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Frage von darg:
Juni 2008

Hi folks,

as its title indicates, I am with the use of the word AVCHD bit careful here because everyone somehow Manufacturer soup brewing his own but I will say the name.
So far, I have quite a lot of hobby experience with HDV material collected from the tape and forgot my Rechnerrig designed and had thought that the calculator may be synonymous, nor the more recent stream of "AVCHD" using Sony Vegas editing could but since yesterday evening, I am another naught :-)
I have a friend of video footage on an SD card of a Samsung VP-HMX10 Cam get. He had bought the Cam While they exchanged again, because it might not be so right for him. In retrospect, I can only agree.
Since the cam but on a vacation with the Strip, he had the material at least somewhat prepared because I have and in his circle as the only bin that is so beschäfftigt I got the material.
The videos are available as M4P before, my rig (dual core at 3.6GHz!) Was unable to watch the videos without bucking and offset in the audio track in Quick Time to play and even though the calculator is fairly lean, which is ongoing applications is concerned. He should have no problems with it but it was sometimes nothing. Still less was it in Sony Vegas, what was clear then. So last night was the first conversion in a less costly to Compression. Habe es AVI (CineCodec) amended by Vegas and behold it worked. Video is 720p and the quality is bad saumäßig. All movements (and even if only one hand raises) produce streaks in the player or are extremely blurred. Since I am not using the original material can check I would be interested to know whether what I've done wrong, or whether the normal would be at the Cam. Material is still 25p.
Furthermore, it would interest me, as I understand it (as it later on SD DVD go) should interlace later.

Thank you

Axel, San Jose



Antwort von Daigoro:

The HMX10 is not AVCHD, but (perhaps even standard conforming) to h.264.
Besides, they default 720p50/p60, not 25p - there could be wrong project settings s.schlechten Picture his guilt.

With me is synonymous Quicktime Player of the jerky, I prefer to take the VLC player for something that can be synonymous h.264 (eg the film thickness with the hare - but is the Sorenson codec, if I remember correctly - is not synonymous joy with'm original Quicktime and I've only NEN C2D 2.4).



Antwort von darg:

When I look at the properties of the file but say 25p, but may be that this is wrong. I check the times. Did everything but stop as 25p rendered. na let's see what rauskommt .....

Axel, San Jose








Antwort von WoWu:

Axel, SJ
Experimental times the original files with Streamclip or how Daigoro has already recommended to open with VLC. I can understand his sentiment regarding QT as unreservedly confirm. The QT player is far away of a good player, especially the PC version.
Avoid conversions because there is currently no codec is the Kodierqualität and performance in relation to the motion of dissolution can afford.
The 25p can display in fact a misinterpretation of the player, because he can not yet 50.
With the right software that works synonymous. The camera would need a DVD with the plug-ins for popular players have been ... your friend has the least to copy? The least would be helpful.

@ Daigoro

720p version of the trust I AVCHD synonymous with the people that they are the standard, just the whole 1080er Schoser not because the cameras with their mere not manage.
But it would be more than foolish to derogate from the standard 720p.



Antwort von darg:

Well, the problem is that I now again, back in CA and am therefore somewhat difficult s.die CD rankomme since the Cam-owner in Germany. I will try the Samsung Page was to be found.
The conversion is necessary, because I cut the videos and get something back and this will be in the moment with my calculator does not. If, however, that it is mainly s.Vegas 8 is. I try my luck with VLC, because there was an update, I have not yet. Therefore I had to stop running QT.
Even if the conversion error should occur and the quality goes down slightly, this will be the Excambesitzer never remember. In the video, you seasick. The Top 60 beginner mistakes in every scene in it :-) I must first see what I can do it and do I need to stop what, what you just chuck the timeline, in order to create a preview.

Axel, SJ :-)



Antwort von WoWu:

The work already ...
As far as I know, Vegas is synonymous H.264 cut (but am not sure).
So if you ever touch it, I would try it in the original codec synonymous to keep synonymous if perhaps rendering takes a little longer.



Antwort von darg:

After the update to the newest version of VLC player, I could at least play without Rucker indoors to have in Vegas, but it can not even reasonable in the trimmer handle. Totally unusable. Alone in the image structure prevents trimmer to trim the end, which is in each file nachtuerlich has a frame from the neighbor's. So much for the "bad habit" of Vegas a few frames when splitting into HDV Scene virherige involved with. The Samsung is therefore already in the Cam done :-)
I'm just about to re-convert to 50p were the problem, so it will be just as bad as the right of Cam. Now I can at least cross check.

Thank you

Axel, San Jose

[edit] With the setting 50p Render times are synonymous only half as long :-) So that was definitely the main fault .....



Antwort von wolfgang:

As far as I know, Samsung is the material is imported in Vegas, but the preview capabilities, with 2 or 3 fps unfortunately completely inadequate.

Rendering goes well, and of course because I would render to 720 50p, if you are synonymous to the encoder itself SonyAVC templates needs to create (but works).



Antwort von Daigoro:

Could you maybe a short clip in the original format at RapidShare or similar to upload? (of course no personal / private pictures - deserted landscape or something, because what if you did).

I have as yet no original material found on the Internet. : (

I find the camera alone for the 50p and the 'high' Studio for my field (sports) interesting, but did synonymous strong concerns about the workability.
The expensive camera without built-in memory is only about 350 Euros and in the price range, unfortunately, there's absolutely nothing about what frame rates similar records. What course taster is, if I did not get processed.



Antwort von Marco:

Although I have no experience with this particular Samsung model, but my experience with H.264 clips of various low-cost cameras shows that the original clips in a variety of applications, unfortunately, very unstable present. In QuicktimePlayerPro I manage with such files do not export, because the Quicktime player abschmiert previously.
Even on my Mac Book seems to play on the Quicktime player somewhat choppy and Final Cut - now I expect of this program already synonymous nothing else - the first vorrendern files so that they can even be vorschaubar. This Vorrendern lasts but so long (about factor of 10:1) that we really do not like.

Generally synonymous I'm of the opinion that, should a rendering inevitable, as an identical codec should be used, but each s.besten absolutely unnecessary rendering should be avoided. But until now, the workflows with those H.264 files but then mostly all p. ..

Personally, I go here s.besten with an intermediate rendering, which I execute with SpeedEdit. SpeedEdit promptly swallows the files, synonymous with no Vorrendern. From SpeedEdit do I export it again but with the Newtek SpeedHQ 4:2:2 codec. This is somewhat faster than real time. Since the direct conversion of the SD card can be made, this workflow even a little faster than anyone of her tape systems knows.
After running the cut on each AVI-based system almost like with HDV. And quality losses caused by the jump to intermediate are subjective can not be ascertained.

Long story short. I think at the moment is to edit these H.264 files (maybe some cameras produce synonymous variants, which are stable behave) the way a good intermediate is still the best compromise. Because the workflow is otherwise still lags far behind AVCHD ago.

Marco



Antwort von PowerMac:

What sequence did you Preferences in Final Cut Pro, if you play these files? Are they identical with the clip settings, must not be rendered.



Antwort von Marco:

Do not Final Cut Pro, but FCE uses. Distinguish the options are there to the sequence settings? I can here is no special adjustment to make Clipeinstellungen.

Marco

Addendum:
But switching to "Unlimited real time" saved the rendering of coercion. However, the playback rate so then in the basement (approx. 2 fps), that is not usable for processing. The same applies for various latencies / delays, such as the jump in the timeline or playback.

So without intermediates such files, I would not want to edit.








Antwort von MaGeKo:

Hello together,

have in the meantime, some experience with AVCHD s.Mac collected and the different but a little of the previous descriptions.

The import into FCE works absolutely smoothly with "Log and Transfer. I am using a Pana SD5 and edit s.iMac and MacBook, both under the current Leopard updates incl.

The import is much faster and more pleasant than before with the mini-DV Gedo, which had to be connected to firewire.

The actual editing of the film is no different from the usual mini-DV.

The results, however, already. Such a picture before I knew not.

I am very satisfied with the system and would want nothing else.

Allen continues to have fun and s.Shooting After Edit.

Take care,
MaGeKo



Antwort von Marco:

Yes, only here just now is not the speech of AVCHD (as the thread title mistakenly suggested) but of H.264, as it generates the aforementioned Samsung. There are, unfortunately, about the workflows still huge differences to AVCHD.

Marco



Antwort von WoWu:

This is really exciting .... it would be really fascinating to know what actually the difference ....
Axel, Marco, because if you have more info ... am curious.

@ MaGeKo

with what format are you working in AVCHD? 720p50 (do not know whether the SD5 can 'think not.)



Antwort von darg:

In terms of processing capabilities in Vegas 8 is a bit inexplicable to me noticed. The preview in the timeline, even in the Draft is M4Ps extremely ruckend and poorly controlled. The calculator is really s.seiner border arrived. Even small to move the cursor, the system is overloaded. However, according to Vegas about 29 to 30 Fps, what 50Fps of the materials in almost 50% but it is probably not running.
The preview from the Explorer of Vegas is a bit of liquid, synonymous if not faultless, but because I know the Fps not.
If this M4Ps now in the timeline and drag as AVI etc. with 50p new efolgt will render the display in the screen where you can see the progress almost fluently, but do not stop with sound? How can it be that the rendering, which is a CPU intensive of the codec to convert one to the other is more system capacity for the preview window leaves than the mere preview in the Timeline or Trimmer?

Axel, SJ



Antwort von WoWu:

Axel SJ how much memory (cache) you have in it? And do you have any supporting GPU?
What is H.264 definitely need more space in memory, because the Enhanced access to reference these images in the access References longer kept. If the Cach not, is constantly out and her loading ...
That falls under the Umcodierung obviously gone, but unfortunately just synonymous benefits.



Antwort von Marco:

GPU does not use Vegas. Since everything runs on the CPU.

Marco



Antwort von WoWu:

Hi Marco,
thank you for the hint, but this is unusual.

Does Vegas because vector processing units, the display width of the registers are divided, (SIMD), so nothing else remains of the CPU on Dynamic.

Have you ever 720 run with you, because there is no difference between 720p and 720p in H.264AVc in AVCHD recognizable.
But if 1080 is running at you halfway, you can at Axel SJ only errors because of the requirement s.den Calculator 720p50 is only very slightly higher.



Antwort von darg:

The level 2 cache is 2x4MB. RAM is 3GB, my GraKa is a NVidea 8800GTS with 640MB but is an overkill for Vegas, since it really only takes CPU.
My experience with H.264 are quite low. Have just begun to experiment conversions for IPod Touch. I must try to import again and see what makes Vegas, although since the Resolutionwesentlich lower.
What I still do not understand is the Darastellung in the preview window when I play the timeline and if the whole Vegas during the rendering takes place. Besides the lack of sound only because I see no time, because the picture, so each frame is yes first two tries at present.



Antwort von Marco:

"Does Vegas because vector processing units, the display width of the registers are divided, (SIMD), so nothing else remains of the CPU on Dynamic."

I do not know.

"Have you ever 720 run with you, because there is no difference between 720p and 720p in H.264AVc in AVCHD recognizable."

720p in the form of AVCHD is I have not yet come. But I can in Vegas itself in the form of H.264 AVC produce. This self-generated AVC is much! H.264 better than any of these low-cost cameras, which I previously had on the calculator.

I suspect that either of the cameras may provide a codec used Macke has (it is in all of the cameras almost always mbarella AVC) or, it is the container in connection with Quicktime on Windows PC. Or both in combination as a worst case. But this is obviously pure speculation.

If it's interested in you and it is a more accurate analysis of what does, I can love you times a couple of small files - AVCHD / SonyAVC/Camera-H.264 send.

Marco








Antwort von WoWu:

Axel @ SJ

Try out the trial version of the player:
http://www.coreavc.com/
This is a fairly reliable software and should be synonymous dieMbarella coding correctly read.
In earlier versions, there were still synonymous of Mbarelle format as HD 60f, HD30f, D160f, CIF30f.
You did not accidentally caught such a format?



Antwort von Daigoro:

"shown" wrote:
NVidea 8800GTS with 640MB


This could be the wrong card for his h.264.
The 8600 and the new 9x00 all hardware h.264 decoding acceleration. (Crystal HD video or something similar)
When was the 88xxer from any reason omitted.

I've read a lot but still can not find out at what level this will really accelerate and that in principle all of which applications will benefit, or whether the application of the individual case by case support needs. Prerequisite is, unfortunately, so that Vista and DX10.

ATI has an even wider approach and accelerated h.264 synonymous alongside other modern codecs. Complains that because Avivo (tm) HD.
Only there is nothing if you Vista/DX10 needs.

Everything is still confusing national construction. : (
How long the final rendering would take me no preference - because the box ran earlier synonymous over night - just hours after ne preview Vorrendern or 2FPS is simply rubbish.

Nochma the request: invite someone please look small files of the HMX in the original high quality.



Antwort von darg:

"WoWu" wrote:
Axel @ SJ

Try out the trial version of the player:
http://www.coreavc.com/
This is a fairly reliable software and should be synonymous dieMbarella coding correctly read.
In earlier versions, there were still synonymous of Mbarelle format as HD 60f, HD30f, D160f, CIF30f.
You did not accidentally caught such a format?


What codec was used because really I do not know off the. The codec I would need information as only raussuchen times. Since Vegas All times already only 25p, I would read on the indication from Vegas do not trust out how to get this out because s.zuverlässigsten?

In addition, I have the Scenes now available as Avi, optical is no loss of quality, especially in terms of blurring of contours to be seen. The Picture quality is always among all p.. You can see already hold a huge difference to a HV10/20. Because of "cameraman" always beautiful inside and out and has zoomed out and has hergezappelt seems to be the absolute hardness of the test for the Bildstabilizierung to be. When the full wobbelt Zoom the Picture, but not always the whole, sometimes only the lower half, sometimes only the top. As I commend my Canon :-)

Greeting
Axel, SJ



Antwort von darg:

"Daigoro" wrote:
"shown" wrote:
NVidea 8800GTS with 640MB


This could be the wrong card for his h.264.
The 8600 and the new 9x00 all hardware h.264 decoding acceleration. (Crystal HD video or something similar)
When was the 88xxer from any reason omitted.

I've read a lot but still can not find out at what level this will really accelerate and that in principle all of which applications will benefit, or whether the application of the individual case by case support needs. Prerequisite is, unfortunately, so that Vista and DX10.

ATI has an even wider approach and accelerated h.264 synonymous alongside other modern codecs. Complains that because Avivo (tm) HD.
Only there is nothing if you Vista/DX10 needs.

Everything is still confusing national construction. : (
How long the final rendering would take me no preference - because the box ran earlier synonymous over night - just hours after ne preview Vorrendern or 2FPS is simply rubbish.

Nochma the request: invite someone please look small files of the HMX in the original high quality.


When I bought the card at that time had, unfortunately, was the smaller series here with me no longer in stock. Eh not really want the super big map, since I'm not a gamer. In retrospect, the GTS anyway only to games designed to be, according to the manufacturer GT or the GTX (which it was still there) are better designed for video editing. Therefore the map but now rauszunehmen and with a new one to replace is not worth it for me. For HDV, what I actually do 100%, it is OK, the experiment is H.264 holding nothing more than an experiment, because for me is no longer coming and I know that my Canon halt over the next 5 years must hold, until the entire order to the chaos has settled a bit codec. As long as I take hold of H.264 or AVCHD stop distance and use it only for my iPod :-)
Unfortunately I have no space online, what format the original upload, Vimeo and have just as I believe it will be again converted.

Greeting

Axel, SJ



Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:

If you want us to offer hand-: Rapidshare.de



Antwort von Marco:

You use a different graphics card for Vegas in terms of a performance increase and AVC decoding eh nothing.

Marco




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