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Frage von Miles:
August 2008

Hi,

I have been informed 3 days now and am still undecided and I hope that you give me the necessary tips to buy, you can give?

I am looking for a camera for my upcoming (September) Canada holidays and this is then synonymous for usHobbyfilmen suitable.

I have the issue with cameras the last time a few years and I've always had about interlaced video (logical) abgeärgert.
Deinterlace is not as good as possible (to equivalent quality), because the images of field to field are different.

So it must be for me a true progressive HD-CAM.
As a recording format s.liebsten a larger hard drive (> = 60GB).
Emergency synonymous internal flash memory and I secure the data is gone permanently.

So now I have the following filter:
- JVC HD-40
- Samsung VP-HMX20C (Stylisch but synonymous usable?)
- Canon HF10

Have I forgotten any important?
Have all 3 true 25p? (24p I would almost prefer to have:))

I am grateful for any advice Be informed me next. Do not have any "time" for a bad buy;)

Thank you
Miles



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:

Deinterlace is not as good as possible (to equivalent quality), because the images of field to field are different.


How comest thou to sowas?

With current computers, even in real time and a possible quality that the layman sees no difference.



Antwort von Miles:

Previously, it was at a normal interlaced DVCam recorded.
From field to field but in a different motion pictures available. So you never deinterlacer for a decent quality (HD or not).

I assumed that today are still the fields are different and only with Blendig etc. hinfuschen what can?

Let me like a better notion.
If so, however, comes interlaced video is not in question.

Apart from that I find interlaced footage by their overly liquid display fake acting (habit of shooting).

I'm always looking for a correction of my gratitude.

Regards
Miles

PS: Why deinterlace and convert video, if it already has cameras, which record it properly?





Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:

PS: Why deinterlace and convert video, if it already has cameras, which record it properly?


How and where do you want for your show progressive material.

The gaengingen Full HD Television: 1080i50 - if you are lucky 1080p24 (which is available for Blue-Ray movies, video cameras to take P25 that then eh often enough in I50 is changed).

Take simply the HV30 or HF100 - The Progressive can - if you feel that you need.



Antwort von Miles:

My Television is 24p, 25p, 50i, etc.
Its Progressive Scan 50i provides synonymous with good, no question, but pretty is not it anyway;)

HF100 is the same as the HF10, the HF10 that only an internal memory, right?

What is with the JVC HD-40 from? This is very new?



Antwort von wolfgang:

"Miles" wrote:

HF100 is the same as the HF10, the HF10 that only an internal memory, right?


True, the devices are up to the same internal memory, and draw in a fashion to 25p - or more precisely in two fields, but are not delayed. Advantage: you have the Halbbildthematik only; disadvantage: the motion resolution is worse.

I can certainly recommend the HF100 is a good device. Similar would be good synonymous nor SonySR11/12.



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:
My Television is 24p, 25p, 50i, etc.


The fact that the offer does not necessarily mean that it natively (without internal conversion) represents - there's still a big chaos with the manufacturers (and if you are the films not only on your Television ansiehst but synonymous times weitergibst, you should be synonymous choose a format that is supported is guaranteed).

"Miles" wrote:
Its Progressive Scan 50i provides synonymous with good, no question, but pretty is not it anyway;)


Video is not nice. This has only partly with p or i to do.

"Miles" wrote:
HF100 is the same as the HF10, the HF10 that only an internal memory, right?


As far as I know, yes. And for the 8GB internal memory is much more expensive.

"Miles" wrote:
What is with the JVC HD-40 from? This is very new?


The benutzne both a separate file that is difficult to play garnicht / Edit lets.



Antwort von Miles:

Ah, thanks for the reply. Was the test images of surprised that you saw interlaced artifacts.

Moves Resolution: This is good, exactly what bothers me about an interlaced-Cam:)

The SonySR12 was synonymous in the narrow range, but the Progressive (2 fields without time delay) record?
Read everywhere only interlaced, interlaced ....

Thank you
Miles



Antwort von Miles:

"Daigoro" wrote:

The fact that the offer does not necessarily mean that it natively (without internal conversion) represents - there's still a big chaos with the manufacturers (and if you are the films not only on your Television ansiehst but synonymous times weitergibst, you should be synonymous choose a format that is supported is guaranteed).


The 50fps in half of the HF10 without the time delay would be a good compromise.
Progressive pictures and compatibility with failing to calculate down full 25fps without Blendig etc.

Well, I think I have already decided.
Would like to go with the original video footage to see much movement and look.
Who has a link? Google me just around the world;)

Thank you
Miles



Antwort von Daigoro:

zb http://www.fxsupport.de/

The original material, as the name suggests, the original material.
Without you can post only the relative quality of the cameras assess, not the quality of the Endmaterials, the more of your can with the NLE or compositing program depends as what the camera delivers.
Examples:
http://www.harder-life-pictures.de/downloads/Farbkorrekturen_A_God_Damn_Day.zip

"Blending" is actually only a possibility of deinterlacing and not the best.

http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/ghi/faq_dvd/basics/DeinterlacingVergleich.html



Antwort von Miles:

Thank you, very informative:)
Bin begeistert!

Weaver would be in the most effective HF100:)
Blending was synonymous only one example of what I like from my VirtualDub times have used 300 years ago.
Would the HF100 SDHC at really advantageous prices!

But I look at it for me. Very informative page!

Are there any objections and suggestions?

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:
Weaver would be in the most effective HF100:)


This is the so auspielen, I suppose.
For the user transparently.

"Miles" wrote:
Blending was synonymous only one example of what I like from my VirtualDub times have used 300 years ago.


Until a dual core of times (about 2 years) has a good de-interlacing much burden placed on the processor, which is why the easiest way has taken.

As before, adaptive (there is still synonymous what better - depending on the editing program, which summarizes several possibilities) deinterlaces is virtually no difference to the more progressive directly recorded material to see (a professional in television, with the daily work is something perhaps even more what to see, but usually not) and the 'huge processor load' real-time amounts to my C2D around 3%:).

It changes nothing that 720p50 and 1080p24 for television (with support 72Hz) with a progressive working Wiedergabegeraet both for the recording as synonymous consider the probably much more pleasant solutions while, instead of the current formats chaos, but one can (and should) stop live what we have.



Antwort von raymaker:

"Miles" wrote:

So it must be for me a true progressive HD-CAM.

You know but synonymous over the disadvantages of p i over of decision? Seems to me not so.



Antwort von Miles:

Compatibility and less sharp movement?
That is so excessively redundant for me looks like I see as a disadvantage for interlace.

I would prefer a full synonymous real 24p, but it is only in the professional segment, or?

What convincing reason for interlaced cams?
The SonyST12 and the sample shots I had were synonymous convincing ...

Ahhh, you shall convince me of a thing where I feel at home:)
I'm probably only of my old DVCam injury, where I said: Never again Interlaced! : (

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:

That is so excessively redundant for me looks like I see as a disadvantage for interlace.


So you 'real world' with its continuous stream synonymous unnatural pictures before?
Or target you for a great "movie look" from - it is with the video camera None really exist?

If the latter, then search in the forum for "film look" and let you explain why not.
And the "why are video recordings on your computer terribly from contributing is synonymous quite interesting.



Antwort von Miles:

True, it is clear to me @ film look.
But I do not synonymous small house for a Camera from:)

Somehow I seem very unnatural 50i recordings on the television / PC. Is probably a matter of taste or habituation.

I only just started so s.mich with the issue again to employ.
I think that the HF100 more than enough satisfies my needs and it is a good start.

I have, as I said before, just scared that I'm back on interlace annoyed. How would I get a little motion blur to take it up in 20 years, affordable 24p cameras right there.

Which camera would you because in the 1000 ¬ segment buy?
Perhaps let me still convincing:)

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:

I have, as I said before, just scared that I'm back on interlace annoyed. How would I get a little motion blur to take it up in 20 years, affordable 24p cameras right there.


There will not, as an equally unnecessary and obsolete part is like interlace.
The movies of the future will be P48 and P50 television! (which again is not compatible, so we as users are stupid again; P)

"Miles" wrote:

Which camera would you because in the 1000 ¬ segment buy?
Perhaps let me still convincing:)

If I do so unfortunate: garkeine.
Otherwise, the HV30. (but only because I like volumes - the HF100's synonymous doing - just as the SR11)

And without the "beta" I bought me a HC5 ^ ^.



Antwort von Miles:

So, here bissl've read .. :)

Conclusion My personal (thanks s.alle who have made it possible * g *)

50i:
- Is there technically scrap tube for those who are dead (sry s.alle CRT Fetis)
- As a stopgap measure to amateur filmmakers to produce decent video

25p:
- Actually, too slow for decent videos and thereby disadvantages (Stroboskopeffekt etc.)
- The look, which I'm accustomed to is closer than 50i;)
- Progressiv only with proper settings (shutter, etc.) and the correct setting or "hope it looks good then synonymous"

My personal opinion and abgekupfert of other users here;)
From my own conviction, I can only speak little as 25p, I do not "personally" know, but I had previously hated 50i * g *

Is it possible for the HF100 to convert interlace to himself personally for the better to convince?

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:

50i:
- Is there technically scrap tube for those who are dead (sry s.alle CRT Fetis)


For narrow bandwidths, not tubes. : P
My Eizo CRT creates flicker-free p in its dissolution, of the "Full HD" LCDs can only dream of.



Antwort von Miles:

"Daigoro" wrote:

For narrow bandwidths, not tubes. : P
My Eizo CRT creates flicker-free p in its dissolution, of the "Full HD" LCDs can only dream of.


The statement was based on Television * g *

So, do the same .. :)
Heard all about your trip preparation * g * 2 Battery .. synonymous or 3rd Battery .. mh ...



Antwort von Daigoro:

Mindstens I would leave an extra battery and an external charger (with car adapter) order.
That's enough in any event for one day - if there is no electricity, but rather 2 (provided the holding in most cameras are not really long by)

Polarizer and hood damage not synonymous.

And Tripod (when it's no big to be at least a Cullmann Monopod or Travelpod 3090).



Antwort von Miles:

Sry, still short OT:
Is it really the HF100 Vids of the PS3 directly into the plug (old with card reader) directly and the videos play?
Does my Canon still camera of a very funny feature has become.

AVC can the PS3 without any problems, but is directly absorbed synonymous?

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Miles:

Sry, still short OT:
Is it really the HF100 Vids of the PS3 directly into the plug (old with card reader) directly and the videos play?
Does my Canon still camera of a very funny feature has become.

AVC can the PS3 without any problems, but is directly absorbed synonymous?

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Axel:

I am one you know, synonymous to the "p" group. As you write, you have so informed about the disadvantages. Let the fingers of just 24p, which means more expense for the same result. If, as described above means that only ausgekochte television professionals that are the difference between a native deinterlaceten and a "p" recording, then there is not anyone to cover the difference between 24 and 25 sees.

It is currently doing much in the AVCHD range. Nor is the issue of post-no breeze. In any case, the decision HDV or AVCHD Of greater significance than the other question. The old threads have given new camcorder supplemented. See eg here.



Antwort von Miles:

The HF11 is already synonymous to me on the Internet paths crossed.
I would not be the beginning of September in the holidays to fly, I would probably be of use.

But if you wait a few months, there is always something better, so garnicht wait (if it is not necessarily 2-3 days) and 2 years over the next Model save * g *

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Miles" wrote:
... Can the HF100 to interlace redenominate ...

The HF100 is even from a house of 50i-Camera: Only if you are in the so-called "PF25" mode switch, it's progressive, whereby the image recording in the memory still made as 50i. They had wolfgang next up something written.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Miles:

Also time-50i?
That was it here? Whether it is 50 fields with information of 50 snapshots and 25 snapshots in 25p or 50i packaged? :)

PS: I werds synonymous see is ordered OverNight;)

PPS: The Playstation 3 can supposedly AVCHD, I'm curious * g *



Antwort von wolfgang:

The PS3 can not only supposedly, but surely even AVCHD. However, she plays some of the hard drive with the 60 Hz, what you should not be fun. The authors, therefore, at least people AVCHD DVDs, or just equal to BD-Rs.



Antwort von darg:

In relation to the HV20/30 I can think of Road Trips to say that it is better to have three batteries. We are on the trip with a few miles on the car, accordingly, I have all the loader to run on 12V, which gives me the opportunity in the worst case, two batteries on hand to have and one of just loaded. Even the larger of Canon Battery only runs about 1 hour and is then empty, so prefer to have more batteries than too little.

The HDV tapes are always on the good, if one is full, it lands in the Ersatzradmulde, in contrast to the car interior temperature is quite good (when the car is obviously first to review), although the tapes 80Grad been synonymous in the SUV have survived . At long but I would not want to do. With memory devices is always a thing with a laptop can be on the fast times rüberziehen but at 20 hours of film material as quickly something together.

Greeting
Axel, San Jose



Antwort von The KLF:

"wolfgang" wrote:
The PS3 can not only supposedly, but surely even AVCHD. However, she plays some of the hard drive with the 60 Hz, what you should not be fun. The authors, therefore, at least people AVCHD DVDs, or just equal to BD-Rs.


True, unfortunately.
Directly of the original SDHC card "out of the cam" will play the PS3 but the correct frequency of 50Hz. To view the uncut recordings so synonymous without detours optimal conditions.

Many greetings,
The KLF



Antwort von wolfgang:

True, but how many SDHC cards you have then? This is not a final solution to stop, I am afraid.



Antwort von Miles:

Height,

so .. Did the Camera since yesterday and would like you not my first experience denied.

First, the PS3, I thought it only as a quick solution at parties etc and after returning from the trip to the views of the filmed sequences.
Archived on Blu-Ray and copies go s.Freunde probably mostly as a DVD;)
As an Internet distribution solutions, I can with 720p well imagine.

View Camera:
I am obviously very impressed. I comb with the handling Schennen zurrecht, synonymous when the manual focus is very Fummel!
Of course I am with the theme of 25p and shutter-busy periods and am there synonymous quickly to the problems encountered.
In matching sequences is the result of a 25p recording outstanding. As a 50i recording of her feeling not hold with (my opinion).

Be next to be dealing with me and thank everybody here for their support.
Now is the first topic to shutter times, aperture, filters, wide angle, Tripod and later steady-Cam:)

Regards
Miles

PS: I have 3 batteries, 6 SDHC card (Class 6, brand 16GB) and Chargers ordered. If space is insufficient, will be on holiday on 2x500GB external plates secured (twice). Then it should be enough * g *



Antwort von Daigoro:

Finally someone here who can decide and not with 300 "but" s important. :)

"Miles" wrote:
... and later steady-Cam:)


With its 300 grams Camera? Take one of these Schluesselbaendern, Haeng's s.die Camera and around the neck - small, soft, shuffling steps - voila ... Steadicam se.

Is synonymous gut für nen defined biceps:) and seems to long even more convenient than this one-"Flycam" where you after 5 minutes of the elbow on Grundeis is because the part with Camera weighs more than a Mass beer.



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

But ... You do not need Canada for a completely different camera, for example with a mechanical lift 60Hz motor?



Antwort von nico:

Quote:
But ... You do not need Canada for quite a different camera?


But sure yet! Just like an almond eye for Asian countries.



Antwort von Miles:

"Daigoro" wrote:

With its 300 grams Camera? Take one of these Schluesselbaendern, Haeng's s.die Camera and around the neck - small, soft, shuffling steps - voila ... Steadicam se.


Mh, but must be careful not to slurp the tape to have;)

Wide Anglewäre still good for the bear to have it fully while it has a herrfällt. That makes the digital stabilization synonymous paid.
Interlace is for short exposure times of rapid Beweungen of the claw synonymous recommended.

Regards
Miles



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Miles" wrote:
"Daigoro" wrote:

With its 300 grams Camera? Take one of these Schluesselbaendern, Haeng's s.die Camera and around the neck - small, soft, shuffling steps - voila ... Steadicam se.


Mh, but must be careful not to slurp the tape to have;)


Since the tape has not HF100, which is seen as another advantage of the SD card technology - unpleasant Nebengeraeusche come garnicht "'s on tape." : D

And when he slides quietly (see "Beverly Hills Ninja.":), He is synonymous s.Baeren past and may in the fur FULLHDQUALITAET record.



Antwort von Miles:

My old DVCam sometime has eaten the tapes. Was at a great pity.
If my new Cam SD cards synonymous eats, I'm sure!
But perhaps the bear was indeed with DV tapes begin?

I have no FullHD, but "almost";)

Yes nischt good:)



Antwort von WideScreen:

So slogans such as: amateur movies, film look and 25p in a thread just do not fit together. This is just like drinking and driving.



Antwort von wolfgang:

Do you? It will give amateur filmmakers who are interested 25p (I do not belong to). Whether the now drunk with all the cars can and I will not judge!
:))



Antwort von raymaker:

I wonder synonymous. The TE has no idea about the shooting, but wants to 50i in no case have .... kopfschüttel.



Antwort von Miles:

"raymaker" wrote:
I wonder synonymous. The TE has no idea about the shooting, but wants to 50i in no case have .... kopfschüttel.


Yes, I have no idea about the shooting.
Why should I deal with 50i (where my old problems are known) and I am so accustomed s.das Shoot, if I am not equal with 25p and can deal with its problems, I can handle better? (Especially since the taste is eh!)
Why I really do not want to have 50i is well in hand. Synonymous, I have already erleutert.

I have a lot gerlernt in the last few days and am grateful for any help.
What I do not understand, such content Freie contributions.
Why is an Eingesteiger on 50i festgenagelt and why is he not good enough for 25p?
Clearly with the shooting 25p difficult, but is one where he helped with the problems of 50i to live and to see eg Medium Speed camera pans used?

Oh, and what I've determined so far:
Yes, I will leave my turn in 50i! (I really underestimated 25p)
Yes, I will get made in 25p Shooting Scenes!

I believe there is any kind of film / video in the proper format. That I knew when creating the threads do not. I of "you" learned.

What are those comments? What justifies me anyway?
Well, would not be here next to such a post without posting synonymous detail.

I hope I am now qualified (as before) with experience, links, etc. next.
This forum is finally here.

Regards
Miles

PS: You can contact me calm, I have a nick synonymous!



Antwort von WoWu:

Miles @

Hello Miles ..

If you want to do anyway AVC, does the-i-/-p-problem soon anyway Of course, because the adaptive AVC synonymous half or extended and Vollbildcodierverfahren where MPEG2 image still half or Vollbildcodiert had to be half-or may Vollbild AVC encoding on macroblock basis, so is limited to the tiny parts of image for-i-would materialize. The Codiermöglichkeiten can be mixed.
Hence, this discussion is done soon anyway.
I can only advise them, a few scenes in i and p in other to achieve, because you are finished for one of the forms have to decide and then with high probability the conversion interfaces s.den see.
But why do you not 720p50 or 1080p25?
When you meet 720p50 so synonymous that Ausspielformat for the TV area.
I do not know what your product is meant for a higher but Resolutionmüsste are already a few good reasons. (Projection, or at least a 75 "TV from 3m distance)



Antwort von Miles:

Hi WoWu,

Of course I will be at the various projects for one to decide.
Good, I can imagine myself synonymous, that man 2 leave makes movies.
Längernen in a documentary-style (in 50i) and a short film in nature (25p).
Therefore, when the best action scenes and a different card for taking (for simpler separation during cutting) and almost double in record 25p.

Well, you see:)

The block with the base Marko sounds interesting to see how it develops.
750p50, the camera does not natively (?!?).
I see the maximum of 50i and deinterlace rezisen.

I know that the difference between 720p and 1080p only at very large sizes or in the very near approach recognizes.
Since I am in the future (for the growing televisions and projectors with a potential) is not synonymous happy on details of the current recordings wanting arises 1080p25 as the best way there.
(Where the camera is being made)

Last weekend I have a mini-excursion synonymous with driving and shooting can'm amazed. 25p gives a detective-Scenes Look and the negative side were not to be seen.
Schrecklig other hand was a swivel camera in a hall of me where I can selectively have challenged the stuttering. ;)

Do you have maybe a council, or a link for the realization 720p50?

Oh, and why do I constantly here in the forum of what 25p -> 24p conversions? Not what is missing in the timeline, allowing an additional Jerkiness still come?

Regards
Miles



Antwort von wolfgang:

"Miles" wrote:

Oh, and why do I constantly here in the forum of what 25p -> 24p conversions? Not what is missing in the timeline, allowing an additional Jerkiness still come?


Maybe because not 25p Blu Ray komform is only 24p?



Antwort von WideScreen:

Hi Miles.

Well, I take a look back:) But amateur movies sounds quite ... horrible. And at 25p must stop a little bit about how you will make pans. Many seek halt the film look and do and make, but the shots just do not remember even the slightest s.Film. Who makes great recordings, where the Picture and pans are very simple, which is synonymous of me to see the film will look, but not anderesrum. But be careful, so I do not mean you, but generally because I do not know how you Videografierst. But maybe some day we see your holiday movie:)

Gruß Kay



Antwort von wolfgang:

"WideScreen" wrote:

But amateur films sounds quite ... horrible.


But only in your ears. And I place more times s.deiner would ask why this is for you.

A professional photographer is so afraid before Hobbyknipsern not synonymous. Why füchtest before you someone who you think of films for television? 're A very different professional, which is about his work clearly differentiated.



Antwort von Miles:

I leave happy times and videos of the Kommunity imagine me constructive criticism:)
Only those who themselves often enough criticism and feedback can get myself someday others criticize räusper * *

WideScreen, no problem. You were not the main objective umbedingt my criticism:)

The 24p with Blu-Ray because of conformity, I understand but you do not remember that a picture is missing? I do not know, so I ask:)
If one seconds with 25 frames / second continuously filmed, is 40ms with a calm image.
At 24 fps, it is ~ 42 ms. Sure, that would be ansich not remember, but still lacking the information 40ms second.
Especially if you use the last picture (Was probably the worst way would be), would be the second time always a leap of 40ms held.
Sure you can always turn 25 frames out, or other "magic", but .... What say you about this?

But that was certainly discussed here. 'm Online and via mobile phones may not be as good looking / google:)
I just wanted to empty here;)

Regards
Miles

PS: Every professional was once synonymous Beginners and therefore often amateur filmmakers. From hobby can quickly and passion that are synonymous profession.



Antwort von wolfgang:

There is always the possibility of transformation - and occasionally there are synonymous Blu Ray player, even the good play 25p material. Will not do is guarantee (unfortunately).

Conversion is never quite perfect - but what to do, the timeline to stretch so that instead of 25 fps at 24 fps gets. The 4% change playback duration are virtually no notice, such procedures are synonymous with cinema applications.

Apart of the amateur filmmakers dislike Kay has obviously been in quite some score, you have to know how to 25p with filming. In the movie there is still a completely different recording technology behind it, as it has as a hobby Filmer (descriptor wing aperture to old mechanical methods as a reference). Fast pans are just problematic at 25p - 50i shows in the consumer sector is still holding a smoother motion resolution. Between 25p and Filmllook is of course even more difference than just reading ... But there on the search enough to find here.



Antwort von Miles:

Is any film-DVD (where the film had 24p) was reduced by 4%: (

Ok, probably the best when authoring a Blu-Ray.

Regards
Miles



Antwort von WideScreen:

Amateur filmmakers stop for me is the one who makes the typical Konsumeraufnahmen. So reißschwenks, zoom out and back, and something bad. Is halt ne embossing can there for nothing:) Sure, I know, but synonymous, which is not all lumped together on a may. But is it so many who look after the movie scream have ne camera work you will be seasick. 'm Sure synonymous nor is much improved, but I see myself not so synonymous with the movies:)



Antwort von Axel:

"Miles" wrote:
Is any film-DVD (where the film had 24p) was reduced by 4%: (

Ok, probably the best when authoring a Blu-Ray.
All this is certainly very interesting. Let us suppose that there is a scale of 0% to 100%, the quality of a video display. The frame rate and even the Resolutionbeeinflussen not more than 10%. Films du So perpetrating all relevant known errors (no idea, bad camera work, bad Kadrage, bad lighting / lighting, bad sound, bad Directing, poor editing / Postpro) with the best camcorder a movie, you get ten percent quality, what practically zero. Films du reversed a fleet Doku with style, wit and skilful use of resources with a Hi8 cucumber, denied the technique you the missing 10% to 100% satisfaction. Of these 90% of "talent" are 80% likely to turn to learn, experience. In other words, even the cleverest and most ingenious filmmaker takes several attempts.



Antwort von Miles:

Beautifully said .. :) Then I ever so much because of the few percent Cam (The ratio of the consumer division).

A little talent I bring to each case with. Was a few years ago a lot of planned s.drehen Scene.
Must be a lot to learn yet (Like you say so beautifully synonymous).

Regards
Miles



Antwort von WideScreen:

Alex: Do not refer to the quote? But otherwise I agree with you entirely.



Antwort von wolfgang:

Of course, Alex right: it is still the cameraman, the film does (ok, plus of course, Cutter, etc.). We always talk about technical details, but it is crucial unverändet skills - the man largely for the "normal usage" can learn.

"WideScreen" wrote:
Amateur filmmakers stop for me is the one who makes the typical Konsumeraufnahmen. So reißschwenks, zoom out and back, and something bad. Is halt ne embossing can there for nothing:) Sure, I know, but synonymous, which is not all lumped together on a may. But is it so many who look after the movie scream have ne camera work you will be seasick. 'm Sure synonymous nor is much improved, but I see myself not so synonymous with the movies:)


Your definition of amateur film-it's discriminatory - but that should not surprise you, as you write do you expect such a statement so obvious. I have of a very good amateur camera work seen, and then as a case of "so-called" professionals, that a bad has become. You can not really generalize. Important, I think you have to learn and improved.



Antwort von Axel:

"WideScreen" wrote:
Alex: Do not refer to the quote? But otherwise I agree with you entirely.
Axel, and you are right, it was off topic. For a re-entry as Miles came easy to me these details (24p for Bluray) to esoteric before. But I understand why he is involved.



Antwort von Miles:

"Axel" wrote:
Axel, and you are right, it was off topic. For a re-entry as Miles came easy to me these details (24p for Bluray) to esoteric before. But I understand why he is involved.


I'm in the synonymous terms (and perhaps other synonymous?) Fairly esoteric. ;)
Maybe it helps yes to the "special" movie * g *

I would be happy times of my balcony and down the film online for maybe tips of one or the other to get.
Can not hurt vacation in front of a little practice;)

Regards
Miles



Antwort von WoWu:

Hi Miles ...

It's so pretty out here and her.
Now I am working even in the documentary business and the many good suggestions, regarding a super-ordered shoots take strange way, perhaps on film, but somehow not on documentation, because bears are very rarely referred to scriptwriting and wait synonymous so rare that that the camera is positioned properly and has set up ... well, just a different world.
My rat s.Dich is primarily to target your product to work and that all sorts of subtleties and deduce format. It is quite something else if you have a television for customers or for example for a "publishing house rental or for education do something ... or of course for private use.
The 2-gleisige way to turn (with you and i-p), we were 25 and 30p is actually very annoying and gives little in the documentary field good results, because the documentation usually gets no second chance.
So, my advice, you such a target product and directed to the requirements of ... look at the cameras in the Pro-Sumer area ... they are not quite as cheap but you can exploitable (vendible) products and thus make it 720p50 are synonymous.
As for the extra equipment you should not save ... but an old Arri gyro head is in extreme situations significantly better than a stylish new fluid-head, when the cold no longer has to move.
And such "sweetie", there are sometimes at E-Bay for 'n Apple .. and 'n' i '




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