Frage von Tobias Claren:
Hello.
If my parents / parent for a new camcorder growth, the problem which is of course for the old one a few euros rausholen wants. Realistically go 375 Euro or more just for the camera. This in addition to the digitally recorded "D8 tapes"
(actually overpriced, Hi8 tapes do it synonymous when they are not x-times to play [it would be probably more robust d8])
synonymous old Hi8 recordings (and before the analog to the same bands), the digitizer can be actually quite chunky camera probably of an even bigger price decline rescued. 1000 euro once tasted.
But if the sale, the entire recorded tapes otherwise secured. Except there is a "player" (a simple playback device with USB2 or FW), which is cheap enough (when the part used 400 cost and the Camera 375 brings the nonsense).
Since one hour DV is 13GB (of course, synonymous to the old analog tapes to digital still synonymous), I do not know what to do with it.
DVDs I would take, it should be on several vertilt. Naja.
Will not separate, it should be a file as a backup (or as gespliette RAR, ZIP, or 7z) on the DVDs are distributed. If you want to edit the material, you have everything on the HD copy and unpack.
Well ...
The current need for your camcorder video but not as much space. FullHd, 40GB = 10 hours I read in one device.
PAL is on the pixel exactly one-fifth of FullHD.
Could not with a codec like these cameras FullHD the 13GB-the-hour-DV 800MB on-the-hour neuerHDcodec * * Evaporate? Then would almost 6 hours on a DVD fit träum * *. That would be not only comfortable, it saves synonymous DVDs.
It is the original material of the theory at some point something needs to be collected should / can.
But now it would be just a great relief material "without" (jaaa. ..) loss of quality for later editing to archiving.
The codec should therefore not only good compress without loss of quality (yes therotisch later synonymous ...), but still good to edit / cut his.
Is there possibly something for the standard recommendation for 13GB/St.- DV-archiving? This should not only be a problem to me. The procedure may be synonymous for hours or days of computing cost of the computer work. Power is only once. Main sop gently as possible.
That would create the freedom of the old part for sale immediately, and you have the videos available digitally synonymous faster than on the tapes.
Grüße / hope
Clare Tobias
Antwort von Markus73:
DV has only a very weak (not a single cross-) compression is therefore very high quality, well-suited for postprocessing and needs lots of space.
All the more compressed codecs (such as MPEG2, HDV usbei as it is used, MPEG4, etc.) are lossy compression methods, produce small files and this advantage is bought by more or less large gaps in the quality and vsim view of the post. They are very largely as a "format" planned.
The popular solution of you are there in this form is not.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
DV has only a very weak (not a single cross-) compression is therefore very high quality, well-suited for postprocessing and needs lots of space.
All the more compressed codecs (such as MPEG2, HDV usbei as it is used, MPEG4, etc.) are lossy compression methods, produce small files and this advantage is bought by more or less large gaps in the quality and vsim view of the post. They are very largely as a "format" planned.
Den of you searching for compromise, there is in this form is not.
Gruß,
Markus This means synonymous but, you may / may present with advanced (HD) video cameras filmed not edit / cut.
Apparently, the quality of the recordings of today's cameras are not worse than the former with DV (?). Or even better. So now with PAL devices with PAL DV devices of today compared.
Therefore, I was at, and there is still hope that there is a standard approach. Quasi the "studio method" of the compressed archive.
It is today synonymous None out, and converts its HD recording in a DV codec in order for them to be archived. That just makes no sense.
The other thought, of course, one wonders why it is not as compact as it is to make today's cameras. These codecs seem to be yes Bearbeitungsfähig. Here the hot well suited for the post-production.
Mpeg2 as it was called but it is probably not a format for archived for subsequent post production.
None since the power, its huge computerized data sets for archiving modern compression?
Verlustunbehaftete pack codecs achieve here is not very much. I have the times Tested. I think I came at the Ultra level to about 50% to 60%. Since it is still tapes as archives split distributed on DVDs, and the raw video of course, not to extract the HD of the PC Watch.
Antwort von mmohl:
Is there possibly something for the standard recommendation for 13GB/St.- DV-archiving? The standard recommendation is flat, the tapes themselves archvieren. If the new Camera on miniDV tapes stores, you could be the Digital8, MiniDV tapes to tapes umkopieren. Whether this is beneficial, but some of it depends from how many tapes are, as it already some time and also the drive of the new Camera abnutzt.
Antwort von Michaela:
... If the new Camera on miniDV tapes stores, you could be the Digital8, MiniDV tapes to tapes umkopieren ... This is the most sensible solution with distance.
The HDV camcorder available today use the same cassettes and are alls "DV capable", that means you have a cam in the old and the new recordings available!
The course is worthwhile only if you are not too many cassettes umkopieren need.
Antwort von Markus73:
This means synonymous but, you may / may present with advanced (HD) video cameras filmed not edit / cut. But, certainly you can. Only one has the quality not so much reserve, as you would with a weakening compressed codec would. A highly compressed format for editing only "aufzublasen" to it again after editing einzuschrumpfen is not the optimum. In the best case, when only weak editing the losses so far in boundaries that you do not really see it.
Apparently, the quality of the recordings of today's cameras are not worse than the former with DV (?). Your question sounds as if (in the range of the standard resolution) IR a technically obsolete format would be. It is not true.
If you are not prepared (or just cut, but nothing s.den picture content changes), enter the two methods are not much. The more processed, the worse is heavily compressed material there.
It is today synonymous None out, and converts its HD recording in a DV codec in order for them to be archived. That just makes no sense. Right, because if ever lossy compression was, then I get the "weggerechnete" synonymous with material no longer decompress back (apart from this, there is DV only in standard resolution).
The other thought, of course, one wonders why it is not as compact as it is to make today's cameras. These codecs seem to be yes Bearbeitungsfähig. Here the hot well suited for the post-production.
Mpeg2 as it was called but it is probably not a format for archived for subsequent post production. Here widersprichst you, because MPEG2 is used in standard resolution as synonymous with the newer devices with high resolution (HDV) are always and everywhere used. Even hard-and-DVD camcorder to work.
None since the power, its huge computerized data sets for archiving modern compression? It is nonsensical, because if you DV recording, makes this usWEGEN the high quality and compression of the weak.
If it's your only place to go, then you can use the file to MPEG2 compress course, but really lossless and without drawbacks, this is not.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
If I mienand a sufficiently verlustunbehaftetes procedure call, then maybe a very cost-effective storage option for very large amounts of data? Data tapes seem to me after the last calculation (I had been busy Malö) synonymous not exactly cheap per GB.
Also used with tapes. The devices which many GB are synonymous use to pack quite expensive. And DVDs are so puny against.
That could be TB.
It should be favorable to large hard disks.
And with "large" I 5.25 "(at TB HDs with several possible). And with cheap, I mean that they may be slower if the price lowers. Even with 2MB cache, etc. wenns helps.
Pure cheap term memory. The use anyway but only if you want to get data s.die wants. Because it seems to me that modern high-tech panels to pity only for what the space is concerned, they are of course the modern data density. Therefore yes synonymous 5.25 ". A huge clean-effective archive plate." 2TB for 49 euros ".....
I assume, however, like references to codecs / procedures, which will receive the best possible picture quality, and suitable for "Post Production" are.
I can order something at least play around / experiment / compare.
Antwort von mmohl:
If I mienand a sufficiently verlustunbehaftetes procedure call, then maybe a very cost-effective storage option for very large amounts of data? Mini-DV tape: 2 euros for a 13GB tape (post-fence Wink)
I assume, however, like references to codecs / procedures, which will receive the best possible picture quality, and suitable for "Post Production" are. For SD recording, there is the DV codec is the best choice, which is popular with cutting programs on the above favorable storage can write (second Wink)
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
If I mienand a sufficiently verlustunbehaftetes procedure call, then maybe a very cost-effective storage option for very large amounts of data?
Mini-DV tape: 2 euros for a 13GB tape (post-fence Wink)
I assume, however, like references to codecs / procedures, which will receive the best possible picture quality, and suitable for "Post Production" are.
For SD recording, there is the DV codec is the best choice, which is popular with cutting programs on the above favorable storage can write (second Wink) Because it seems to me that so hard to be cheaper (Wink: voted in the last contribution was even edited).
And at ¬ 2/13GB (Neupreis then yes it could be synonymous packages used cheap tapes, it will always be recorded only once) should be synonymous streamer tapes cheaper. Since there are always discarded. But the devices are expensive. Devices for 200GB or 400GB (slower), there are possibly still pay at ebay needed .. But in the price range is synonymous a 750GB HD.
Can be used for the whole range of raw materials. For more, takes the advantage of a streamer with bands that you conveniently after GBS can buy. At least if one so 200/400GB-tape eg for 2 Euro shoots.
What cost MiniDV - "Recorder"? Is there anyway?
Boxes with Firewire jack (or USB2).
If it is longer, it could be favorable to older devices.
The EGH wrote yes digital, quality differences, there is probably not (unless they could quickly read / write).
Then you have this quasi-streamer but synonymous with streamers compare.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... How much MiniDV - "Recorder"? Is there anyway? ... If it is longer, it could be favorable to older devices ... Currently there are (mobile) devices of Sony, stationary variants for the studio's previously synonymous Panasonic and JVC offer. Used dive they all too often not on, and if they do, then they are usually in the price much higher than a new camcorder with DV - In the same purpose would be.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
And the same for large-DV tapes?
So digitally recorded Hi8 tapes or D8 tapes (the same, only more robust tape).
Is it?
Incidentally, the cassettes have virtually every 90 minutes.
And then I could still "LP" recording, the playing was again increased. Thus, not 19.5 GB in 90 min, but more. Because "LP" was / is no saving mode in terms of quality but a slower recording I believe.
I have seen times according to the special digital-8-cassettes of Sony Does it:
SP> 90
LP> 135
It is synonymous with Hi8 tapes, LP is "only" vulnerable through non-interference was quite good band material is concerned. Synonymous Therefore the extra-D8 tape.
The expected 29.25 GB per 90min tape-D8-be.
Is it synonymous with-90min MiniDV tapes? And there is "LP"?
What fits what on High MiniDV tape?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... the same for large-DV tapes? So digitally recorded tapes or Hi8 tapes D8 ... Is it? ... "Large" DV cassettes are somewhat different than D8/Hi8-Kassetten (ie DV cassettes in the so-called standard size with about 4.5 hours of recording time), but the only s.Rand, because this is clearly what you mean. D8 recorder of Sony, there was: There is no such device, for example, the GV-D800E.
Gruß Bernd E.
PS: The easiest and cheapest solution to your problem D8-archiving, it would be natural, just your existing camcorder to remember ;-)
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
Nee, bvor the reserve is spread, I prefer it on DVD as ultra-packed split Dateiel.
The cassettes are 40. Most 90 min., A few 60min. But synonymous SP and LP mixed.
No idea how many GB are. That could be synonymous 750GB. But more synonymous (LP) or less (not fully recorded).
No idea .....
Here something to a "lossless codec":
http://forum.chip.de/downloads/msu-lossless-video-codec-vergleich-667189.html
So is there still a recognized and customary method?
Very interesting is the last entry:
@ tedgo:
TRUE!
I think the problem that I had made clear:
It is not about Fernsehmittschnitte or DVD copies!
It is about the archiving of shooting, in which one nerve and a lot of time invested. Of course, the final compressed movie (MPEG, XVid, DivX) and burned to DVD. But the original, I would like for a possible re-post or in the maximum Quälität store, which is possible and remains as either uncompressed archiving (uncompressed AVIs, you can not synonymous übrigends smooth view) with subsequent compression (RAR, 7zip) or a loss of working video codec. Of course, there are synonymous other lossless codecs, but the compression of the MSU Lossless Video Codec s.besten halt. Here's Comparison to the values of a video with a 3D-animation:
RGB uncompressed:
Note: I have the codecs to maximum, but absolutely lossless compression set!
RGB uncompressed: 730 MB
MSU Lossless Video Codec: 30 MB
HuffYUV: 235 MB
Alparysoft: 108 MB
RGB video is compressed with 7zip: 59 MB
So, I mean for archiving is the codec of the hammer and suggests even the best currently Pack program 7zip. From the encoding time MSU roughly twice the time of the decoding Alparysoft and jerky stop it and this is for the archiving of high-quality movie material eh no preference ... If this is not the Holy Grail sought? I am looking for is no format that I can play, but only for archiving.
How is the process afterwards? A video which I do not play in real time, as I cut it?
Or do you actually made this-MSU Lossless Video Codec Bearbeitungsfähiges a video produced? Eg 13GB DV.
But if it really> Lossless <is expected to convert the DV format in advance of course a result, the file which is identical with the one previously compressed to MSU.
Very interesting are the data already.
This loss-free codec (which is packed with 7z, RAR, etc. is so synonymous) achieved again by half. Well 25% of a 13GB PAL-DV. That's 3.25 GB. For 90 minutes 4.875 GB. Almost a DVD. A little unimportant video out, and it fits onto a DVD. But this is SP 90 min to 90min LP would be 7.3125 with MSU GB (29.25 GB original).
The only splitting. And for that you have the MSU file again later pack. That Lossless codec files we can not split. If yes in theory, video files (synonymous when in 2005 1s per Picture it took to play [when times 25 times the computing speed of 2005, it could go live ;-)]). Except it really separates them before coding.
* kopf smoke *
How long do DVDs now actually. Naturally dark storage. There are still enough Verbatims. At least on that mark, I was respected.
I could so that MSU Lossless-take (except I can now call someone better), and in severe cases with 135Min (I fear some of) the videos s.Szenenwechseln caps. So DV on PC first, then cut, and then with Lossless codec compress and burn to two DVDs.
Wmit separates you s.einer DV scene, and saves them without change?
Because I will not be considered synonymous DV in VirtualDub to save it. It is gigatisch. That is absolutely pure uncompressed video. A few minutes umpteen GB. Or I just do not find the option to DV-Avi unchanged save O_0.
Here is the MSU codec:
http://www.chip.de/downloads/MSU-Lossless- video codec 0.6.0_13774190.html
What has changed ish actually s.so a codec to 1.0 yet? Only the encoder?
Because nothing brings it out to wait, right?
But if
Antwort von Markus73:
Here something to a "lossless codec": As is "visually lossless", ie the cause is probably as good or bad as a MPEG2.
Addition: Ok, did quite well, as synonymous is a lossless compression by about a factor of 3 is possible.
M.
Antwort von WoWu:
Preserving the old cassette only postpones the problem into a time shift, in which the head drum is then oxidized or spares no one gets that the old archive then with total loss can be adopted.
Incidentally, on the Hi8 tapes are analog signals that are in the course of time change .... schau Dir mal old VHS cassette s.oder hear tapes of old times .... First, the high frequencies disappear ....
Your analog archives will therefore in this way synonymous change. But it is undoubtedly the most cost effective way then, if not the most effective synonymous.
Antwort von Michaela:
If there must be, then I would take the old tapes to play on the new and then the whole thing back in the cupboard where it lay down the last 20 years was synonymous in good hands.
Antwort von WoWu:
And on occasion I would schaun times what any of it is still what it once was ... times
Where does the way, the factor of 20 at-MSU Lossless Video Codec?
I know the codec only with factor 5 and then from 730 no 30 MB.
In addition, the codec has no reference implementation and tomorrow he can once again very different than today crocheted ... good opportunities for a Vollverlust the entire material.
And the whole Huff-and Zip stories that you have in MPEG synonymous, except that which an ordinary Codec precedes synonymous for you in 30 years to get a decoder.
Antwort von edgar:
Forget DVD - Set to DLT!
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Hello Tobias,
you have overlooked something (in relation to the MSU codec) because
RGB is
uncompressed. 720 x 576 x 3 = 1244160 bytes per picture (about 1.18 MB / Picture)
1244160 x 25 x 60 x 60 = 104 GB per hour
(I hope I have the right as expected)
And that is compressed, not the 13 GB of your band.
But what does the arithmetic, try it out.
Martin
Antwort von PowerMac:
Unfortunately wrong. You übersiehst that video is YCbCr and RGB is not. RGB has twice the data per second. In addition, conversions between RGB and YCbCr bad. There are great things, such as frayed edges, missing color, wrong colors, staircase effect, gamma changes, etc.
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
PowerMac Hello,
I am referring to this statement:
RGB uncompressed: 730 MB
MSU Lossless Video Codec: 30 MB
HuffYUV: 235 MB
Alparysoft: 108 MB
RGB video is compressed with 7zip: 59 MB without notice to the manner in which DV - video is stored.
What do you mean?
RGB has twice the data per second. RGB / 2 = YCbCr (4:4:4) or an RGB Picture greater than 1.18 MB is?
And that is compressed, not the 13 GB of your band. My statement should be that the video data from the DV tape first and then decoded with the MSU Lossless Video Codec encoded. We therefore expect from unkompriemierten video needs. A conversion of the color space should be avoided, of course.
But gray is all theory. Here's an example (with VD conversion, all without sound):
DV - Video: 21 MB
DV - Video -> MPU: 40 MB (Level 2 due to loss-free)
DV - Video -> RGB Video: 187 MB
Martin
Antwort von PowerMac:
Grad I understand nothing. In any case, you should not use RGB codecs. It converts and destroyed so that quality.
Antwort von edgar:
If even the 2 euros for a DV tape is too expensive then you should perhaps consider whether the problem lies elsewhere.
Tip of me, looking for better paid work or ne 750 gigabytes of disk grandma to leave Easter gift.
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
If even the 2 euros for a DV tape is too expensive then you should perhaps consider whether the problem lies elsewhere.
Tip of me, looking for better paid work or ne 750 gigabytes of disk grandma to leave Easter gift. They are not "2 Euro" (total). There are 40 tapes, mostly 90 minutes long play often. So 135 minutes. Are these not only 60Min MiniDV. There seem to 60/90 and 80/120 to be. D8 And there are more than 90/135. It could thus be synonymous 150 euros. More or less.
Also should I get the video to distribute more of these tapes / dismember. There are a tape longer than 2 hours.
There would be a large hard drive cheaper (P / L currently 750GB for 92 Euro). And if the video still packs or lossless encoded, you still synonymous space for the other videos, the man with the new camera rotates. And you have the opportunity later when BR-Recroder for 50 euros for the PC returns the contents of the archive hard drive on BR discs secure. Because DVD is a brand synonymous stack schönder, and can be synonymous again teu (s) he will.
Vorrausgesetzt the BRS will be synonymous favorable, worth das
What is "paid work" to help? What else can I do?
Nothing, and the non-synonymous better.
And "Grandma" does it not synonymous. There are no grandma (s), and it's not for me.
And if I use the cumbersome expensive (the mass) MiniDV tapes over to play, it would have a MiniDV recorder.
Since I can start a search D8 recorder or the D8 camera is not sold. Because the new camera need not necessarily have MiniDV.
Precisely for reasons of cost, would be a hard drive unit with interesting (if it is synonymous since video quality is good).
40GB = 10 hours. With 120GB disk that is 30 hours, etc. (kA maximum than what it currently exists).
And then entlehrt it on a large hard drive, and it may even later on DVD or BlueRay secure if you want.
I find more flexible than DVDs directly to the device. One is not compelled synonymous DVDs mitzuschleppen, did not at once an end (after 10 to 30 hours or more depending on the panel Battery / Power), and may be synonymous times longer s.Stück record (when the Battery nice). And it has no optical drive in it which is outdated. The HD is probably interchangeable.
For life:
The best bit in stone chisel, which lasts forever. Or save on microfilm, which holds a very long time synonymous (Min. 1000 years) ...
Antwort von edgar:
Find 'I am fine, that you tell us the answer to
your question and give us solutions to problems erläuterst that we do not have ...
Thank you very much
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
Find 'I am fine, that you tell us the answer to your question and give us solutions to problems erläuterst that we do not have ...
Thank you very much How should I understand that, "guest"?
This is a Disskusion (!), As may be synonymous to the questioner in the course of Disskusion tend to a solution (and the others can be synonymous to write something again). Even using the information which he was held by the Others.
And since I do not notice that it was indeed a loss-free coding archive there (although I'm getting from Google News after another took place in Slashcam), and meanwhile I found the information I gave them natural.
I think s.and s.Themen where the questioner writes that he had solved the problem and the thread can be closed. Genuine anti-social, the solution is not indicated times, because I think it contributes almost always via Google search for the solution.
How far these Lossless encoding worthwhile, I must compare times.
Who these "problems" do not have to move at a lower level.
Antwort von edgar:
The whole Lossless codecs but of an uncompressed source in DV there is "lossless" is not much to compress. You can no more than with RAR or something space saving rauskitzeln.
Otherwise, take I-frame based MPEG-2 with a high bitrate. DV has 25 megabits per second, with 15 or 10 megabits, you can even save space because it is behind and still be cut fairly easily.
Why not just themselves the outcome whether you like them.
A hard drive can simply synonymous of the way, now on the same break ... they would all movies at once away.
Antwort von PowerMac:
DV should be lossless? Very funny.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
404ERR
Antwort von O`Shannon:
DV should be lossless? Very funny. Time reading up?
Then I would have written with a comma: "when there is DV, as" lossless ", not much to compress"
But here again just for you;):
There is nothing more DV lossless compression, the data size is rather more because the Lossless codec out of uncompressed data, it was meant ...
Antwort von DV Amateur:
If even the 2 euros for a DV tape is too expensive then you should perhaps consider whether the problem lies elsewhere.
Hello Forum, I would indeed like to go to know where you have a mini DV tape for 2 EUR herbekommt? The price will probably (depending on the quality and Manufacturer) between 6 and 13 EUR, or I have in the past a lot of money to the window rausgeworfen ...
My archive consists of a large stack of DVDs on which computer files are written. There is a good argument for the DVD: The playback hardware is still available for decades. Anyone who has ever tried, for his old collection a working 5.25 "floppy drive to get know how important this is. I do not expect the mini-DV camera to the next generations will survive 10 years. And I trust the issue Data retention magnetic save even less than cheap consumer DVDs.
Antwort von Markus:
yes ... I too would like to know where you have a mini DV tape for 2 EUR herbekommt? Meanwhile it is more likely to be ¬ 2.50, for example in 10-pack Panasonic AY-DVM60FE.
... or I have in the past a lot of money to the window rausgeworfen ... Higher tapes cost more logically synonymous. So therefore I would not worry. ;-)
There is a good argument for the DVD: The playback hardware is still available for decades. I disagree. storage medium will always be faster removed by new technologies, so in my opinion in a few years no DVD drives for PCs is expected to give more. - Whether properly so I was, but it will only demonstrate the future.
Furthermore, I trust the issue receiving the data magnetic storage or less than cheap consumer DVDs. Lagerst you put your DV tapes at around the flat tube TV?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... would indeed like to go to know where you have a mini DV tape for 2 EUR herbekommt? ... For Saturn, there are always times again the five-pack Sony Premium for 9,99 Euro, Manufacturer of other similar tapes are usually just forget it.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von TMaekler:
For Media M. I have a few days mini-DV Tapes (5 pack) for 7,90 Euro gekauft.
Greeting
Families / hobby Filmer
Antwort von CLSsupport:
Hi Tobias
I think it's great how you are so persistent after looking for an archiving solution, which for you modern, practical and future-proof appears.
I have looked in the past few days also intensely thought about how I do my MPEG2 videos s.Besten archive the years I have been doing with my Everio.
Through your thread, I have now some information back to the awareness created and some information have helped me.
I also have old VHS-C and data records, which I (eventually :-)) would like to archive. For capturing, I have a USB device of Pinnacle Micro with MPEG4 on the fly encoding option.
At the moment, but I just wanted the mods of the latest Easter Family Records store - prepare (brightness and contrast to improve, partly sharpen, deinterlace, cropping, cutting, perhaps even the deshaken sample) and then for different output media store.
At first, I was again aware that the Everio MOD files as AVI can be renamed and then Media Player inkl sound can be played. The record, however, is optimized for TV with interlaced 25fps and 720x576 interlaced bottom_field_first
So I would initially carry out a baseline Optimization (brightening and simply cut away any bad parts or end s.Anfang) and this material then, instead of the original MOD (MPG2) as a master archive.
This material then can I do now or later, the other optimizations (with deshaker etc) or it will be sometime in years for the usual family reunions or anniversaries, or parts thereof in a SpecialCut used.
The sets should then be cached as MPEG2.
Preparation for viewing:
Using a MPG4 Compression with a decoder (DivX6.8 or Xvid) should then's the files for viewing on the TV or interlaced for viewing s.PC (deinterlaced) or in the future on a non-interlaced HDTV archived. These files can be used with an average bitrate of 700kbps to be written. There are 2 versions halt necessary.
A third version, I would like with the Resolutionvon Web Albums or 320x240 for viewing on the IPAQ / XDA 's (PocketPC / Windows Mobile) devices or synonymous to the SE smartphones such as P1i spoke.
The quality of the final file must be ONLY in the private sector sufficient.
Now I present the following decisions:
- VHS-C and is captured as a DV 13GB per hour saved.
- Will also be captured DV or lossless actually copied and saved as DV.
- Everio MOD files are copied to HDD
- Storage Device for
PreMaster files is a home user of Intel SS4000E NAS with RAID5 with any other 4 SATA HDDs (currently still 4x36GB indoors). Security should be given.
All DV files, I would then also in a more compressed format. Lossless does not mean reduced more, so I set to MPEG2 with appropriate settings of the 13GB / h to about 4GB per hour to come to my so-called
Master Archives to preserve. I then synonymous Archive Master a single material for all 3 recording sources.
In all 3 recording sources synonymous, I would like the brightness and contrast during the conversion to MPEG2 correct now without cropping, deshaking, coloring etc apply.
If the archive material master then my personal requirements in terms of equivalent quality (no significant artifacts) then I would PreMaster designated as 4 fold larger source files.
Settings for MPEG2
The Everio MPEG2 files with GSpot, I have seen that a lot of I frames exist. The keyframe distance is 12 frames. The result is BB IBB-PBB-PBB-PBB IBB-PBB-PBB-PBB etc.
A DivX68 default setting has a default of Keyframedistanz eg 300 frames and used alternately P and B frames. I've reduced to a KFD of at least 25 frames per second when cutting an incision to be.
XviD ISO MPEG-4 has a Keyframedistanz of 300 frames and used exclusively between P frames.
Antwort von DV Amateur:
Meanwhile it is more likely to be ¬ 2.50, for example in 10-pack Panasonic AY-DVM60FE. Fact ... I have always been high-quality Sony DV Excellence used, but the 4-5 times on plays. After the fifth time diving mostly image disorders. If I were a $ 10 tape 5 times to use I could of course synonymous bands take 5 Cheap, but the record only once. Then would be the backup solution synonymous again secured ...
There is a good argument for the DVD: The playback hardware is still available for decades.
I disagree. [...] So it is my opinion in a few years no DVD drives for PCs is expected to give more. In the context of market penetration, which has the DVD, I can not actually imagine. Especially as the likely successor BluRay yes usually synonymous DVDs still read / write. For future cameras, I would oracles times that of non-linear memory as hard to enforce. And whether then in year 2035, a MiniDV drive can perform? In principle, you have quite naturally, because one day each medium is obsolete and is replaced. My great-great-grandchildren must be diligent umkopieren :-)
Antwort von Daigoro:
And whether then in year 2035, a MiniDV drive can perform? In the consumer area, perhaps not.
But the medium is spread far enough that it should give companies who still synonymous in 30-40 years the material to be major storage medium copy get. (yes you can still synonymous let 8mm film digitizers, etc.)
Until then, should / could be considered synonymous More or driving.
1x retain originals
1x on MiniDV volumes umkopieren
1x on quality (Verbatim gold or so) burn DVDs (VideoDVD - then isses halt compressed)
1x large hard drive and everything on it
If it's the whole effort and perhaps $ 200 investment is not worth it, it is synonymous times over, the tapes in his beautiful box in the basement to pack up and move because the next to leave.
(Moreover, when's the last time it read as if the good woman not so mom would have filmed a lot, because her camera was too bulky - 40 bands are but for home use rather remarkable)
Antwort von SusinaBerlin:
Anno 2035, Nostradamus says nothing about MiniDV
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) 1x on quality (Verbatim gold or so) burn DVDs (VideoDVD - then isses halt compressed) (...) What it had previously been synonymous.
Antwort von Daigoro:
What it had previously been synonymous. Jo, also isses not even 'real' DV Avi, if I understand this correctly, but Hi8/Digital 8th Hence, the picture quality in its original form was not so intoxicating, that when you MPG2 compression loses much of it.
When I would Codec synonymous conservative s.die thing rang deal. It is an 'archival' codec - means synonymous, which is in the distant future still somehow play / convert can be.
May well be that one great, innovative codecs on the Internet, but who can guarantee one, which makes it in 5 or 10 years to programs that are out again a picture / video can conjure.
MPG2 seems our thanks to Blu-Ray disc still retained a bit, so I would chance in the distant future synonymous again to see may be higher estimate than some other hip codec of today.
For DV-Avi, the chances are perhaps a bit worse, but at relatively low compression and high penetration of still better than more exotic codecs.
Nuja, but a lot of fun and much success and informed us of the outcome.
Antwort von GeorgeIsOn:
Hello Michael and all others interested!
Hi Tobias
I think it's great how you are so persistent after looking for an archiving solution, which for you modern, practical and future-proof appears.
I have looked in the past few days also intensely thought about how I do my MPEG2 videos s.Besten archive the years I have been doing with my Everio.
Backup is probably one of the (in Öffentlihkeit) neglected topics. And in each area in which data occur.
I was surprised that some of this a few thoughts in this forum do.
The quality of the final file must be ONLY in the private sector sufficient.
I think synonymous. As a private film should be some compromise can.
Now I present the following decisions:
- VHS-C and is captured as a DV 13GB per hour saved.
- Will also be captured DV or lossless actually copied and saved as DV.
- Everio MOD files are copied to HDD
- Storage Device for PreMaster files is a home user of Intel SS4000E NAS with RAID5 with any other 4 SATA HDDs (currently still 4x36GB indoors). Security should be given.
Also, I would always just a backup to file-out media. Even when hard times Interfaces should disappear from the market, you can still fast times umkopieren without compression with losses to employ them.
However, I prefer long-term backup for file-format and container, in which at least well documented. Preferably, however, I freely available (open source) solutions.
XviD ISO MPEG-4 has a Keyframedistanz of 300 frames and used exclusively between P frames.
I'm using (among others) XVID synonymous for long-term archiving (qualitatively less important material). However, I use solutions where you can specify how many B-frames may be used and how much I Frameinterval is. One might therefore only I-frame based coding.
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Antwort von Bernd E.:
... understand the difference between P and B frames are not yet ... Schön evidence is here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_Pictures
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Preferably, however, I freely available (open source) solutions.
If you have enough sense to develop it themselves, this is surely the best solution.
If not, the hazard was relatively large, you on a solution set that someday s.enthusiasmus and lack of support is dropped.
If you look at SourceForge and co. around there are some interesting projects (synonymous relating to video editing and file conversion, etc.), in which years are nothing more happened. : (
Antwort von GeorgeIsOn:
Preferably, however, I freely available (open source) solutions.
If you have enough sense to develop it themselves, this is surely the best solution.
If not, the hazard was relatively large, you on a solution set that someday s.enthusiasmus and lack of support is dropped.
If you look at SourceForge and co. around there are some interesting projects in which years are nothing more happened. : ( Of course you should already have a codec that supports weinigstens in a version 1.0 is documented.
This version will no longer be changed and thus remains for all eternity and nachprogrammierbar documented.
The codec, which I would recommend to come from the extremely active and very popular
FFmpeg
Siehe synonymous: mutlimedia.cx Regards
Lars
Antwort von Daigoro:
The codec, which I would recommend to come from the extremely active and very popular FFmpeg Project, das auf so ziemlich allem lauffähig ist, was einen Processor enthält. Es versucht, alle möglichen and unmöglichen Codecs zu unterstützen and ist damit ziemlich erfolgreich.
Ich weiss, ich motz ma wieder zu viel, aber wenn ich das hier les:
"FFmpeg supporters have donated
1200 ¬ for the completion of the Snow 1.0 specification and a working implementation licensed under the LGPL. "
Then I really lose the faith and humanity and good ideas.
1200 is echt'n little bit of support for such a project.
Antwort von GeorgeIsOn:
Hello Daigoro,
The codec, which I would recommend to come from the extremely active and very popular FFmpeg Project, das auf so ziemlich allem lauffähig ist, was einen Processor enthält. Es versucht, alle möglichen and unmöglichen Codecs zu unterstützen and ist damit ziemlich erfolgreich.
Ich weiss, ich motz ma wieder zu viel, aber wenn ich das hier les:
"FFmpeg supporters have donated 1200 ¬ for the completion of the Snow 1.0 specification and a working implementation licensed under the LGPL. "
Then I really lose the faith and humanity and good ideas.
1200 is echt'n little bit of support for such a project.
what keeps you from, synonymous to donate?
If so much money of only 3 private citizens donated, it is a lot, I think. In any event, more than nothing, Daigoro is not it?
;-)
Lars
Antwort von Daigoro:
what keeps you from, synonymous to donate?
Perhaps the fact that I do not use the codec?
Otherwise, donations are always so ne thing - I prefer NEN paid the agreed price for something, then both me as synonymous with the provider rather served.
Also - ash on my head - I look back to 'my next' (in the biblical sense) and ask me why I have money 'for Weltverbessern' inside and put the ambitious Troete not.
I'm not idealistic enough.
If so much money of only 3 private citizens donated, it is a lot, I think. In any event, more than nothing, Daigoro is not it?
The question is whether's enough. Even Open Source development costs money (in addition to time) and enough projects have been discontinued because the developers as synonymous nor financially reinbuttern had.
Whether it is now 1200 / 3 is much or little - I think at some commercial codecs already pay per license.
Finally, there's way Heise.de in a report that the German Film and Audio heritage dies "because even the large archives is not the material can be archived so that it does not after some time (50 years) will be useless.
Too much effort, too expensive .. sad really.
Antwort von GeorgeIsOn:
I know I ma Motz back too much, but when I use the les here:
"FFmpeg supporters have Donated ¬ 1200 for the completion of the Snow 1.0 specification and a working implementation licensed under the LGPL."
Then I really lose the faith and humanity and good ideas.
1200 is echt'n little bit of support for such a project.
Otherwise, donations are always so ne thing - I prefer NEN paid the agreed price for something, then both me as synonymous with the provider rather served.
Only on small donations to Motzen and then explain why you do not do it yourself.
Sounds _ganz_ not consistent.
But Google may jump into the Prescher and donates
Nothing for ungut.
Lars
Antwort von Daigoro:
Only on small donations to Motzen and then explain why you do not do it yourself.
Sounds _ganz_ not consistent.
I only said I am reluctant to donate and pay directly prefer. The more anonymous the club, so I unlieber donate.
In my club I've ne golden "Patron of the Year" plaque s.der wall. : P
But Google may jump into the Prescher and donates hopefully all 5000 $ for it.
Hmm .. Google. : D
Nothing for ungut.
So I find the discussion interesting so far and have learned many new things.
And of course can be done about commercial products and some completely abstruse 'product policy' of the Manufacturer as many say, as against open source.
Degree and the lack of poor supporters to AVCHD is a disgrace and somehow confuses consumers more than necessary.
