Newsmeldung von slashCAM:Hier geht es zur Newsmeldung: Colors like you know - Memory Colors
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Thanks for the report.
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Anyone who works with a lot of colors and textures, should get in any case Custome Made deal with color palettes.
For example: trees are not always green ;-)
If one has strapped times and has saved several pallets can be very good s.Hand of reference value to color photos, animations or movies ".
A well-calibrated monitor is obviously required.
(Synonymous to print an extra calibration device)
Data Color Spyder products are quite good, and to recommend.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Axel:
Maschwitz here spans the arch slightly. His Looks and the theory behind it, he now acts as dogmas.
Skin tones and grass we use as reference in order to assess whether the light has a sting?
Is that really true?
Is it in a bright, brash look, as are virtually all CC samples of Maschwitz overlook the gross manipulation?
Would I be denied under a special lamp warm tone green rotten meat as fresh? I have an inner color correction? Or not? I look objectively?
My brother used to repro-photographer, showed me the pressure of an old Milka advertising: Purple lilac paper to chocolate, mixed with the ink could be no natural brown. I did not understand what he meant until he danebenhielt a piece of real chocolate. Does this mean something?
My colleague is learning in the FH just color correction. He looked to the sample, a copy of Avatar and then claimed that the copy was a prick. A? Quite a lot. In Avatar,
there is no damn skin tones. The face always reflects something else. Blue computer displays, red lights, green palm trees. Obviously, with intent. Do the people unrealistic?
I'm a fan of Maschwitz. I will make sure that skin tones do not
accidentally get a stab. The one who makes the color correction, must be aware of how the spectrum works, and the "Memory Colors are" - for him - a useful starting point.
When it comes to the subliminal? When it comes to fidelity to nature? When it comes to appetite? The light brown coffee so coffee and for advertising. When it comes to professionalism?
Looks nice,
it sounds as though Maschwitz the history of art behind them.
Antwort von domain:
In principle, Maschwitz is right, there actually is some memory colors such as skin tones. This is especially true if you only see skin, eg in portraits, and no other evidence, so it has references.
This changes abruptly, however, when comes into play around with. The brain analyzes the generally prevailing spontaneously Lichtemperatur of seconds, a desk and makes automatic White Balance and then the "absolute" skin tones can look calmly synonymous quite different. It plays only the relation of skin tone colors to other known or suspected a role.
So the absolute "Execute" of specific areas of the image colors to certain memories, I think is exaggerated and in many cases is wrong.
Antwort von joey23:
This is especially true if you only see skin, eg in portraits, and no other evidence, so it has references. That's what he writes so synonymous;)
Antwort von domain:
Yes now that he mentioned in the context, and rightly so synonymous to "Same Color Illusion" from Wikipedia.
However, then follows the statement:
"Preserving skin tones is important ..." And while relatively independent of the lighting situation. The same recommendation, he cites synonymous for taxis in NY. So what now?
Is inconsistent, or have I misunderstood something?
When a man like sitting in front of a blue screen avatar, then this can Refexion light on his skin but no Pink Pig result :-)
Antwort von DWUA:
It sounds as though Maschwitz the history of art behind them. Projection?
;))
No. Of course not. Has None.
@ Domain
Dominikos Theotokopulos, the sake of simplicity shortly
El Greco "The Greek" referred to was already 400 years ago, that color
and color perception are two different situations.
Perhaps he was synonymous "only" color-blind. At least a little?
(Material for further Habilitation).
Brain research is certainly not ready yet to say
can, why "300" - color is not everyone's taste.
;)))
Antwort von domain:
Like the "Preserving skin tones is important .." is to understand you can indeed synonymous with good Egon Schiele Watch ;-)
Antwort von Marco:
Completely and not at all. Human skin color is one of the best and most important reference for color correction.
Marco
Antwort von DWUA:
Skin color? What? Of the "Marco" in the mirror or one of these infinitely many others?
A bit of
Gauguin with a pinch
Pocha? ;))
However, if you think skin color should be as faithfully as
can be shown, this is not Maskera easy.
Rubens & Co can warm regards. It's all a question of
Time preference. S.dann and it becomes difficult to take them.
Because the tastes of today no longer live in a luxury niche, but roam freely.
So, dear Stu, you were probably something for the first time in your life
And now think of color psychology is one to explain to us
why road signs and fire engines still sometimes
red are ...
:)))
Ps
Since Breughel was again quickly:
Antwort von domain:
Completely and not at all. Human skin color is one of the best and most important reference for color correction.
Marco Basically true, but as an example of me to think a little sloppily colored pure SW-Picture.
First, I have fully taken on blue and cyan, and then some areas of the image with the History Brush again fading to SW. So there are no reds or yellows, and yet one has the impression of at least some skin tones. So only the relation plays a role.
Antwort von DWUA:
Then the proportion of magenta call, please!
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Jaa, accurate, or at ...
AVATAR ... ...
zum Bild ...oder den SIMPSONS!
zum Bild Hab ehrlich gesagt noch nicht ganz verstanden, ob so manches Picture als Scherz verlinkt wurde!?
Hab das Tutorial verstanden, es interessant gefunden and tatsächlich etwas daraus gelernt. Wobei ich denke, dass das
usually work in post production with masks, and is hardly s.Set occurs. And there is the famous question of time whether it makes a scene or corrected the Hauttäne ... It is important in my opinion, definitely! (There are exceptions of course, everywhere, and it was "Eyes Wide Shut" or something similar where but work is very conscious with light.)
Best regards,
Constantin
Antwort von DWUA:
... Although I think it's mostly a work in post production with masks, and is hardly s.Set place ...
Weder... / ...noch.
Must be previously internalized long ago.
What do you use them depends of from the cerebral cortex.
At least something should be known for what is good for 1 picture,
for many of the same images can be nothing wrong.
Well: Better ask questions in advance, rather than afterwards.
Anyone can choose something as:
(Colors, which are not previously known soo ...)
;))
Sorry, this time as Ik ae a catalog mailing list ...
Antwort von Marco:
"Skin color? What? Die of" Marco "in the mirror or one of these infinitely many others?"
That is what makes human skin color so interesting for color correction. There are not many uendlich. Actually there is even no different skin colors, but only one with a very slight variance. Meant in the (color correction) the technical sense is the hue angle, because of the varied minimally. Only saturation and (luminance) levels can vary widely.
Two image examples in which the hue of skin color just different times by about 1 degree. Much more is usually not synonymous s.Abweichung are juxtaposed matter what (living) people:
Antwort von domain:
Yes
the person now looks much healthier!
Probably got a mask placed around the skin and selectively corrected.
But this kind of correction is not in any case. The skin can mE synonymous quiet times "are false", if only the relation to the ambient light is observed, see El Greco, or Breughel
Antwort von DWUA:
Marco, good that you are so correct as editors and mixers.
But: if you YOUR hue (H) such as 0 ° for red,
120 ° for green, 240 ° for blue defined it, would not even exist,
it seems just as defined elsewhere.
Even with constant factors such as saturation or Hellwert.
That is probably the real crux of this thread --
or we see the completely wrong?
Thanks s.dich, man of the drawer!
Antwort von Marco:
"But: if you YOUR hue (H) such as 0 ° for red,
120 ° for green, 240 ° for blue defined it, would not even exist,
precisely defined so that it appears somewhere else. "
Do not know exactly what you mean. I refer, with reference to a "standard angle" for the color represented in a vector scope angle. I have known since no deviations, no matter which way round the angles are described with numbers.
Skin color is sold in many countries, almost like a "11-Clock vectorscope-Color". Many vectorscopes there is a line that is sometimes synonymous, "known as flesh-line".
(Maybe I should add that that I with "angle" Angle said the vector scope.)
"You're probably a mask placed around the skin and selectively corrected."
Often an appropriate way, but in this case it was a hasty correction by the centers. I had a mask used here only to control the process in a targeted vector scope to be.
"But for this type of correction is not in every case."
Certainly, not in every case. But in a first, basic color correction is usually so. Everything else is probably either more or less far beyond the actual color correction or addition, but it is rather exceptional, and does not lend itself as well as an indication of direction.
"The skin can mE synonymous quiet times 'false' if only the relation to the ambient light is observed, see El Greco or Breughel"
In my opinion, are such examples of painting rather bad. The game with colors is an infinitely interesting and perhaps synonymous an infinitely complex subject, which is used differently in different disciplines.
There are the principles that should be conveyed in the blog and probably synonymous to which the skin color counts as a good reference, many possible exceptions.
Nevertheless, it is likely when dealing with color in the film more caution than when dealing with any other object color, synonymous terms dyes by ambient light, if it is involved here is not too extreme and as such, shown lighting effect.
The last thing I would usually change when a correction and synonymous with a grading, would be the skin color. I never rule it out. But before I could move away the skin color of the "norm", I would just fix everything else straight, or may even saturate the skin color and only then consider whether to achieve the desired objective of changing the color can actually contribute something positive.
My way of dealing with it. Many ways to go ...
Marco
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Domain
The example of El Greco shows that At that quite well aware of the
with the phenomenon of the afterimage (in the eye Complimentary)
has played to challenge the "Simultanwunsch.
That is, nearly all are complementary addition to the
System to irritate the eye / brain.
The example Breughel shows that Icarus for him (and farmers)
plays no role. The crash remains unnoticed.
For the red scarf of the fisherman, the red shirt is
Bauer emphasized the plowing.
(Quantity contrast).
Excellent witnesses of their time.
Times should be a prove that the one-day funds would be clearer.
;)))
Antwort von Axel:
Maschwitz writes:
Or, if you so desire, you can make a strong visual statement by choosing to allow your skin tones to get subsumed by your look.
In the examples, where he was given the skin tones, they are still "covered by the look". Respectively, a skin-colored Edward Norton in a cyan night signaled to me to be: Because they have the background, so once again trimmed especially gruftig and punk to cool. If the skin less textmarker-orange, but, to match the ambient light, also some green that would be effect of the scene basically the same, only natural.
I feel here is not to the principle, "Memory Colors to use" as a reference to attack. I can only find the other colors too drastic, kitschy way, tortured to a handful of meaningless looks, which I personally feel neither natural nor as effective in the sense of feeling to be transported. Just because we have scanned the recognizable sounds to be correct, we should engage ourselves in the other colors on everything? So for me it does not work! If I, despite a cold environment was any color (in Comparison to the mean reference: Relation) warmer skin tone look can affect the outcome of hyper-realistic to surreal. Too isolated color contrast ...
"Hey, Stu, that's the look at our film` dark city '? "
"Everything literally in the green zone."
