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Erfahrung mit Festplatten-Camcorder?

Experience with hard camcorder?



Frage von Manfred bawü:
Dezember 2006

Dear Slashcam community,

I want videos in good Picture and sound quality (interviews, panel discussions, sports events) and they produced for viewing on the Web provide. Can you give me one of the two hard disks of JVC camcorder (Everio GZ MG 505) or of Sony (HDR-SR1E) recommend?

Danke schon mal

Manfred



Antwort von beiti:

To view the picture, I would not worry too much if s.Ende anyway a highly compressed Web video that is being made. What can we Resolutionund 16:9 HD should do, seems more than questionable. Good SD in 4:3 would be the first choice.

Why must there any hard drive be? Because of the long season?

Most thought I would like to have to make the recording, especially since in interviews and discussions, the speech intelligibility is very important.



Antwort von Manfred bawü:

Thank you once for the swift reply. hard drive because I take a step saves. I can film directly via USB to the PC and prefer a little editing.

Sound quality: At least the Sony is there a connection for an external Micro, and so we should actually synonymous cable about the sound at a panel discussion directly s.der facility can tap.








Antwort von megalutzi:

Hello,
"Manfred bawü" wrote:
I can film directly via USB to the PC and prefer a little editing.


exactly what the problem is mainly with hard camcorders. The save in mpeg2 or another compression standard. And of these should actually be aware that you are not necessarily good handle.
So I do not capture the loss of time than otherwise would have to convert, or I would have a significant performance loss when editing.
Search here but something in the forum, because you will surely find it.

For Sound:
So the sound at a panel discussion of the plant and then tap into the micro-plug connection of a camcorder, I would not do. You have no gain control, do not know when it is overdriven.



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
At least the Sony is there a connection for an external Micro, and so we should actually synonymous cable about the sound at a panel discussion directly s.der facility can tap.
It can be an attenuator to increase the line-level mixer s.den from the microphone input of your camcorder to adapt. If the camcorder does not allow manual audio control, however, is a gamble. Can work - or not synonymous. The risks include clipping noise and unpredictable, and the connection with the jack of Sonyist only asymmetrically and in this case synonymous nor microphone level is reduced.
(I myself have learned my pay: A theatrical performance with an external Microphone filmed in advance at home and everything durchprobiert favorable, then the spot suddenly an irregular buzz in the direction noted.)

I would today, in such cases a separate recording device s.mixer can run, which remains conservative gepegelt (ie prefer to just be too high). The sound, I would later create Picture ans. Is of course a bit of overtime in the post.

Keyword Post: How megalutzi already wrote, this is just with Festplattencamcordern not so simple. Were it an affordable HDD camcorder, which is a common interface format such as DV-AVI recording, I would immediately accessible. Is there but unfortunately not.

With the Sonybekommst you a note in the new AVCHD format, for which there is virtually no possibility of native post. It is an MPEG4 datastream into anamophotischen 1440 x 1080 pixels, which you for further processing in an editable format must, for example, DV-AVI. (In years 1 o'clock-2 o'clock there will be synonymous for AVCHD editing software, but until then it just goes with conversion.)
The conversion is expected as long as the restore from a tape camcorder, so that the scheduled time advantage and then, you much more synonymous disk space unnecessarily. Later you have the finished film in a web format.

Something better, it looks to the JVC. Its MPEG-2 format is the current average of some programs, so that for processing a transformation of the data is not compulsory. As long as you no long-term effects (eg through letters fade, color, etc.) do, you can run the MPEG2 format very neatly cut and s.Ende use basis, without further intermediate step, directly from the editing software is a Web format spend. Loss of quality, there are only around the interface (because of the GOP structure of MPEG2) and of course, screens, flashes, etc.

The simplest, most flexible and (bottom line) synonymous fastest post offer still ordinary DV camcorder. The import of the material in real time is annoying, but you must not put beside and watch. If the material is only in the calculator, it's all the faster because a lot of computer processing requires less processing power than MPEG-2 editing. Less loss of quality in color, etc. There are so anyway.



Antwort von Tersil:

Have many thanks for all your hints. I am now of the hard disks and camcorders abandoned me something to concentrate on the SonyFX 7th

Manfred



Antwort von beiti:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Have many thanks for all your hints. I am now of the hard disks and camcorders abandoned me something to concentrate on the SonyFX 7th
The FX7 is not synonymous DV Camera (HDV but with MPEG2), but it might be used to output data directly when it comes to rapid post goes. However, I wonder why it is then a HDV camcorder to be. For Web video, you'll not do better than DV.

Small intermediate question - is not synonymous evil of you: Did you actually times with the various formats such as DV, MPEG, HDV, AVCHD etc. apart? And with the aspect ratios 4:3 and 16:9? And the finishing options, so the way to the finished product?
Your current choice (with MPEG2 HDD, HDD with AVCHD, HDV now) is somewhat arbitrary to me before, especially in relation to your intended use.



Antwort von manfred baw:

Hello Beiti,

I stand only because s.Anfang and do not know quite what I should take. In the shops you get no real guidance, and now I am on Slashcam attention. A really good site. Well, you advise me to a DV Camera. Do you have a tip then synonymous, which for my purpose?

Manfred



Antwort von beiti:

Let's look very forward of s.and we consider the matter of the outcome of her.
You write above them that you record events on the Web and want to provide.

Is this web-publication of the sole or primary purpose, or are otherwise synonymous recordings analyzed (eg, burned to DVD, somewhere public for private viewing ...)?

How and in what quality do you want the images on the web? Do you have your own webspace, or do you want one of the most popular video portals use?
Do you have an idea of what quality the present state of technology is achieved (eg, 500 kbps for DSL users, such as the ARD Tagesschau stream)?

Maybe not quite synonymous unimportant: How long should the videos, which you ultimately want online?

Do you have relevant previous experience, or is your first encounter with the medium of video, anyway?

Do you have computer and web design experience, so you already know, with whatever software you want to work, or is the entire workflow of the recording and encoding on average up to upload to a server for you a book with seven seals?



Antwort von manfred ba:

[quote = "beiti"]

Is this web-publication of the sole or primary purpose, or are otherwise synonymous recordings analyzed (eg, burned to DVD, somewhere public for private viewing ...)?

Yes, I would already like to burn to DVD. But this is a story that I will address later. Also optional. First, I want to max. Four-minute video on the Web provide. The aims (short-) about reports over the town hall, carnival parades and other "highlights", panel discussions, short interviews (in a small studio) or his sport. So local reporting synonymous video.

How and in what quality do you want the images on the web?

Tagesschau stream and Spiegel Online. Picture and sound quality should be even semi-professional.

Do you have your own webspace, or do you want one of the most popular video portals use?

Have your own webspace.

Maybe not quite synonymous unimportant: How long should the videos, which you ultimately want online?

Max four minutes (better two or three), so short reports.

Do you have relevant previous experience, or is your first encounter with the medium of video, anyway?

One is always the first time possessions but with experience across the web - except video. Everything else is available. New video is recording, editing and conversion.



Antwort von beiti:

Then the next question: Should it be 4:3 or 16:9 format? Do you need HD (high resolution, such as HDV or AVCHD) or SD is sufficient (eg DV)?

Here my proposal:
It is useful to focus on 4:3 SD only. For Web video, I see no advantage in 16:9-format (and for streaming HD brings in news quality eh nothing).
Thus I have a DV camcorder to select semi-variety, especially with regard to the question of the sound recording would be a model with a manual of Tonaussteuerung advantage. I think s.Geräte of the type of SonyVX2100 (ca. 2500 ¬) or Canon XM2 (about 1700 ¬). When considering the price is always synonymous to think that in addition to the camcorder still s.accessories will be required (tripod, microphones, cables, possibly XLR adapter for professional microphones, evtl.Funkstrecke). The price of the camcorder is only the beginning.

Camcorders with HD Resolutionwären only useful if you want 16:9-format and / or later on the quality of a DVD will also grow. Then it would have to consider whether you immediately have to cut in HD, or whether it was initially synonymous editing in DV quality is doing (which is for web-video and DVD in each case is sufficient).

Next step is the choice of an appropriate editing software. Depending on how far your claims go, it is sufficient here already have a beginner software like Premiere Elements or Pinnacle Studio. These programs are fairly complete and contain Encoder for different web format and MPEG2 / DVD. So you can if you want, all "end products" directly from the editing program output.
Sometimes it is better to spend the same film (in the case of DV would be the DV-AVI format) and this then in a separate encoder to process (eg Real or Windows Media Encoder Encoder). This is among the intricacies of the workflow.
A further decision will be what web format you want to use (Windows Media, Real Media, Quicktime). It has compatibility with a lot of considerations to be done. Windows Media is currently s.weitesten distributed, because the player to the Microsoft operating system installs. The achievable quality is the same data gbei with Real Media but later (at least claimed VAD).

The simplest connection between camcorder and computer via a Firewire cable. If your calculator does not have Firewire jack, you have as a PCI card to retrofit. Better synonymous camcorder can play a return of the films on tape, ie you can cut the finished films in original quality back to DV tape off and archived.



Antwort von Manfred bawü:

Well, now I'm already doing all of next. Thank you. I will look at the two cameras look here or in the forum a few details about intermediaries. Probably this is a matter of faith (though the Canon - I believe - has a bigger zoom), which of the two cameras you can take. So thank you.

Regards

Manfred








Antwort von Jan:

Beiti has first-class advice. We take in our forum synonymous RealPlayer, although not all immediately on the calculator has, but good quality.

With the FX 7 I filmed today synonymous for WebVideo & DVD burning but too expensive & & relatively useless, although its CMOS sensors in terms of film of light sources are interesting, and hardly any smear effects. Schön das man with a spotlight on the singer of this tape completely synonymous can see without a light "bar" it is hidden.

Manual Tonausteuerung for interviews, however, is already mandatory for me, not a MG 505 or SR 1st

The time of the SR 1 may still come, but rather only for his paintings as well and cheaply as possible on a high-resolution panel will consider, for you will really do nothing.

It will be the same again s.Ende cameras called - simply fit for you s.Besten - wenns ne current should be, I would you really recommend SonyVX 2100, when the budget is less XM 2 and wenns ¬ 1000 may not exceed the GS 500.

With the latter, I have long filmed, and at least if not too dark which can be synonymous with more expensive measure. I was always synonymous satisfied that the sound level of the display was so synonymous really was - Canon was often not the case, which played sound synonymous, the GS 500 very good-natured opposite.

Wide Angled The GS 500 is very mixed, the lack of headphone output is synonymous annoying. Nevertheless for me max 1000 ¬ a recommendation, because we in our forum for web videos synonymous with her have begun.

If more money is there - the VX 2100 now! But how Beiti said the accessories cost another force ...

VG
Jan



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
Probably this is a matter of faith (though the Canon - I believe - has a bigger zoom), which of the two cameras you can take.
Not entirely a matter of faith. The Sony power unquestionably the better pictures in low light conditions (which is not to say that the Canon would be useless here). Moreover, the real Sonyeinen line-input for the sound, what's good for the removal of clay from the mixer would. However, the extra cost compared to the Canon very much, so I imagine it would be about twice.

Who has the bigger zoom is rather uninteresting. This is just like megapixels in digital cameras in cars or PS: Everyone thinks he needs more, but hardly anyone can do more useful advantage. ;)



Antwort von Jan:

Find synonymous, I, I did despite 20 x opt. Zoom synonymous only about 10x max needed despite determined 30 m to the stage - not nachgemessen habs.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus:

"beiti" wrote:
Who has the bigger zoom is rather uninteresting.

Exactly, you have to find the focal longer look when it goes for more telephoto.

From my own experience I can say that in theater recordings usually requires no special tele. Transferring of lectures on a canvas can do depending on the distance between speakers and camcorder but quite interesting, so that not only delivers American settings. - Or you can set in such a case an additional telephoto lens On.

In everyday life, but rather the wide range of camcorder asked.



Antwort von Jan:

Well, the bad but not 20 times, if really good 30m away, may already have a 20x optical for a shot & near cessation of benefits.

Even for a small depth of sharpness with want to work, it is sometimes of advantage, but not more favorable to the small consumer cameras with small sensor case.

You have not yet mentioned, about what you want to spend?

VG
Jan



Antwort von Mila:

hallo zusammen.
How is it with the hard camcorders can edit using Adobe Premiere or is there a problem?
Have strong interest s.den Sony HDD Cam, but would like to continue with my program the films premiere edit!
Has anyone tips with video editing programs?



Antwort von Broeky:

I have a JVC of. The files are in. Auf.Die MOD files, you must first convert before you edit it.




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