Infoseite // Codec question DVPAL Uncompressed =?



Frage von stunned:


've Uncompressed Quicktime files (at least I was promised Uncompressed Quicktime) ... premiere there as a file from the following info:

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Compressor = DV-PAL
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DV-PAL is not uncompressed? or I just get on the tube?

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"stunned" wrote: DV-PAL is not uncompressed? or I just get on the tube?
Absolutely not. But that confused some people here synonymous ...
-> Search

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Antwort von Noctua:

.... Shows again that the cheap Super8 Digitizing services are not just the best ..... * Keuch heul * * * * * Fauchè
Experimented in vain all night .....

Thanks for the quick reply! Could using the search function to quickly find nothing ..

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Anonymous" wrote: .... Shows again that the cheap Super8 Digitizing services are not just the best .....
Even if the words "uncompressed" was wrong - DV is a very subtle data-reduced codec. In a Super8 transfer, the differences in the quality scan. From 'nem white board or screen shot looks worse than' ne Flying Spot Scanning (if you still get and pay for).

In other words, if the picture quality is okay, because I would like to have the DV codecs do not worry ...

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Antwort von Noctua:

"Quadruplex" wrote:
DV is a very subtle data-reduced codec.


Ouch, so much Stuss s.frühen morning.

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Anonymous" wrote: Ouch, so much Stuss s.frühen morning.
Documents?

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Antwort von Noctua:

"Quadruplex" wrote:
Documents?


The question could you make synonymous ... DV has a much lower data rate than uncompressed, complained of what ... eidenen Farbsampling especially in progressive pictures to take time comes apart.

Schön blöd who paid uncompressed and DV at the same price accepted.

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Anonymous" wrote: DV has a much lower data rate than uncompressed
I have never claimed, DV is lossless. The assessment of how much data reduction is probably dependent of the perspective from: For a professional who works with Digibeta (4:2:2 / 2:1-data reduction) may be 4:2:0 / 5:1 already be heavily . Comparison to the whole DVD or MPEG-4-Zoo is the DV s.wenigsten data reduced format.

"Anonymous" wrote: complained of ... eidenen Farbsampling which especially for progressive pictures to take time comes apart.
You can not synonymous for a reduced data signal a color sub-sampling it. One did not necessarily with the other what to do.
"Anonymous" wrote: Schön blöd who paid uncompressed and DV at the same price accepted.
The origin questioner said yes, that the whole thing was rather cheap.

In addition, I can only repeat my assertion: If 'is its film scanning equipment to's on - flickering, jerky images with a bright spot in the middle of the projection lamp to see synonymous uncompressed modest.

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Antwort von Noctua:

The Farbsampling of 4:2:0 DV-PAL is progressive film content for the worst possible format and leads to hard color to Stair s.den Farbkanten ... when I am in the fall for Uncompressed paid and PAL-DV can then halt renewed or there is the coal back (although I presume that the "sampling" anyway directly via a DV converter and ran no better Quality exists).

And the argument "it was so cheap" I think is synonymous fell. If someone thinks he can be a service at the price properly then you can because I believe it is synonymous.

Fortunately, I have property rights protection, I had been synonymous with so "Vollprofis" to do with the professional services advertised, impressive references and projects and was behind such a Hobbyvideoknilch the one on thick trousers made and by the lack of professional work projects has jeopardized.

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Antwort von Noctua:

With the uncompressed synonymous but I would look at the carpet to stay.
What should be transported as 4:4:4? At D5, 10-bit linear?
In order not to be misunderstood ... what uncompressed is fine .... where it belongs!

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Antwort von Noctua:

"Anonymous" wrote: With the uncompressed synonymous but I would look at the carpet to stay.
What should be transported as 4:4:4? At D5, 10-bit linear?
In order not to be misunderstood ... what uncompressed is fine .... where it belongs!


It has what no one said that it must be uncompressed RGB, but with native uncompressed YUV 4:2:2 sampling, you can already expect if you paid for uncompressed.

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Antwort von Noctua:

What tape format?

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Antwort von Noctua:

Now comes equally determined that Digital Betacam synonymous 2,3:1 compression;)

Yes, but with 4:2:2 Farbsampling and that is the biggest shortcoming for PAL-DV with 4:2:0 Farbsampling (as opposed to NTSC DV 4:1:1 sampling where the not so strong artifacts created).

And usually synonymous delivery on an uncompressed hard drive or DVDs (for short sequences) would come into question.

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Antwort von robbie:

it's like putting a garage at home für nen golf, but to NEN Semi buys ...

Now in all honesty ... what you need uncompressed, if you are not in the broadcast market works?

do you recognize the difference between DV and uncompressed on normal consumer devices?

DV would be at the prevailing recording variations in the home area (which the user otherwise had apparently not so before) is not enough eh?

than between uncompressed format of 8mm to dvd's with sledgehammer to crack a nut to shoot.

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Antwort von Bastian90:

Primary concerns the Farbsampling and progressive recording looks at the difference between 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 even a blind man.

Uncompressed need not necessarily for the consumer area, but when working with images is progressive, it should be at least a format that can 4:2:2 sampling.

And really the key question was synonymous what was agreed and what we actually got, and DV is uncompressed nunmal not.

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Anonymous" wrote: The Farbsampling of 4:2:0 DV-PAL is progressive film content for the worst possible format
Serious question: Why use it then just that when Blu-ray? Where this format at the beginning of progressive output s.vorgesehen is?

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Antwort von robbie:

DiesenWenn man den Artikel nur Oberflächlich liest, so kommt es einem sicherlich vor, dass 4:2:0 im progressiven Modus schlecht ist. Aber mal genau lesen, was da wirklich steht ;).

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Antwort von Bastian90:

Why should I use the Wikipedia article to read ... I know the subsampling artifacts sufficiently.

The whole can be synonymous like to add to that: The stairs are only (!) For DV on the sample as negative points are set, MPEG-2 with 4:2:0 subsampling the result looks more like the 4:1:1 sampling of NTSC out.

As the Wikipedia article only sample images with a Field, the show is not as being synonymous.

Anyone who still does not believe he is happy to be invited in an editing program such as red text on a white background to create this and then uncompressed, PAL DV NTSC DV and MPEG-2 export and then to compare.

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Antwort von robbie:

times now, I'm confused ... are you, "guest", the thread starter "stunned"?

red text on a white background, even as the whole movie, yes, certainly one of the most common applications ... : P

ensure that such pictures are rather unfortunate, that's true ...
than to ask all the question remains, however, still remains as to whether it is essential of a film scanning an uncompressed file have to want to or not. well it depends entirely on use. This comes 8mm tape to dvd, dv is probably clear enough. because as you yourself say, mpeg2-4:2:0 can almost compare with 4:1:1 ...

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Antwort von Bastian90:

I'm not the thread starter, but as already written above it is a question of whether garnicht DV is sufficient or not but whether you got what was promised.

To me a Digibeta is promised and I only get an SP, there's synonymous Mecker, whole no preference whether the material to me synonymous compromises of SP could be used.

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Antwort von robbie:

na, then I would look associated with the record company ...

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Antwort von Bastian90:

"robbie" wrote: na, then I would look associated with the record company ...

My question;)

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