1 has the FX only! a MiniDV shaft, the FX 7 or photos to a Memory Stick Pro Duo slot. DV cassettes are a bit big ......

Maybe you're lucky with the WAG, where I was last a family celebration with a camera of my uncle (SonyDCR PC 120) was an intolerable Rotstich it, it was synonymous with tungsten preset WAG not better, I really had a white sheet rauskramen & care.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Tristan:

If you think I am now the Sony or the Canon take for audio recording?



Antwort von Tristan:

What now of the two?



Antwort von Platinum:

Quote:
If you think I am now the Sony or the Canon take for the audio recording


Neither, if you want to make halfway clever, then accept separately of the cameras on.
Get microphones and directed accordingly, take it on PC, DAT, CD ... which is synonymous always on and then use the sound in your video.



Antwort von Peter2003:

and then have fun with synchronized.

I would take the Cam, which after the most detail. Then you have less problems with sync. Eighth thing but that Cam synonymous always nice passes.

Greeting
Peter



Antwort von Tristan:

Well there is a break after so its half hour and since then I change the cassettes. Well trouble syncing and it will think I do not give simply because I do all the clips of the cameras on one video line pull at Adobe and then just always assume the cut I want. At the beginning of the recorded clips of course, once synchronized.



Antwort von Jan:

404ERR



Antwort von Falko:

You einrer Camera köntest with mixer tap, udn synonymous with an external recording device records, so you could be really good tmit synchronize the audio waveform. That would be good synonymous redundancy



Antwort von Tristan:

Well mixer does not exist, everything is sung without PA facility. Yes, the choir is quite loud and the camera, so the total SonyHDR the FX 1 is in the fourth row in the middle of maybe 6-8 meters, it can still synonymous next imagine. Here is the link to the time plan. http://www.kik-wernigerode.de/_KiK_-WERNIGERODE/Infos_uber_uns/Bestuhlung/690_Platze/690_platze.html



Antwort von Tristan:

And a picture of Hall http://www.kik-wernigerode.de/Saalpanorama-web03.jpg



Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:

Ganz nah ran synonymous is not good, then it sounds too dry and will hire overridden. A certain Hall should already be there, then the chorus sounds much better.
In the audience are obviously brings the drawback of each chat with cough and incorporated. And believe me from years of recording experience: the nation is totally undisciplined and inconsiderate!
But when the chorus loud enough to play not so much the role. When Pianissimo already in the classical concert.

Greeting
KDS



Antwort von Tristan:

404ERR



Antwort von christopher:

As you synchronisierst the cameras? Flash? Flap? And after the band shift again? Ich hab mal in a Multicamprojekt with different cameras White Balance forget, hope you do not happen. WA already has been mentioned several times, but is synonymous really important: Saves you hours at the laaange Color correction!



Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:

The noise of the can Headphones Electronics Camcorders come in and must not automatically be on the tape (sample recording). However, there were some Sony models actually problems with the manual audio control, it swept more than automatic.

If the sound is not too loud (and too quiet), the automatic audio control likely. However, it should be the volume level of the choir does not fluctuate too much, not completely silent with subsequent passages read. The pumps can be used for the automatic or synonymous times shortly lead to over-control.

Is better in any case the manual audio control. Maybe look at the final rehearsal identify the necessary set!

Greeting
KDS



Antwort von Tristan:

Synchroniesieren audio from her, I wait until the first sound comes and then I imagine they are all equal then the videos. How is that now with the noise? War I is still iwie away or how?



Antwort von Tristan:

If I sound now but the manual will make a loud noise logically synonymous louder. Is it synonymous aufm tape or what?



Antwort von christopher:

The best: Play!



Antwort von schnuffelkalli:

Hi,
when you come into HDV films, as recommended here, remember that the tapes to run faster and thus not as much material as could be SD. This is especially stupid when the camera without stand cameraman synonymous nor absorbs and absorbs the sound and the chorus still makes an encore.

Greeting
Fred



Antwort von Frank B.:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Hi,
when you come into HDV films, as recommended here, remember that the tapes to run faster and thus not as much material as could be SD.
Greeting
Fred


Hi Fred,
this is probably not correct. HDV is running as fast as DV (SD), because it has the same data rate.

Frank



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Anonymous" wrote:
when you come into HDV film ... remember that the tapes to run faster and thus not as much material as could be SD.

That probably would confuse you with DVCAM. A 60-minute tape takes both DV - as synonymous in the HDV format on 60 minutes.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Tristan:

Yes concert was yesterday and am synonymous with the recordings for peace. Only once had a cam is a problem, there was at once the blurry picture really do not know if her three-D effect at Adobe knows something like that but only really just so much it was but then again after 2 minutes to happiness. Once again thank you for all tips and help of you. Will start today with cutting but first of all, almost 7 hours to include with the PC which was filmed XD.



Antwort von Jan:

That sounds like the Canon Auto Focus, was in my first XM 2
Interior Anders not synonymous, but can be synonymous Sony & Pana happen. Since the Tristan but not the AutoFocus tempered?
MF MF MF

Schön das du hast done it!

VG
Jan



Antwort von Tristan:

Ne had then, after all, two Sony camcorders made synonymous both in the car but with Focus and manual white balance. But then came the one that briefly ma scheiß naja disorder was solls. Sound quality is also synonymous with only the normal Mikros SonyDSR the pd 170 and the sony dcr vx 2000 very well. Did the cam for the shot on a table was still possible then around 3m Height XD and this is certainly synonymous less noise.




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