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Frage von City Hunter:
April 2008

Hello,

My raw materials (not HD) had ne length of approximately 11 hours that I am now at 3 hours had cut together, the finished film ends on a DVD, that is why the question of the appropriate format.
However I will also keep the raw material, but as little as possible so that evidence storage. I feel it is important that there is not much visible loss of quality there, cut this material is obviously no longer synonymous, or else I would be in DV format.
What is s.besten for such a purpose to recommend?



Antwort von muco:

Hello

as a dv-avi back at band's or on disk (if external)

gruss rob



Antwort von ef.multimedia:

If you do not tape archive synonymous and did not 2TB hard drive, then DV-AVI would be rather inappropriate. Give it time with Mpeg2. Then you have about 2GB per film in a reasonable quality.








Antwort von disko:

"City Hunter" wrote:

However I will also keep the raw material, but as little as possible so that evidence storage. I feel it is important that there is not much visible loss of quality there, cut this material is obviously no longer synonymous, or else I would be in DV format.
What is s.besten for such a purpose to recommend?


For archive purposes, I would deprive xvidvorbis mkv. Das ist platzsparend, erzielt gute Compression bei guter Qualität and ist sehr gut dokumentiert.
Das sichert eine Abspielbarkeit synonymous noch nach Jahrzehnten.

Grüße
Lars

PS: Wenn xvidsnow


Antwort von Quadruplex:

"City Hunter" wrote:
What is s.besten for such a purpose to recommend?

What is the source material? DV?



Antwort von disko:

I see no alternative than to secure it where it came from is nähmlich the tape.



Antwort von disko:

Hello,

"Anonymous" wrote:
I see no alternative than to secure it where it came from is nähmlich the tape.


then you have but synonymous to ensure that the tapes "later" when that is always synonymous, nor play.
See synonymous here.

Regards
Lars



Antwort von PowerMac:

A film with three hours duration?
What is it?



Antwort von disko:

@ Host
MiniDV plays in any case in 20 years even if it still Calculator in its present form there, I dare to doubt



Antwort von disko:

"Anonymous" wrote:
@ Host
MiniDV plays in any case in 20 years even if it still Calculator in its present form there, I dare to doubt


If one in 20 years someone will find that is still a functioning MiniDV drive: clear. The tape holds well under the circumstances for so long. And find someone a computer with a FireWire interface and appropriate cables suitable ...

You mean the Von Neumann architecture disappears and thus the possibility of synonymous files, or what is meant by that calculator in the future other forms?

File-saving has been the beginnings of the computer one of the most secure storage facilities.

One imposes an attempt Datasette times, or how these things were called, one in front of C64 does not even play 20 years. Have fun.

Regards
Lars



Antwort von disko:

Then you could now until all eternity argue, the fact is half of 5 years ago created programs and no longer runs due to new developments synonymous with so many disappeared or codec incompatibilities.
The private man is difficult.
Certainly, only the pension.



Antwort von PowerMac:

"Anonymous" wrote:
(...) The private man is difficult. (...)


And I have a back.








Antwort von disko:

@ And I have a back.

And what does it mean to German



Antwort von muco:

hello again ....

I think the discussion about the future playability of archived data as funny as abstruse!

when the last news so you could read my s.einem certain date, there is suddenly no band playing equipment / camcorder, no computer disks and no more and that another, new, medium, system or device.

my knowledge has led to ninth time an instance of where s.31.12. a medium and s.01.01 disappeared. another was introduced (not even in the disks and CDs!) ... So hear it with this - with all due respect - Discussion on absurd! there will always be a transition period zw give new and old ... who then failed because it is the example of his old data to the new medium / system to play itself is to blame (for example, then floppy -> CD) ... and that is here in this thread is not synonymous

it is possible to lossless (hence dv-avi = 1:1 and no divx, mpeg or other) storing of 3 h Rohfilm (max = ca 36 GB) .... 36 GB is really not the world for today's hard disk sizes ... st or 3 bands of 60 min ... and I am sure the can be in the next 3, 5 or 8 years with security on yet another new medium to play on and secure ;-))

gruss rob



Antwort von disko:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Then you could now until all eternity argue, the fact is half of 5 years ago created programs and no longer runs due to new developments synonymous with so many disappeared or codec incompatibilities.


Then write it out the platform on which these programs were running, but probably only on poorly documented, closed-source operating systems, right?
Programs that are no longer running, but is no preference as long as there are replacement programs, which then created the data may represent.
The data are very important and their interpretation. How the data was created is irrelevant.

Incidentally, the Programs of the C64, the file-stored on floppy disks, you can still get on modern hard disks and find the suitable C64 emulator as well.
C64 was still holding well documented!

Regards
Lars



Antwort von disko:

"muco" wrote:
[...] I think the discussion about the future playability of archived data as funny as abstruse!
[...] Those who missed it since then, eg, the dates of his old to the new medium / system to play itself is to blame
[...] And I'm sure to leave then in the next 3, 5 or 8 years with security on yet another new medium to play on and secure ;-))

gruss rob


And who does the dubbing then really synonymous? That means really unproductive, time-consuming action. And then again, we are facing the same problem and ask yourself again: what store?

Why bypasses this need not just of the beginning and tried so far-as possible to act?
Is but a superior values matter and I believe little abstruse!

Regards
Lars



Antwort von ef.multimedia:

"Anonymous" wrote:
@ And I have a back.

And what does it mean to German


Keyword "Horst Sludges", Schätzelein!



Antwort von muco:

hallo lars

"And who does the dubbing then really synonymous?" ... making of which the data are important!

"That means really unproductive, time-consuming action." ... why? you have to play through it one way or do you want it to have a new medium

"And then again, we are facing the same problem and ask yourself again: what store?" ... you know now what it has in 10 years? do you want it now on / in a little store / archive it until 5 or 10 years there?

"Why, this bypasses the need of not just the first attempt and so far-as possible to act?" ... ask: what farsighted in terms? farsighted is with me when I'm in as good NOW quali NOW current in a medium / format to save it then introduce a new secure.

gruss rob



Antwort von disko:

Hi Rob,

"muco" wrote:
"That means really unproductive, time-consuming action." ... why? you have to play through it one way or do you want it to have a new medium


"one way or another," is such a thing.
There is a difference whether I'll quickly move a folder / copy, or an external switch must Geraffel together, and then possibly synonymous nor a (possibly lossy) format change (DV - HDV - AVCHD XYZ) to be, right?

"muco" wrote:

"And then again, we are facing the same problem and ask yourself again: what store?" ... you know now what it has in 10 years? do you want it now on / in a little store / archive it until 5 or 10 years there?


Even then, it will still file-storage, which is obviously with the computer are connected. In what ways and means plays no role, since the operating system which abstracts.

"muco" wrote:

"Why, this bypasses the need of not just the first attempt and so far-as possible to act?" ... ask: what farsighted in terms? farsighted is with me when I'm in as good NOW quali NOW current in a medium / format to save it then introduce a new secure.


Exactly!
Only you should already be aware, the copy will work as low as possible to be.

And always at the backup Acht!

Regards
Lars



Antwort von City Hunter:

Hello,

Had forgotten to mention that I of course for archive purposes synonymous DV tapes will be retained, since they do not cost the earth, but to me it is synonymous with the raw material is that it is ready s.Computer I had times when I myself the deleted Szenes nochmal anschauen will.
Sies purposes to tell me the answers so far, it appears that XVIX or MPEG2 s.besten would be suitable.



Antwort von disko:

"City Hunter" wrote:

Sies purposes to tell me the answers so far, it appears that XVID or MPEG2 s.besten would be suitable.


But these are two different video codecs, and XVID with the same quality much better compression. There are now even DVD player, which XVID (unfortunately only for AVI) can play.

The best test.
Take a look and see you both on what is better for you.

Regards
Lars








Antwort von Markus:

"City Hunter" wrote:
Sies purposes to tell me the answers so far, it appears that XVIX or MPEG2 s.besten would be suitable.

I would be the compression format of the possible application of the condition. MPEG2 demonstrated even more storage capacity, but it is much easier to edit if you want to be again. Xvid / Divx (XVIX ";-) is rather a kind of digital format and thus is usually not much.



Antwort von City Hunter:

The XVID when I have prescribed is synonymous subsequently struck me, why would not an extra thread unstop.
What is the best freeware program to play videos in AVI or MPEG2 convert?



Antwort von disko:

"Mark" wrote:

MPEG2 demonstrated even more storage capacity, but it is much easier to edit if you want to be again.


How do you react? Why is this easier to edit?
That's just a matter of computer speed and the availability of programs. Today, both probably no more argument.

"Mark" wrote:

Xvid / Divx (XVIX ";-) is rather a kind of digital format and thus is usually not much.


That's true just as synonymous for MPEG2!

Regards
Lars



Antwort von disko:

"City Hunter" wrote:
What is the best freeware program to play videos in AVI or MPEG2 convert?


Trying it out avidemux.
Die haben sogar ein Wiki avidemux.
Die haben sogar ein
Good luck
Lars




Antwort von DWUA:

The best software is still a good pillow.
;)



Antwort von Markus:

"Lars" wrote:
Why is [mpeg2] easier to process [as divx]?

The more compressed a video format is, the worse it can post-process and the greater the potential difficulties. In principle, it is true that after you edit DivX synonymous, but many users complain about in this context, the problems with Picture-/Tonsynchronität who often do not get solved. Such things would be for me a no-go and thus beyond.

I have not checked in every aspect, because DV images I do not compress in any other format, but save them unchanged. Then it's just a question of memory capacity (which is not more expensive) and I will spare with any other problems.



Antwort von dennzus:

"Mark" wrote:
"Lars" wrote:
Why is [mpeg2] easier to process [as divx]?

The more compressed a video format is, the worse it can post-process and the greater the potential difficulties.


Define "worse"!
"possible problems" is synonymous not very precise. Examples?
That seems to me a very subjective perception on your part. Technically, I see no reason for this.

Geüße
Lars



Antwort von Markus:

For highly detailed and philosophical discussions here are responsible for other users. ;-)

If you have a feasible way for hochkomprimierte format or you live with the restrictions may or may not be synonymous to the right is so high (which I am not negative), then it is okay.



Antwort von dennzus:

After the thread creator "backup" just because he wants them to want to s.and Divx & Co is very useful









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