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Frage von ereshkigal:
April 2009

Hello,

the interior architecture faculty of our university wants to get a purchase. (Because even not heard about this, I as a "specialist" * haha * been mentioned.)

I suspect that with the camera mainly presentations will be filmed, as well as closeups of the constructed models, which then small demos gebastelt be.

Because the potential users of the camera to quite a layman, it is easy handling, transmitting and processing the highest priority.

The department has no idea of the technique, do not really have a price ( "somewhat 500 as 1000 euros), they want an" easy-to-use camera with good quality. "

I think here is synonymous something under 400 euros, do you not?


DV as Aufzeichungstechnik is excluded, which is simply too complicated. Whether it is HDD or SDHC imho but then no preference.

It's getting harder for the resolution: DV-PAL? HD-ready? Full-HD?
In order to further talks everything for DV-PAL, when the "customer" especially with Windows Movie Maker and other simple programs work. Forward-looking and "good quality" is something else, so I tend to have classical HDV.


I wonder: a Camera with a lot of potential (HF100) or an entry-level familiarization Camera (FS100, GZ-MG330) buy? Tend to the latter, a HF100 in the fall like pearls before swine - overwhelmed is the "client" even!

Can you give me a few simple camera models suggest?
JVC Everio GZ-MG330?
Samsung VP-HMX10C?
Canon FS100?

While Battery, image quality and potential of AL-bad are not abnormal, it can's be ignored.



Antwort von beiti:

"ereshkigal" wrote:
In order to further talks everything for DV-PAL, [...] the way forward and "good quality" is something else, so I tend to have classical HDV.
Both DV HDV as synonymous, there is in that price range only on cassette. If tape recording is not desired, so both formats are out.

Quote:
I wonder: a Camera with a lot of potential (HF100) or an entry-level familiarization Camera (FS100, GZ-MG330) buy? Tend to the latter, a HF100 in the fall like pearls before swine - overwhelmed is the "client" even!
I see as synonymous. The format of an MPEG2-FS100, etc. should be easy with today's computers nachzubearbeiten - as long as the "client" just a video DAC, but at least no computer is DAU. :)

If the FS100 is (on the other, I can not say), I would possibly have a Battery Charger and an external schedule. And if you really Presentations will be filmed, would be a tripod or a good supplement.



Antwort von ereshkigal:

"beiti" wrote:
"ereshkigal" wrote:
In order to further talks everything for DV-PAL, [...] the way forward and "good quality" is something else, so I tend to have classical HDV.
Both DV HDV as synonymous, there is in that price range only on cassette. If tape recording is not desired, so both formats are out.
Hm .. I do not understand. Störst you s.den terms? "HDV" I use the meaning of higher dissolved video material, such as 1280x720, full frame. And there's for under EUR400, -. And not on tape.

Quote:
If the FS100 is (on the other, I can not say), I would possibly have a Battery Charger and an external schedule. And if you really Presentations will be filmed, would be a tripod or a good supplement.
I see as synonymous. Is often forgotten that such a purchase or consequential, so that the camera "really" use it.


Else someone has a recommendation on a specific model?





Antwort von Bernd E.:

"ereshkigal" wrote:
... "HDV" I use the meaning of higher dissolved video material, such as 1280x720, full frame. And there's for under EUR400, -. And not on tape ...

This creates misunderstandings: HDV - actually HDV1 and HDV2 - are precisely defined format with tape recording and no generic term for all high-resolution video - that would be "HD". In detail, you will find it here says: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Definition_Video



Antwort von ereshkigal:

Good good good.


Now I have a few specific questions:


1. Be SDHC synonymous sticks of common card reader read?

2. Can you normally cameras with high resolution (eg, Samsung VP-HMX10C with 1280x720) on the low DV PAL resolution change?

3. MPEG2 VS H.264, regarding "easy handling" - do I decide the only afterwards, with what OS will be more work?



beiti has already been quite positive about the Canon FS100 reported that someone has information about my other two favorites? Or other models ready?

Samsung VP-HMX10C (Digital) - 360, --
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a317298.html?v=l

JVC Everio GZ-MS100 silver (Digital) - 220, --
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a344538.html?v=l



Antwort von beiti:

At 1) Yes, if the Card Reader SDHC dominated (can virtually all newer). For some older models, there are firmware updates. Otherwise the cost of a new reader is not the synonymous world.

At 2) That is not with all camcorders. For example, my Canon HF100 HD only dominates resolutions (1920x1080 or 1440x1080), while some of Sony's synonymous to SD Resolution720x576 (but then in MPEG2) can turn down.

With Samsung HD camcorders, I would be very careful, they dominate in Europe, neither the usual 50-Hz format, nor is it one of the most popular video standards. It may be regarded to SD resolution (720x480 at 59.94 fps) down, but this is the American NTSC standard and it is not without jerky conversion to PAL standard DVD burn. In addition, there are only a few editing programs that use the special format (it is H.264, but not AVCHD) dominate.

On 3) It is mainly a question of computing power. H.264 need significantly more of them for editing and playback. The OS has nothing to do.

The Samsung VP-HMX10C, I would, as I said, very quickly of the list. The JVC Everio GZ-MS100 is, however, PAL built in MPEG2 and perhaps an alternative to the Canon FS100:
http://www.slashcam.de/info/Qualitativ-bessere-Alternative-zu-JVC-Everio-GZ-MS100-315025.html



Antwort von ereshkigal:

Cool, thanks for the reply.


Quote:
It is mainly a question of computing power. H.264 need significantly more of them for editing and playback. The OS has nothing to do.
Well, I thought H.264 codec are MOV files, and MPEG2 files just MPG. And MOV running but not without "extra power" (quicktime) on virgin Windos.
Sure, everything ne question of installed codecs! But as Mac users (many) problems with DivX (or similar), so there's on Win PCs problems with MOVs.


If I now someone can tell what the JVC Everio GZ-MG330 40Euro makes more expensive than the GZ-MS100, then I'm happy!



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
Well, I thought H.264 codec are MOV files, and MPEG2 files just MPG.
You do not believe what unusual combinations of codecs and container formats are. In an AVI or WMF (Windows) can be varied drinstecken codecs - just like in a MOV (Mac).
The codecs MPEG2 and H.264 (MPEG4) can turn into different containers stuck.
The files that a memory card records, are mostly system-independent container format, neither yet MOV AVI. Around my Canon HF100 delivers files with the extension MTS.



Antwort von ereshkigal:

Okok, true, I actually knew at some point already, hehe.

Quote:
The files that a memory card records, are mostly system-independent container format, neither yet MOV AVI.
Ne idea why this is so?

The incredibly annoying in any case! Because I just wanted to avoid, I thought it would not be too much to ask, if the file returns, which I verwursten directly, without the need to first convert! Trouble!

The FS100 and GZ-MS100 deliver yes MOD files that I simply can rename to MPG.
GZ-MG 330 is out, the stores only to HDD and microSD expensive.



Antwort von beiti:

"ereshkigal" wrote:
Because I just wanted to avoid, I thought it would not be too much to ask, if the file returns, which I verwursten directly, without the need to first convert! Trouble!
You have nothing to convert. You just need to make sure that your editing program the appropriate format. I'm using, for example, Edius Neo, and I can MTS or MOD files directly on the timeline drag. Everything else would indeed be annoying. The Practical s.Speicherkarten camcorders is precisely that you use the files directly (although it often with AVCHD s.der computing power and a failed conversion "encouraged" gets, but this is a transient problem).

The fact that the camera manufacturers use their own container, with security is not a disadvantage. AVI and MOV would be far less universal, because Microsoft then would lock against MOV to AVI and Apple. ;)

Quote:
The FS100 and GZ-MS100 deliver yes MOD files that I simply can rename to MPG.
That you need only if you use a player, the MOD does not understand. But the newer programs should be cut so it can be synonymous.




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