Infoseite // Consumer MiniDV cameras before the end?



Frage von Jan:


Hello Slashcam,

it does not look good for our "beloved" tape. First information about the sequence is one of the 4 major camera manufacturer-2009 No! new (s)! MiniDV cameras on the market. The same manufacturer has given us quite a few months ago taught that it is synonymous not a new DVD model will give more (as are most users here rather pleased - as I think).

The three other companies hold still very cloudy, what's next in the spring of 2009 for MiniDV cameras really will be presented.

It is definitely a big flash memory offensive.

Let's see now when BluRay camcorder of Sony or Panasonic in the market ....

Manufacturer Canon wobbles at the moment, their stock values are very much like they would probably synonymous with very aggressive Flashmemory attack.

Does not look good for the MiniDV tape, HDV will be probably as long as support until the NLE editing systems better able to work with AVCHD, then there should be synonymous gone.

VG
Jan

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Antwort von jazzy_d:

If it should be over quickly, would not benefit Sony recently 2 new HDV Semipros released. But of course, the future of flash memory.

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Antwort von Jan:

No, only the consumer market, ie camcorder
up to max ¬ 2000.

VG
Jan

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Antwort von WoWu:

But just from the consumer comes under more pressure resolution (spatially and temporally) and is probably in the demand for more depth signal to continue.
It all went very smoothly with no more tape. (Incidentally, not synonymous in Pro-Sumer area).
That, in rapid succession a few weeks of various prosumer camcorder of a company should have released more of a sign for the development Auskehren drawers at work, as to suggest that the long term is set to tape.
Personally, I find it a shame, a really convenient (and cheap) storage media to give up, but the restrictions that brings with it are undoubtedly synonymous evident.

And what the cut support, more and more NLE's probably synonymous to the variant-ADOBE-back and to help embed DSLs. But as we have already discussed a year ago.

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Antwort von Pillermännchen:

So what is my preference of no .........

As long as the images of a camera are only as good as the man who was behind and they must recognize synonymous, everything stays the same.
And the resolutions of today's consumer devices over the eons is what Youtube users pixelgewohnte Handycam directors or as a "good picture" call.

It will go so high Amateurfilmerei, such as the high-HiFibereich:
She died, because the offspring with the iPod and Günter Jauch Geplärre as wide mouth frog in a 4:3 screen to show the great cheap 16:9 he is satisfied.

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Antwort von Jan:

"WoWu" wrote: But as we have already discussed a year ago.

That's right, Wolfgang. I'd never thought of it so fast.

It is one of the two strongest selling consumer video companies.

VG
Jan

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Antwort von dvcut:

The NV-GS500 past are still sold well, but the majority of calls Full HD 1920 x 1080 is not much in the future. On the other, the demand for used versions Pal XL, XM, VX and FX.

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Antwort von Jan:

Then you should probably still a dealer with GS 330 and GS 500 monoplane?

VG
Jan

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Antwort von WoWu:

Piller @ male

As you might be right. I have a few days ago trying chen coding of American TV stations seen 1080p60 in the 4 Mbit / s have packed.
Since then we have's, YouTube for hi-end enthusiasts. If the aim should be .... na bravo. Missing then only the Jauch than content.
Then we finally come that data rates of no more technicians, but the budget of departments should be established.

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Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

I'm still on about whether I should take AVCHD or HC9 is still a (tape) I should buy. But if I wait a long time will certainly be done soon and we shall not Bandcams more. Somehow I will be in the foreseeable future, the decision of myself off.

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Antwort von Daigoro:

"AndreasBloechl" wrote: Somehow I will be in the foreseeable future, the decision of myself off.

Whether this is now so is beneficial ...

The question is not card against tape - the tape seems even many lovers relatively relative (ok, that was synonymous's his funny little warrior in Panasonic vs. Sony 'premium' - I've tested both taste the same:)).
The really important is a well-established standard for decades, through the desert is "proliferation.
And not just in the media storage area, but almost everywhere and all under the guise of "simple".

"Jan" wrote: Then you should probably still a dealer with GS 330 and GS 500 monoplane?

At least you as a consumer could strike while it still exists.

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Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Yes, I would like to tape backup solution is not to miss, the other holding the safety of hard disks which I very much question but halt the transfer easier. I'm still out and her cunning.

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Antwort von Jan:

For JVC, it is not synonymous better, I just wanted to say ...

VG
Jan

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Antwort von Batusel:

Now I buy me a quick GS330 or GS500. How long is it then still buy the tapes to give? 3 years? Pay the outstanding?

I do not understand this: so many benefits and no future anyway?

LG
Andi

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Antwort von Daigoro:

"Batusel" wrote: Now I buy me a quick GS330 or GS500. How long is it then still buy the tapes to give? 3 years? Pay the outstanding?


So Blank VHS (!) Cartridges, there's still virtually in every supermarket.
Maybe not directly comparable, since VCR are much more widespread than cameras, but as long as there are still enough buyers (and as almost a MiniDV Consumer Jahrzeht was standard, should not become extinct so fast / all away from the tape) I do not worry.
Perhaps the tapes times more expensive and the number of providers / types decreases, but the supply seems to me still to hold bit longer than 3 years.

Furthermore, no system forever anyway and the rapidly falling memory prices, in conjunction with the increasing disk space is for me an indication that at the moment is still a good 'early adopter' bonus pay.
If the whole in a few years has stabilized, you can still change and do not stop paying 100 euros for the 4GB SDHC card, as until recently, but 20 euros for the 32GB.
So rapidly falling prices are for the time / resale value easily and fatally bitten the elderly was only for very hardcore price-/Leistungsignorierer.

Or there are times ansteckbare Solid State Disks (currently synonymous much too expensive), the video stream over the USB / FireWire / HDMI and tap s.jedem camcorder function. This would then re-built storage media taster.

"Batusel" wrote:
I do not understand this: so many benefits and no future anyway?


Well, 'cheaper' (anyway) and (supposedly) 'simple' can halt market better than any secondary properties such as MegaByte / cents and archived.

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Antwort von joerg:

Although there is no miniDV camcorder, there should be new anymore, it will still at least 20 years of tapes indicate.
Otherwise it's probably not synonymous VHS-C tapes, 8mm tapes, digital 8 tapes and Hi8 tapes. So why now madden? Would need to export-import chains discover a gap in the market and those concerned orden cassettes.

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Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Because of the tapes, I would not worry synonymous. If the demand is there and it will certainly be many years, I think the next Prouktionsfirmen his beautiful produce and sell tapes. And at the Proficams it is still a topical issue.

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Antwort von Batusel:

Thanks for your answers!

Another question on mini-DV: Canon HV30 or Pana GS500? I am familiar with the history of apples and pears, but these two seem to be similar devices. Also in price, there's no major differences.

So why should I buy the GS500 if I with the HV30 HD device do? I've yet synonymous with the HV30 has the advantage of miniDV synonymous storage and the possibility of my movies on SD as well if I do not have HDTV, right? And is the picture for a layman like myself really so much worse with a CMOS sensor instead 3CCD? Connections are synonymous, the same, right?

Can I find someone to help with the choice, without just pointed out that the complete 2 different formats are? Thank you very much!

LG
Andi

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Antwort von Daigoro:

When you spend so much money are ready, then have the HV30.
Advantage, as you yourself have said: it is already high and the quality is not so bad.
With less budget would be the NV-GS330 has come into question.

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Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

And I personally Canon in DV or HDV cams would shun. From where we read only incompatibility with various tapes, only tapes Pana be not as sensitive. If I would Canon AVCHD where to draw.

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Antwort von Jan:

The reason why it is at JVC and Panasonic MiniDV cameras no longer exist, is less because the companies do not like MiniDV, but the high cost of production of the drives and the continuing price war in the class. I am curious as Canon & Sonyreagieren.

With flash memory cameras can halt the company's approximately 30% of production cost savings, the company can not escape.

The Panasonic GS 90 is expected next year, it still synonymous, but not a new model, GS 330 and 500 are set.
For JVC are already several MiniDV models no longer be ordered.

In 2009, it is a merciless struggle Flash Memory camcorders, the companies want all with a variety of models s.neuen conquer the market.

@ Batusel - this is not a question - get the HV 30 instantly!

I have nothing against the GS 500 - have begun at that time with her semi-work, has almost always been satisfied - at some point but it comes s.die limits. Since both models are approximately equal to more expensive, you should buy an HD Camera. The advantages of the GS 500 (eg focus ring and Fernsteuerbuchse) are not so serious to the model immediately preferable.

MiniDV tapes, it should surely be at least 5 years.
Is a dissemination system for professionals as synonymous for amateurs.

The even older 8 mm tapes, there is still synonymous when many ME & HME tapes now disappeared from the market, MP & HMP expected but not yet time to buy his.

VG
Jan

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Antwort von Meggs:

"joerg" wrote: Although there is no miniDV camcorder, there should be new anymore, it will still at least 20 years of tapes indicate.


This is determined by the market. 1990 it was very difficult, Super 8 movies to get, with a little effort you get it today.
10 years ago, no new turntable gabs more to buy, now they come back a few weeks ago had one in the Penny offer.

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Antwort von Daigoro:

"Megger" wrote: 1990 it was very difficult, Super 8 movies to get, with a little effort you get it today.

Yes, but to E-Commerce Times sees things a little differently.
1990, there's just stop, what it is in the shop around the corner was (bitter if you lived in the village - because there's very little interesting).

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