Frage von Frank B.:
Hello forum participants,
in another thread, I have the question already asked, but so far no answer. So again s.dieser body.
Is it possible the new HDV camcorder with HDMI output, such as the SonyFX 7, as a firewire to HDMI converter to use? So like before the digital-analog conversion at camcorders with DV - In, just digitally and in HDV resolution.
Synonymous s.anderen am interested in this possibility. Are there any external converters, this may or graphics cards that have HDMI s.einen preview monitor can be connected.
graphics cards with HDMI, I have already researched a few, but do not know how the quality is so over. The S-video outputs of many graphics cards were not necessarily synonymous quality for output on a control monitor suitable.
friendly greetings Frank
Antwort von PowerMac:
From Firewire (HDV) to HDMI does not work that way. No computer can be a correct GOP-structure of many clips in real time to create, especially since so constantly manipulated. Such a change in the camcorder is only for I-frame-only codec.
Antwort von Frank B.:
PowerMac Hello,
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm technically not so well versed, so please have a little bit with me See, when I was not immediately understand. Again that is a demand:
I understand you correctly, that the processing of HDV MPEG2 stream to the timeline before the final rendering of the finished film did not at the DV output is present, or do you mean that an external conversion of DV (HDV) to HDMI is not possible?
Frank
Antwort von PowerMac:
The former. The computer must have the timeline until quite render. Then the output of HDV via Firewire to HDMI possible.
Antwort von Frank B.:
Aha ...
Thank you very much! You see, I have not yet worked with HDV.
Now I stand still facing the problem - How do I get a high-quality preview of an HDMI - LCD monitor go?
Frank
Antwort von HDMi:
Blackmagig with the HDMI I / O Card
http://www.decklink.com/products/intensity/
Antwort von Alpinist:
graphics cards with HDMI, I have already researched a few, but do not know how the quality is so over. The S-video outputs of many graphics cards were not necessarily synonymous quality for output on a control monitor suitable. HDMI is a
natives FormatDVI-HDMI adapter natives Format
The HDV with the new rendering and have not really understood. Even if I just cut the video (without effects, transitions, etc) I have nothing new but it can render natively same issue again ...
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Antwort von PowerMac:
Nope! Imagine the HDV material but sometimes. From s.ein and I-frame. In between, many among depenente B-and P-frames, in order to prevent Redudanzen. If you now cut clips and do move, then there is no uniform structure GOP anymore. All relative P-and B-frames you must (t) s re-calculated and in dependence on the new i-Frame it and behind it. Otherwise, data can only refuse to come out. When a B-frame with a static setting a meadow, which is almost identical with its predecessor I-frame and do it s.eine new job, for example s.das B-frame for the change to a face, then There is no more dependency and it can not work. Therefore, each video program in MPEG-2 Cuts between the extremely strong (!) Calculate and render s.Schluss. IMX is the exception, since this is an I-frame based MPEG-2 option. MPEG-2 is and was intended as a distribution compression. At the end of output can be highly dependent compress.
Lest euch doch mal by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2
http://www.mpeg2.de/doc/mpuo05/mpuo05.htm
Antwort von PowerMac:
Incidentally native editing itself has strong quality loss!
Antwort von Frank B.:
Thank you again all the answers first. I feel I s.vielen bodies the technical prerequisites for understanding of the subject are missing. With graphics cards I had previously cut the DV rather than employing only lately, since I use Liquid Edition, which is the rendering of certain graphics cards is supported.
The Blackmagic Intensity: Here I read that it only reads uncompressed / outputs. To do this I need calculator, my budget at the moment would explode. Moreover, I would not like to change and of LE do not know whether the software supports the card.
graphics cards in total: Does this mean that I will preview s.einer graphics card and can tap s.einem Monitor with HDMI Resolutionund in full color can look? So far, I have the (analog outputs s.den graphics cards) never hingekriegt. If it were somehow, what is it with the application in dual monitor mode, which I no longer want to miss. Does a graphics card or 3 outputs of the calculator, a second graphics card?
Does anyone out there an HDV - Editing System with Liquid Edition s.laufen already that my above claims would? What hardware do you have that installed?
Frank
Antwort von Alpinist:
Therefore, each video program in MPEG-2 Cuts between the extremely strong (!) Calculate and render s.Schluss. Nope, we s.Cut the new keyframe is created and rendered nothing new. GOP argument although I understand, it can be s.meinem experience of my job is not confirmed. New rendering for me would be about four times the amount of time, the native output lasts only as long as the copy of the file.
Incidentally native editing itself has strong quality loss! Nope, when I look at the source Endmaterial look like, or I do not see the same shortcomings. Otherwise it would be synonymous not a native editing, but a Recodierung (and then with heavy loss of quality would entail).
graphics cards in total: Does this mean that I will preview s.einer graphics card and can tap s.einem Monitor with HDMI Resolutionund in full color can look? Yes, a DVI output goes completely (Justification and Explanation see above).
If it were somehow, what is it with the application in dual monitor mode, which I no longer want to miss. Does a graphics card or 3 outputs of the calculator, a second graphics card? Depends strongly of your system (in particular motherboard). You could either provide a second card in parallel (depending of the current map; keyword: SLI or Crossfire) or a
PCI card
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Antwort von PowerMac:
But this is so. Imagine the GOP in the spirit of times before and think through. It can not be otherwise. Pure logic. How is a B-frame, the I's and P were taken, synonymous work? Either this B-frame is itself I-frame or the relatively recent I-frame, the entire B-frame re-encoded. And after him any further. Until next I-frame. Because B-and P-frames s.sich useless! In the worst case, the entire timeline is relatively new coded. If synonymous in the background.
It does not four times as long. Anyway, each cutting with MPEG-2-with the inevitable GOP Rekodierung large parts of the material.
Antwort von Alpinist:
Pure logic. If you had read above, desertlike you that I have done in the THEORY is not synonymous questioning.
If synonymous in the background. I can very well be different, if my calculator is idle or not and what actions they are carrying.
It does not four times as long. A Recodierung of HDV material s.meinem Calculator lasts just as long. It's only a 2.66 Ghz. Numbercrunching takes hold computing power.
Anyway, each cutting with MPEG-2-with the inevitable GOP Rekodierung large parts of the material. Well and this is practically nothing I can confirm, since neither used nor computation for the inevitable differences in quality show.
And now I have viewed your sources accurately and there is every GOP may be different. That means that only the mur 'chopped' GOP will be restored - not all of the following. Therefore, the burden of not more than 14 newly rendered frames in the GOP is not relevant. Is crucial that all other natively, ie unchanged.
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Antwort von Gast1:
In connection with the editing of "GOP-material" and the possible loss of quality or their Height, there are obviously many more, some have very different opinions.
Here one of the more professional Posts: http://data.memberclicks.com/site/hopa/Long-GOP_Editing_-_Apple_Computer.pdf
Antwort von PowerMac:
Nothing else I say. I cut both DVCProHD HDV as synonymous with FCS 5.1. Only by elaborate mechanisms to save power. Nevertheless, it is necessary to render large parts s.Schluss. Afaik, the GOP structure correctly and always constant. You can not just between brief.
Antwort von Frank B. als Gast:
The HDV with the new rendering and have not really understood. Even if I just cut the video (without effects, transitions, etc) I have nothing new but it can render natively same issue again ...
Hello mountaineer,
this means that you, as opposed to Powermac during the processing in the Teimline (ie without final rendering) a s.der Firewire HDV signal input jack have?
Frank
Antwort von Alpinist:
Only by elaborate mechanisms to save power. You will agree with me that if I tell you, the Pinnacle Studio 10.6 Pros certainly not the high-end algorithms has implemented.
Nevertheless, it is necessary to render large parts s.Schluss. Afaik, the GOP structure correctly and always constant. You can not just between brief. Look at the PDF at times, because nothing is more common GOP structure. And with the new rendering is (at least 10.6 with the studio on my calculator) is simply not necessary. Whether you believe me or not, I am now fairly no preference. The fact is, if this were not the case, I would be far away on my system in real time to work and I can now times.
The HDV with the new rendering and have not really understood. Even if I just cut the video (without effects, transitions, etc) I have nothing new but it can render natively same issue again ...
this means that you, as opposed to Powermac during the processing in the Teimline (ie without final rendering) a s.der Firewire HDV signal input jack have? I get grad überhaupt no signal from my Firewire jack out, is not synonymous with the normal edition (do not ask me what is going on but grad vorm next weekend I have no time to look ... this is precisely
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Antwort von Frank B.:
I get grad überhaupt no signal from my Firewire jack out, is not synonymous with the normal edition (do not ask me what is going on but grad vorm next weekend I have no time to look ... this is precisely
Hi mountaineer,
s.Ergebnis I am very interested in your experiments. Perhaps yes synonymous nor the one or the other readers of this thread to post his experience.
@ Powermac again:
If this was that over FW ausgespiellt the HDV signal, then the transformation is synonymous in the camcorder via FW to HDTV? Do I have your above post so correctly? That would indeed be synonymous try s.einer final rendered timeline and then output to FW. (Sorry if I am so stupid, instead, but obviously you are not synonymous professionals so as to agree)
friendly greetings Frank
Antwort von Frank B.:
Hi friends,
have the day at a time known for forging called turnkey systems and have received the following info:
- During the HDV - Editing on the timeline FW is "dead"
- The real-time assessment on FW or HDMI is only on (expensive) additional hardware - Canopus and Matrox were this to me as a provider called
- For my software (Liquid Edition) there are no real
Hardware support on HDMI
So, now I'm just pretty disillusioned and dejected. I had hoped, with a calculator between 2000 and 3000 euros to satisfactory results. How it looks like I have so much already for the additional hardware spend. In addition, I have yet to be synonymous as Adobe Premiere editing software to change what I would really like to avoid. If I have money for even the camcorder and HDTV Monitor will calculate this for me is still a high hurdle.
Maybe you still what to bring me a little. In any case I'm pretty clueless.
Another question to the bitter end: How is it with the Avid Liquid Pro hardware, the USB is connected s.den Calculator. This has no HDMI, but a high-resolution component output. Is it possible with the part somehow in the direction, which I erstrebe?
Thank you again for your contributions!
Gruß Frank
Antwort von Alpinist:
- For my software (Liquid Edition) there are no real hardware support for HDMI On the homepage, I see the following
Full-monitoring on the second DVI connection (monitors with identical Resolutionerforderlich) That means you can theoretically use an HDMI connection. The problem is what is in the bracket and honestly, I can not imagine. Even many of my forum users for poorly operating and found Pinnacle Studio 10 without creating the problems and in real time for HDV ...
For the FW problem can I tell you, unfortunately, nothing new to say, because ichs simply do not get to run: (
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Antwort von PowerMac:
HDV via Firewire is not and will never go. The output via DVI is something quite different: namely an uncompressed RGB data output. This could be synonymous, while an HDMI monitor, but by different standards (YCbCr / RGB), the not so great. I have seen many HD monitors via DVI and VGA (!) Connected. A DVI to HDMI converter is synonymous. Only advancing one lacks a monitor.
Antwort von Frank B.:
Only advancing one lacks a monitor. That would be yet but with a second graphics card to get a grip, huh?
Frank
Antwort von PowerMac:
Yes. Only then is a good BMD-HD card to ...
Antwort von Frank B.:
Yes. Only then is a good BMD-HD card to ... Hm, but since we were ever. Because it must turn the whole computer system to be designed uncomprimierte processing. Whether that would be probably cheaper than a 2 nd graphics card? I doubt it.
And how is it with my software?
Maybe I should yet again on a company computer for complete approach to clarify the compatibility.
Frank
