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Frage von Container:


Good day,

I have read a lot now synonymous and yet somehow I have become smarter.

I do video podcasts, movies and image sowas - Everything for the use on the web. So, my material is mainly viewed in the web / common.

Currently I rent always a 2100 and am quite satisfied so synonymous. However, she is currently synonymous needed me something too expensive. I have at the moment only a small budget to cut me a chance and buy a cam.

I will buy me NEN iMac and Final Cut Express HD. Now I still somehow looking for a CameraLink 1000 max.

I liebäugel longer with the XM 1 of Canon - because I come from the photo area simply am Canon fan and they have often used for about 800 - have seen.

the mini jack Tonanschluss is yes with an XLR adapter expand - But how dramatic is that the sound can not regulate manual? As for then? Determines the Cam what's good and what is not?

Then I read only that the XM2 has 16:9 - Is it for web videos ever needed to be able to make 16:9?

My cameraman (Media Technology student) always advises me to unglablichen lenses, 16:9 XLR, Tonanschlüssen and and and - But ichhabe s.das Money is not currently and b) I do not know if I really need to video podcasts to make. ichdenke synonymous for iPod, cell phone videos can not be so wichtigsein?

I am fully aware that I am with his small budget, a compromise must be - but what is the best?

The VX1000 does not have a display - but because I am so accustomed that I do not want to waive.

Henkel also I would like to s.der Cam - My question is actually the precise asked: Will I be happy with the XM1 for my needs?

Furthermore, I am absolutely open for deals-Thank you!

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

... only very short: the trip is clearly becoming 16:9. Review in the next Blöd market. It is nonsense from her workflow for the web than other formats for TV use, apart of course the size.
With a new purchase would be, I'm going to a 16:9 guess, unless you are 200% safe, never for DVD / TV to produce them.
BG
Andreas

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Antwort von Container:

DVD certainly times - for TV, I would then have always what better to rent.

So rather XM2?

As I said get it in the first place now is to have something with which I can get started. smaller projects to make your own dummy / format (the Web) and inefach I need something very cheap to begin now, without the need to rent.

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

Then look for the XM2. Yes I would like you to recommend the next step: on the same HD. If this does not fit into the budget ...

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Antwort von Container:

No HD unfortunately currently fits into the budget even icht. there must be genuine and to somewhere around 1000, - are

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Antwort von gunman:

Hello,
Where is the problem?

Why not the HV20? Costs less than 1000 Euros. If you're with iMac and Final Cut HD work, but if necessary you can even convert to SD and the picture quality of've certainly pros against the XM1 (owned since 1999, a self-XM1 and am happy). TODAY, I would, but for a used XM1 not spend 800 euros when I almost for the same money get a HDV Camera ..
Gunman

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Antwort von Container:

I got the HV20 views - she has not even a shoe accessories. I would like to have a head light use.

Also seems to me the lens is not as bright.

What would a reasonable price for a used XM2?

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Antwort von PowerMac:

I can give you the tip that 16:9 interesting and important. Also you have a larger wide Angleals with 4:3 cameras. You might need to synonymous with thy 4:3-Picture bar inside, but that reduces the Wide Anglenochmals. 16:9 should be, synonymous with web videos, because the audience is accustomed to and it works, together with a good WW-simply more professional.

Therefore, I advise you of the old ham XM1 / 2 s.and recommend you a HV20. Lately, I have for years for the first time an XM2 and seen the picture was shit. It simply no longer holds with. The HV20 is crispy and great pictures. HDV with FCE, you can on your iMac already synonymous and simply edit them to create web version.

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Antwort von Container:

I have here now in another thread or something to read on the HV20.

So, to put it perhaps more clearly to what I do: I make these videos are not for private use, but sell them.

And this year had always rented Cams. Usually 2100, but synonymous a DVX100 (which I think seeehr geil) and synonymous an XL1.

The HV20 did not have a accessory shoe and I would quite like a head light times used.

And why ask is because, for example, a XM2 needed still more expensive or as expensive as a new HV20.

HD is good and beautiful - I would prefer a loving s.kaufen - but it's just not currently.

The HV20 has not synonymous Henkel and restricts the freedom of movement of something.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Beautiful, I sell synonymous and earn money. Thus, we have something in common. What brings you freedom of movement, if you have a shitty Picture searched? The HV20 is the best picture in 1500 Euro.
Show 'times exactly what you do, then maybe we can a CameraLink exactly to your application to recommend.

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Antwort von Container:

http://www.koflerkompanie.com/de/pretadiner_autumnwinter07_podcast.html

These things, for example.

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Antwort von Container:

So: What use to me now this great picture of the HV20 if my stuff anyway as Flash Vids at max 640x480 in the network?

And why nobody answered my question, because a warumm XM 2 gebracuht still more expensive than HV20?

The HV20 is synonymous only with a chip.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Because of HD to SD down Picture always much better than a normal SD picture is. The colors are better, the picture is sharper and also the Wide Angleist greater. Even at 640x480. What does this with a chip to do? The Red is synonymous only with a chip. These are arguments from 2000.

To your other question: because nobody is interested? The XM2 is a major stop Camera and many people still use them. People are just ready for the supposedly better handling and the great picture by the three chips much money lie. But this is no longer really understand (warranty, age, moderate image quality, less features for today), people do it simply. If not synonymous for me to understand.

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Antwort von Container:

hmmm ...
But what is now with the accessory shoe? Because the head light and so ..

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Antwort von PowerMac:

The camera has an accessory shoe.

Example Photo:
http://www.thedigitaldoctor.com/pix/latview-sm.jpg

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Antwort von Container:

Well, since I'll need for your hair almost grateful ;-)

I'm going to get the camera tomorrow mal "live" view.

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Antwort von Container:

What is the cost for such a wide-angle converter plus kompendium?

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Yes and all without money to get ...;)

What it costs? No clue, I do not use small cameras. But Google knows it

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Antwort von Container:

Yes, many thanks for this first!

Wide intent costs 45, - on ebay and Compendium 17 Euro

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Antwort von Container:

Hi,

so, I got the HV20 now views.

The Zoomwippe is quite silly and it is hardly possible to correct dosage to use.
Focusrad also is very smooth.

what is annoying me synonymous manual that sharpness does not seem to drag.

Do you have tips or opinions on my old favorites XM1 / 2?

Thx!

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Antwort von C.I.W:

"PowerMac" wrote: The Red is synonymous only with a chip.

Only with the difference that the size of a 35mm film has.
If the RED 3 of them would not they would cost ¬ 20,000, but about ¬ 100,000. Purchase the Canon, it has an accessory shoe, which is just under one cover.

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Antwort von Container:

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Antwort von gunman:

"Container" wrote: Hi,

so, I got the HV20 now views.

The Zoomwippe is quite silly and it is hardly possible to correct dosage to use.
Focusrad also is very smooth.

what is annoying me synonymous manual that sharpness does not seem to drag.

Do you have tips or opinions on my old favorites XM1 / 2?

Thx!


Hello,
Man, I do not think you know what you want!
I've seen what you've put on line. Respect. Looks class.
But for the price you want to spend, I do not understand how you get the idea?
What your future Camera for the price you want to spend all must have, I'm sorry, something does not work because ...
Gunman

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Antwort von jansi:

"Container" wrote: what is annoying me synonymous manual that sharpness does not seem to drag.
Clearly, where there is no depth blur, because consumption is not synonymous Focusing;)))
No, you have the right, the thing is unrbauchbar. (I think only the wheel for the sharpness, not the entire camcorder.)
Then guck doch mal after the XM2.

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Antwort von Meggs:

"PowerMac" wrote: Because of HD to SD down Picture always much better than a normal SD picture is. The colors are better, the picture is sharper and also the Wide Angleist greater. Even at 640x480.

That is nonsense. Why should the picture better or weitwinkliger during runterkonvertieren? The XM2 has house of a rather weitwinkliges Picture, synonymous in 4:3.
There are of course arguments for HD. But that someone is definitely not Endauflösung of 640 x 480 needs an HV20 as a better alternative to the recommended XM2 I find fully wrong. The only advantage of the HV20 is the "bigger" picture, it is better not. In all other disciplines is the XM2 homemade highly superior.
I think the blanket synonymous reasoning for web videos in 16:9 nonsensical. The vast majority of computer monitors are 4:3.

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: Do you have tips or opinions on my old favorites XM1 / 2? I had the times XM1, XM2 and know that today the MVX3i (in terms of size and operating concept of the HV20 is not dissimilar). So I have some comparisons.

I, I can assure you that the extra cost of the XM models in any case is justified when it comes to manual focus and have the control over the outcome is (vollmanuelle exposure, manual switchable gain, etc.).

Personally, I would for my needs but the HV20, since I and 16:9 HD resolution today find important and that reducing it could ease. But your application does something different. Achievable Resolutionund ability to 16:9 have for web videos is not a priority.

I would for your specific purpose by a well-preserved XM1 into consideration. The handling is fantastic and no comparison with the stuff Fummel switch to the smaller camcorder. Sole only persistent weakness against the XM2 is the lack of manual Tonaussteuerung. (Yes well, the more Anglehat Wide XM2 synonymous.)
The XM1 has Tonregelung that of the effect of bringing more of a limiter than a Aussteuerungsautomatik is. You can work well so long as the Micro not used to high output level and it has not to difficult situations (eg some loud timpani strokes, which always bring down rules). When such situations do not happen too often, you can synonymous with an external sound recording device.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

"Megger" wrote: (...) That's nonsense. Why should the picture better or weitwinkliger during runterkonvertieren? The XM2 has house of a rather weitwinkliges Picture, synonymous in 4:3. (...)

The Picture is not the Herunterkonvertieren weitwinkliger, but it is basically due to 16:9 over 4:3. The field of view, the Wide Anglebleibt Down the Computing and is logically the same compared with the abkaschen from the 4:3 of 16:9 incurred a lot of 4:3-Camera next.

"Megger" wrote: (...) Of course there are arguments for HD. But that someone is definitely not Endauflösung of 640 x 480 needs an HV20 as a better alternative to the recommended XM2 I find fully wrong. The only advantage of the HV20 is the "bigger" picture, it is better not. (...)

One of HD to SD down Picture, for example of the HV20 is better than the picture of the XM2. The advantage lies in a much better picture, in the larger wide angle ... and ...

"Megger" wrote: (...) In all other disciplines is the XM2 homemade highly superior. (...)

... Of handling somewhat. But the HV20 offers a better Picture and for the future is much better suited. In addition, a new camera with warranty. Reinhartshausen pragmatic view, I would never be a five-year, second-hand camera to buy.

"Megger" wrote: (...) I think the blanket synonymous reasoning for web videos in 16:9 nonsensical. The vast majority of computer monitors are 4:3.

You insert that is the aspect ratio of the whole screen in relation to the aspect ratio of the video argumentierst and thus contravening 16:9? What kind of illogical reasoning? Not rudimentary understandable. The aspect ratio of the monitor has absolutely nothing with the aspect ratio of the video to be done, except the exception of the full representation (which is rare in Quicktime files in the browser is used, but basically synonymous rather little used, so my guess). Rather, it is 16:9 s.sich regarded as among formats aesthetic design considerations. And since it has advantages and it is simply in vogue.

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Antwort von Container:

Ui, now it is really interesting!

So the sample videos of me were überw with a GY-HD100 made of a cameraman. Some pictures I've shot synonymous, but otherwise halt the cutting sequence and sowas down. And above all: The customer rangeholt ;-)

I do synonymous but much smaller projects such as a podcast for a Obdachlosen-/Strassenzeitung, video statements of patrons of a charitable organization, etc.

For larger or more well-paid jobs, said would be and I will weiterhina uf a cameraman with own equipment back.

Smaller things in the future, I would like to find themselves with their own resources can rotate.

Moreover ch'm a great friend of dummy-productions, I show a potential customer directly rather what I can do for him, rather than the whole 20Seiten in PPS presentations umpteen times to have to explain. And quite the bargain würd ichgern produce their own magazines.

I begin with these things just started production, it actually am Author / TV-journalist and would like the whole, above all, very typical building, so no credit record etc and therefore there is content for the Cam only a very limited budget.

Thanks for your tips!
If someone has a nice Cam, has to offer - Just sign ;-)

PowerMacs argumente sound but somehow synonymous so convincingly ... I must say yes ..

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Antwort von PowerMac:

It's always exciting when you coming from another area. I have not actually synonymous with Camera s.Hut or with technology. So I get 'not it, even though I have mastered it. Eben (only) to the cinematic statement, which I want to have. And since I find the small camera offers a lot, next to very pragmatic reasons as the warranty. A good look is important for your productions. If you, however twisted Podcasts Homeless in neighborhoods and make you move a lot, then a greater Camera make sense.

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Antwort von Container:

So I am happy with a camera.
Where I'll of course quite right there is the matter with the warranty ...

hachjee - serious decision das ..

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Antwort von Meggs:

"PowerMac" wrote:
The Picture is not the Herunterkonvertieren weitwinkliger, but it is basically due to 16:9 over 4:3. The field of view, the Wide Anglebleibt Down the Computing and is logically the same compared with the abkaschen from the 4:3 of 16:9 incurred a lot of 4:3-Camera next.


The small-time equivalents

HV20
at 4:3 53 - 530 mm
at 16:9 43.6 - 436 mm

XM2 at 4:3 and 16:9 in
39.5 - 790 mm

"PowerMac" wrote:
One of HD to SD down Picture, for example of the HV20 is better than the picture of the XM2. The advantage lies in a much better picture, in the larger wide angle ... and ...


I got me a few weeks ago at its fair with someone having the money with his video Docus deserves. He had his new XH-A1 and it was completely out and away of the part. He is synonymous one XM2. When I asked how the SD picture on the camcorder XM2 in Comparison to that, he said: "almost as good, if there is enough light." Mind you, it was about the A1, not the HV20.

"PowerMac" wrote:
You insert that is the aspect ratio of the whole screen in relation to the aspect ratio of the video argumentierst and thus contravening 16:9?


Wrong. I argue against is not 16:9, but not synonymous to a flat rate. The only reason a flat rate for 16:9 to argue for me would be a 16:9 monitor and full screen mode.
In all other cases it depends on content, which format is better.
A church, a Tree, a 1-man play, the Tagesschau Sprecher, a solo musician ..... sees no heady from 16:9.
A play with a broad stage, a big band, the infinite vastness of the landscape ... and of course many still looks better in 16:9.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

"Megger" wrote: (...) The small-time equivalents (...)

Good, of the house is old better. But a WW-adapter belongs to everyone, such as toilet paper for HV20 stools.

"Megger" wrote: (...) I got me a few weeks ago at its fair with someone having the money with his video Docus deserves. He had his new XH-A1 and it was completely out and away of the part. He is synonymous one XM2. When I asked how the SD picture on the camcorder XM2 in Comparison to that, he said: "almost as good, if there is enough light." Mind you, it was about the A1, not the HV20. (...)

You confuse a lot again: the SD-Picture of the XH A1 is not interested. It is interested in the calculator down SD-Picture, which is obtained from HD and the SD-Picture of the XH A1 depends far. So and not otherwise make das Such material can easily be extended to Digibeta me or what I know off and it looks good.

"Megger" wrote: (...) False. I argue against is not 16:9, but not synonymous to a flat rate. The only reason a flat rate for 16:9 to argue for me would be a 16:9 monitor and full screen mode.
In all other cases it depends on content, which format is better.
A church, a Tree, a 1-man play, the Tagesschau Sprecher, a solo musician ..... sees no heady from 16:9.
A play with a broad stage, a big band, the infinite vastness of the landscape ... and of course many still looks better in 16:9. (...)


Your argument earlier was incomprehensible, since you have the screen aspect ratio did unbegründeterweise included. Why, that you have not yet justified.

The discussion on the aspect ratios to me here is primitive. So a flat rate, you can not discuss it. It is not about "look better". Only briefly about this: One chooses not widescreen, just because there are any parallels with the cinema, or reception for "film look" looks like. A wide format makes sense for a lot of pictures to create a sense of width to give greater depth, better work environments to allow more players to accommodate. It has been a great deal more bildgestalterische opportunities through the broad picture. Also because more easily fit inside. In addition, like an inner conflict of a lonely person in a broad Picture (neatly orchestrated) help, a feeling of emptiness and loneliness in the audience to obtain. For example. "A church, a Tree, a 1-man play, the Tagesschau Sprecher, a solo musician ..... looks from 16:9 not intoxicating." Ah, who says that? Your grandmother, you, Hartmann of the Tann? 16:9 is the new standard. 16:9 is on the rise. And it makes sense. An aspect ratio has nothing to do with the display unit to be done. The Bildkadrage, the camera work to determine the aspect ratio and not whether you have a plasma television has. (Picture) before staging technical conditions on the recipients side.

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Antwort von DWUA:

16:9 For discussion:

The physiology of the human skull and the other animals;)) is designed so that the eyes and not side by side on top of each other.
(Polyphemus, the one-eyed from the grch. mythology has bad luck;
whose times were not synonymous Movies 3D).

For fixed axis view is first a field of view horizontally to
~ 200 ° and contrast ~ 130 ° in the vertical where.
Of approximately 55 ° upwards and 75 ° down.
If a ratio of ~ 1.54.
Without head movement can be only the eye muscles, the field of view
to significantly expand horizontally. There is no chameleon.
Benefits but only someone who sits in the Movies
and not in the front row.
The movie people who make great film, a dirty shave
to Fernseh-/Computerbildschirme.

Graphically on 3 sides declared that every layman here:

www.netzwelt.de/news/76273-wegweiser-im-formatdschungel-43.html

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Antwort von Meggs:

@ PowerMac
Your statement that basic ä tzlichjedes of HD to SD down converted picture is better than any recorded in the SD picture is just as wrong as your above statement is generally higher than 16:9 Wide Anglebei, just not so easy with comparative figures accounted for. The Picture is not the down convert better. A mediocre HD Picture looks after runterkonvertieren worse than a first-class SD-Picture (my opinion, not my aunt).

16:9 The question is probably a matter of taste. What I wrote is my opinion, not my grandmother. I see no synonymous re saying in my reasoning, but the feeling you kapierst just not what I mean.

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Megger" wrote: generally higher than Anglebei Wide 16:9,
As far as I know, this is a distinguishing feature of whether a Camera "true" 16:9 or 4:3 only dominated croppt. At my old TRV140E is actually the picture when switching to 16:9 weitwinkliger, I have here of the various other models already synonymous read.
My VX1000 dominated only "fake" 16:9. Picture On changing to the black bar and later a resolution gruselige nothing.
BG
Andreas

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Antwort von Meggs:

The XM2 is not weitwinkliger because the 4:3 chip at all pixels 4:3 uses. Nevertheless comes (Thanks and good Pixel Shift Signal Processing) s.Ende an anamorphic 16:9 picture out, the comparison with "real" pictures of newer middle 16:9 SD camcorders do not need to shy away.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

"Megger" wrote: (...) I see no synonymous re saying in my reasoning, but the feeling you kapierst just not what I mean. (...)

I have the feeling that you've either written and Quark have now accessed, but do not want to admit it, or you have expressed yourself so clearly that I did not understand you. After Watzlawik tuna and you're so guilty if you do not understand others. Well, so he explain his sentence:
"I think the blanket synonymous reasoning for web videos in 16:9 nonsensical. The vast majority of computer monitors are 4:3."

You kritisierst "a blanket argument for 16:9 (x) for web videos (y). The vast majority of computer monitors (z) are (-x) or (a)." Explain to me what the aspect ratio of computer monitors, what you do in 4:3 majority for holding, with a 16:9 aspect ratio of web videos has to do!

"Megger" wrote: (...) Your statement that basic ä tzlichjedes of HD to SD down converted picture is better than any recorded in the SD picture is just as wrong (...)

You compare logic, which is not to be compared. We must of course be of the same charge for the picture out. A good HD-Picture SD produces good images, which have native SD pictures lie. Moderate HD picture is down a good SD picture, which is better than a regular SD native-Picture is. The only problem, why I did not always right, lies in the higher light sensitivity of HD cameras, but what with modern chips with good gain offset property.

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Antwort von Meggs:

"PowerMac" wrote: Well, so he explain his sentence:
"I think the blanket synonymous reasoning for web videos in 16:9 nonsensical. The vast majority of computer monitors are 4:3."


Well, then again very slowly and in detail for PowerMac.

I am therefore of the opinion that some situations better in the 4:3 format, others better in 16:9 format across. You write as

"PowerMac" wrote: In addition, like an inner conflict of a lonely person in a broad Picture (neatly orchestrated) help, a feeling of emptiness and loneliness in the audience to obtain.

What if I am not exactly the impression the viewer wants to obtain?
A Sologitarist on an otherwise empty stage is lost at 16:9, 4:3 for no longer so lost. As a flash-clip on the homepage, I would trim the video and about him in 3:4 display.
I had written synonymous:
"Megger" wrote:
Wrong. I argue against is not 16:9, but not synonymous to a flat rate. The only reason a flat rate for 16:9 to argue for me would be a 16:9 monitor and full screen mode.


So again for PowerMac:
1. If Sichtgerat 16:9 and full>>> necessarily 16:9
2. In all other cases,>>>> depends on no compulsion
Since the majority of Comupterbildschirme are 4:3 and full screen mode with clips on the website usually is not applied, both conditions of (1) do not exist, namely:
No technical requirements for 16:9, artistic freedom can prevail.

"PowerMac" wrote:
Moderate HD picture is down a good SD picture, which is better than a regular SD native-Picture is.

Moderate HD Picture runterkonvertiert looks worse than a native good SD picture.

"PowerMac" wrote: The only problem, why I did not always right, lies in the higher light sensitivity of HD cameras, but what with modern chips with good gain offset property.

You really confuse everything. HD cameras tend to have a lower sensitivity to light. Therefore it is used more gain, leading to more noise or noise due to image massive errors. In Lowlightbereich are good SD cameras with large chips is clearly superior.

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Antwort von Meggs:

The only argument in the specific case, namely required Endauflösung 640 x 480, against an XM2 speaks is, in my view the price, or the argument that the current warranty on new merchandise is worth something.
Then I would but in this particular case to a more upscale Panasonic SD-3-Chipper guess as to the HV20.

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Megger" wrote: In Lowlightbereich are good SD cameras with large chips is clearly superior.
... the good HD Cams synonymous with big chips?
Lowlight and Resolutionkannte I have two different things.
BG
Andreas

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Antwort von Meggs:

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote:
... the good HD Cams synonymous with big chips?
Lowlight and Resolutionkannte I have two different things.


There is already a connection between Lowlight and resolution, the pixel density or pixel size.
But all these blanket judgments are nonsense. Of course there are good HD camcorder with big chips and good Lowlight properties. While I argue the standard assessment that an HD camcorder like the HV20 is a kind of eierlegende Wollmichsau, which in any case synonymous better SD pictures.

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Megger" wrote: While I argue the standard assessment,
right!
But just here say nothing against the HV-20, at the moment seems to be a real hype, so to be - is it on the "list" of "active video" but merely to place 11 ... behind no longer built Sony models ... psst.
wink wink,
Andreas

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Antwort von Container:

Ohjeee - 2nd Page and I am not smarter ;-)
But very interesting - I'll I watch a few cams and then here at my favorite post ...
Danke jedenfalls!

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Antwort von Container:

Hello,

Now I look at the Panasonic NV 500 views and wonder whether the example is not in the requirements is that I initially point s.eine Camera?

What do you think? In comparison to HV20?

As for me, in any case überzegt is that I do not XM1 / 2 with Granatie will receive

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Antwort von jansi:

The GS500 has in any case 3CCD's, 16:9 and a focus wheel, but not very useful to be, but is not a HD Camera.
Manually, there is not much, but because you have you already used. ;)

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Antwort von Jan:

Hello,

we had only discussed here, whether you have a manual sufficient HV 20 can use an interesting thread:

HV 20

Although I am in the thread for the manual variety of Henkel men speak, has the synonymous HV 20 Some benefits - such as the sharpest picture in the class, especially when holding little cost are important.

But again to you, HD is just for you less interesting if it is really about 99% for Webfilmchen remains.

Weil, big screen records you will be very expensive, and your clients such large stream anyway not able to receive and to (T 1000 customers). SD picture is quite enough for you.

Before one class but a deeper, to the GS 500 - you should really consider if you do not but the HV 20 is because the diversity of a manual GS 500 in contrast to a 2 & XM VX 2100 with a HV 20 not very much different .

HV 20 & GS 500 thread is here infinitely many ....

VG
Jan

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Antwort von Container:

I actually tend imemr emehr for HV20 - from handling, but I must say that the Panasonic just nice in your hand.

Thank you for the many opinions

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Antwort von cmbfilm:

@ Container
Just clip on your company Kofler views.
You verarscht us. For the film, you'll get as much coal, that you each camera can pick your choice. Should it not be the case, then a marketing course shows how you sell yourself better. Schwafle not about technology poplige hobby but do have a link to other matters of Dir The thing is with Kofler class
mfG s.Schlitzohr container Eggerder

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Antwort von Container:

@ - Eggerder, here now before even more on your trip funny bounce, either to make the following words:
Kofler On the page there are several videos.
Maybe I have some of the clips only the concept of writing? Perhaps I have really much money to get a lion's share of them but s.eine production company paid for me so for my company, a reference to create the product? Maybe I synonymous with the HfbK (Academy of Fine Arts) together? Maybe I synonymous draufgezahlt?
But many thanks for the Nachilfestunde in Vermarktumng and sound ;-)
I have my business from unemployment with zero startup capital, has until recently had a home office, I'm the father in November and has now become of my wahnsinn fees not only an office but still synonymous massive buy another vehicle, so that for a Camera just not much left.

Ichhabe synonymous already written above that I use for larger projects up to a cameraman with own equipment and will draw a first camera for small projects, dummies and a separate podcast need.

More of my projects can be found on the page of the magazine, Hinz & Kunzt, HelpAge Germany, Powerboatspeedworld and even some of the other pages. In addition, CIH with a team in September when the first price Bitfilm festival in Hamburg, made in the category "Bitfilm48" in which it came within 48 hours to produce a film.

So I am actually not entirely new and unbeleckt in the whole thing - but I do not think that you always visible results in a context of income can provide. When I do so look what the students who are my things partially rotate and cut just for themselves s.Demomaterial produce slag I often only with the ears.

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Antwort von cmbfilm:

Why so aggressive - I've made in the contribution of a massive praise Eggerder seen ...

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Antwort von cmbfilm:

After my coffee, I have seen so synonymous - eigentlichauch just wanted to edit ;-)

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Antwort von Container:

So, is editing ;-)

The Bitfilmclip ch incidentally may currently not show. For the event in Hamburg was from gema-led to a lump sum payment, so we any music of the film was set. Now we have something umbasteln him, or him on a Page as a podcast to provide rechtemäßig no problems.

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