Frage von telex:
although I schonmal a similar theme have opened here and the question:
If I have a camcorder with either
Hard Drive
- HDV tape
or AVCHD.
Is there a universal solution to these recordings s.Full HD TV back on track?
There is a new Panasonic, besides BluRay synonymous AHCVD can play this and other Archivator stations (which is recommended)? To burn to DVD and play it. Which method should you choose now?
If an AVCHD recording always something worse than an HDV recording because of the compression?
Antwort von Axel:
First of all related to your question whether there is a universal player is: The
output is less dependent on the recording medium, since you both on HD DVD as synonymous to Blu-ray discs Mpeg2 of DV and HDV as synonymous of the AVCHD or H.264 Cams from DV or HDV, play it.
The question is more likely after the
passing of your films. What medium is there to offer, you must already know. Normal DVD players are very common, but they obviously have no HD option. The market saturation with HD players is less than 1%, they are still overpriced and are not only cheaper, but next synonymous technically improved, so that at the moment the interest is low. The closest is probably the PlayStation 3 is a candidate, but I personally know of nobody who owns one.
... besides BluRay synonymous AHCVD can play ... Blu-ray is a disc, a storage media, comparable to a CD-Rom or DVD-Rom. Like the DVD video, which we are accustomed to simply rip DVD to mention, there is video content on a Blu-ray (short form "BD") a specification, which codecs it with all players
must be readable. AVCHD is one of them.
If an AVCHD recording always something worse than an HDV recording because of the compression? (Thunder rumbling in the background)
Please enter the words times at Wikipedia, so that you realize what you're talking about. The Conclusion is then: is both Compacts, and until Is-not-more, but AVCHD is more compressed, so that the same quality with less space provides.
We used the same data rate in AVCHD (aksH264; aksMpeg4, at least in principle the same, is compatible with the codec but then maybe not) as in HDV (MPEG2), the quality would be much better.
Unfortunately, the construction industry so far in AVCHD hard drive or DVD cams, with a low data rate (which is 12 Mbit / s), schrottigen controls and optics up to now and poor support from post-software (synonymous AVCHD requires a very fast calculator).
The lack of software support was synonymous HDV. It is still garnicht long ago that one could only HDV in a memory-hungry process intermediate codec. Faster processors, and twins, as well as advanced software now makes editing HDV in as easily as DV. So you can be confident that the coming generations of computer AVCHD is
ready. Conversely, you can be confident that the industry is slowly but surely takes farewell from the tape.
HDV is an interim solution. It provides the best material for SD DVDs, and as long as these remain the standard, it makes sense HDV.
Two or three years ago, there was sadness same event for DV. Even today, contributions made in DV, and not a few and not just of ill-informed amateurs. It still applies: The Resolutionist pretty much the last thing s.einem interesting movie interested.
Who according to the state of the art asks, but gets this answer:
Previously: DV
Still: HDV
Coming Soon: AVCHD
Antwort von telex:
wants or needs, but this month or next to buy a camcorder and the material is synonymous can play without the need to use video camera. Can you recommend a combination of me?
Antwort von Axel:
wants or needs, but this month or next to buy a camcorder and the material is synonymous can play without the need to use video camera. Can you recommend a combination of me? Yes. A laptop with DVI to TV or projector. The cut film with just one player and full output in the external playback. Teste das doch mal. There are synonymous disk player (set top boxes) or Xoro player (search), but I'm not sure that the FullHD are capable of. Either way it purchases, which in my opinion, worth less than a clever to buy a laptop (graphics card must be 1080 x 1920 range).
Antwort von wolfgang:
The Xoro is good, but stop it now rather outdated. To play today, I would tend to Blu Ray player, quite synonymous to the PS3, or network ala Player TViX go (in respect TViX whether H.264 is now required or not). Here are some:
http://www.hdd-player.de/
The market saturation with HD players is less than 1%, they are still overpriced and are not only cheaper, but next synonymous technically improved, so that at the moment the interest is low. The closest is probably the PlayStation 3 is a candidate, but I personally know of nobody who owns one.
The video is full of meeting users to do exactly with the PS3 these things done. Works perfectly.
Unfortunately, the construction industry so far in AVCHD hard drive or DVD cams, with a low data rate (which is 12 Mbit / s), schrottigen controls and optics up to now and poor support from post-software (synonymous AVCHD requires a very fast calculator).
True, today's AVCHD positions itself more in the mass market, so up to around 1000 euros. The class of gehobeneren camcorder, however it is at 3000 to 6000 euros, and the leaves often with HDV, in one case, synonymous with DVC PRO HD. Depends stop depends on what you want - perhaps the questioner speaks precisely of those up to 1000 euro appliances?
The lack of software support was synonymous HDV. It is still garnicht long ago that one could only HDV in a memory-hungry process intermediate codec. Faster processors, and twins, as well as advanced software now makes editing HDV in as easily as DV. So you can be confident that the coming generations of computer AVCHD is ready.
True, since the development of 2-core processors is the HDV editing easily and quickly, with a variety of editing programs.
But if I am synonymous with WoWu not always believe - to the point that today's PCs with its basic architecture is difficult to be AVCHD ready should this view I share with him now. If I look that synonymous change to the fast 4-core devices for native AVCHD editing only a relatively modest increase in power for AVCHD bring, I'm here slowly rather pessimistic. I see so far is not the synonymous additional hardware solutions, such as if synonymous Canopus NX still many untapped opportunities would follow. Only it's not a solution for beginners, I guess times.
If, then the solution lies perhaps more in AVC-i - let's see whether this is 2008, the industry from 3000 to 6000 in the euro area which will make.
Conversely, you can be confident that the industry is slowly but surely takes farewell from the tape.
Definitely. And you will be the practical problem of how to promote meaningful long-term storage of the material discharged. Server farms in the living room or under the bed?
:)
HDV is an interim solution. It provides the best material for SD DVDs, and as long as these remain the standard, it makes sense HDV.
Two or three years ago, there was sadness same event for DV. Even today, contributions made in DV, and not a few and not just of ill-informed amateurs. It still applies: The Resolutionist pretty much the last thing s.einem interesting movie interested.
Each format is a temporary solution - just as HDV off in applications, is synonymous in today's AVCHD format (hopefully soon) be. But do not mistaken - High resolution is more and more to be a standard - the growth of high-resolution panels for 2008 will be seen as fairly solid. The train is high-resolution of camcorders
Antwort von Axel:
True, today's AVCHD positions itself more in the mass market, so up to around 1000 euros. The class of gehobeneren camcorder, however it is at 3000 to 6000 euros, and the leaves often with HDV, in one case, synonymous with DVC PRO HD. Depends stop depends on what you want - perhaps the questioner speaks precisely of those up to 1000 euro appliances? Okay, then I write here Tacheles times. If I, as a thank you for the subscription of a magazine to acquire an Everio gift, I would be delighted. And they immediately set on ebay. If I had ¬ 1000, synonymous, I knew what camera I would buy this. The sparrows fall from boredom of the roofs, because it is always the same for months ;-)
Antwort von telex:
I was only at the FX1, now now I get the part of all to hear that for a layman is not recommended. Now I was already in a small and I can not decide whether or HDV or AVCHD hard drive.
Only gave me the JVC GZ HD7 liked, but then I read of too many disadvantages: blurred edges, slow autofocus, OIS not so great.
And then the problem with the playback of HD ....
Antwort von immanuelkant:
I was only at the FX1, now now I get the part of all to hear that for a layman is not recommended. .... So I would be synonymous as a layman can identify with and the HDR-FX1 very clear!
If you do not mind that the camera bigger and heavier than a small consumer device, then they get you! For the size you get at least a good Lens about this ;-)
Antwort von Axel:
I was only at the FX1, now now I get the part of all to hear that for a layman is not recommended. Laymen who
do not trust, are not recommended. From the point of view throughout the FX1 is a round thing. They should be realistic for 2000 ¬ in the current range position. KA, whether they are eligible for this price to acquire.
And then the problem with the playback of HD .... Is it no problem. Are you perhaps a layman who is not trusted?
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
KA, whether they are eligible for this price to acquire.
No.. Zwo-seven are still called ... some idiot is even dreaming of SonyUVP and wants for the 4300 or so agreem :-))))
Antwort von telex:
so give it your FX1 videos again?
Antwort von wolfgang:
- Xoro HSD8500
- TViX HD
- PS3
- Various Blu Ray Player, which selbstgebannte AVCHD DVD or BD-R can play
- Other Network Player, as the old Pinnacle SC200
and most recently playing on the PC.
Antwort von telex:
AVCHD DVD? is but the FX1 is not necessary?
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
You will not be prevented from the FX1 material for the issue to make AVCHD :-)
Otherwise xoro8500 and Playstation 3 for playback s.TV excellent; the Xoro synonymous still has the advantage that it is synonymous wmv, divx, etc. etc. etc. etc. can play.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von telex:
I can, for example, with the Panasonic DMP-BD30EG synonymous HDV material back to what I previously had gebrannnt on DVD?
Antwort von telex:
said material of the HDV FX1 / 7 ..
Antwort von wolfgang:
So on the producer side
http://www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=4 @ - @ 1 @ 379 @ 377@@@@DMP-K @ BD30EG Blu-ray | Disc Player @ & old-fashioned = N & upper = & prop =
You can find the info that the player about BD-R BDMV structure can - BDs are so self-evidently, if they are in this BDMV structure to be created.
AVCHD can synonymous - that are presumably meant AVCHD DVDs which they are normally of the various tools for AVCHD Achivierung of materials. Would potentially AVCHD DVDs. Could synonymous but the playback capability of AVCHD material sticks to his data, is not exactly stop there.
In both of these formats, you can basically your HDV material with HD-capable authoring tools such as the film distiller 6 + HD-Pack plus bring. The player is brand new and apparently appears only in March - I do not know whether someone in the practice Vorseriengeräte this test can, and can only say that all this is only possible interpretations of the description of the manufacturer can be. Wait to buy and test?
Antwort von telex:
'm very Beginners and knows that he probably would have AVCHD can the small DVD's from the camcorder directly appeal?
which format stores the FX7? (*.???) My question was whether this format on a normal DVD can burn and then watch on the player?
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
The FX7 saves the files as MPEG 2 on tape. Since this data has not yet filenames.
After capturing with HDV Split or a
good editing program should make a file (or several, depending on the setting) with the suffix. M2t are (still mpeg2). That should be a standalone player barely read / play it. My xoro8500, which otherwise is as omnivorous, these files may not in any event.
Pinnacle Studio separates üblerweise of the camera-based data in audio / video on it is a. M2v files and two. Wav files (stereo left and right). These files can be used in other software, it is difficult to join because it is clear Tonversatz there. PS can circumvent.
For playback, you should, therefore, the FX1 / FX7 material with HDVSplit capture, possibly even cut / edit and then in the instructions of your player desire to see what you can forward it. The xoro8500 processes such as WMV 720/25p very beautiful.
On the PC is, of course, all directly represented, possibly with the VLC Player.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von wolfgang:
Discs can then play when they are in a format has created, which is the current player can handle. Therefore depends on both players as synonymous of preparation - the Authoring - of the material.
More than one way aufzuzueigen how the run could be about, and for a player who is still barely know what is currently not possible. And some posts before even find a listing of what the material is a player high-FX7 will be able to play.
The FX7 is an HDV camcorder - please read out the data sheets or look at the manufacturing side, which are synonymous questions you may even rausfindet.
Antwort von Gast.:
which format stores the FX7? (*.???) My question was whether this format on a normal DVD can burn and then watch on the player? Yes, a decent editing program can be.
Antwort von telex:
what file types are stored as / capturing possible and useful for "Vegas"? If I do not have a suitable player did?
The FX7 saves the files as MPEG 2 on tape. Since this data has not yet filenames.
After capturing with HDV Split or a good editing program should make a file (or several, depending on the setting) with the suffix. M2t are (still mpeg2). That should be a standalone player barely read / play it. My xoro8500, which otherwise is as omnivorous, these files may not in any event.
Pinnacle Studio separates üblerweise of the camera-based data in audio / video on it is a. M2v files and two. Wav files (stereo left and right). These files can be used in other software, it is difficult to join because it is clear Tonversatz there. PS can circumvent.
For playback, you should, therefore, the FX1 / FX7 material with HDVSplit capture, possibly even cut / edit and then in the instructions of your player desire to see what you can forward it. The xoro8500 processes such as WMV 720/25p very beautiful.
On the PC is, of course, all directly represented, possibly with the VLC Player.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
what file types are stored as / capturing possible and useful for "Vegas"? If I do not have a suitable player did?
The FX7 saves the files as MPEG 2 on tape. Since this data has not yet filenames.
After capturing with HDV Split or a good editing program should make a file (or several, depending on the setting) with the suffix. M2t are (still mpeg2). That should be a standalone player barely read / play it. My xoro8500, which otherwise is as omnivorous, these files may not in any event.
Pinnacle Studio separates üblerweise of the camera-based data in audio / video on it is a. M2v files and two. Wav files (stereo left and right). These files can be used in other software, it is difficult to join because it is clear Tonversatz there. PS can circumvent.
For playback, you should, therefore, the FX1 / FX7 material with HDVSplit capture, possibly even cut / edit and then in the instructions of your player desire to see what you can forward it. Xoro8500 The processes such as WMV 720/25p very beautiful.
On the PC is, of course, all directly represented, possibly with the VLC Player.
BG, Andreas The VLC is freeware. Otherwise, in this thread but everything I said ...
Antwort von telex:
Now if I do not suppose but HDVsplit Vegas, because I can choose which format as I save it? Which format is playable s.wahrscheinlichsten with the Panasonic?
Antwort von Axel:
Now if I do not suppose but HDVsplit Vegas, because I can choose which format as I save it? Which format is playable s.wahrscheinlichsten with the Panasonic? I think that we have not much experience with expensive BD players made. The money is probably not relaxed enough to more than 500 ¬ for a joke from discontinued model output. There's the government `still a lot to do.
I have an HD DVD player
borrowed my H.264
(answer to the question of the best codec) disc did not like. Allegedly, because Toshiba player does not play 50i, 60i and 24p only.
Since many of the PS3 set, that would be my tip. Not
too expensive, nice shape, and obviously proven to play your own HD movies. Follow but Wolfgang's link up next.
Antwort von telex:
I somehow refuse ne game console in the living room to have ...
Antwort von roedely:
Take hold the
Sony PS3 Multimedia Center. The additional possibility of a game this versatile device so you must not use and it is synonymous only a secondary matter in many other skills!
The case will decide the man with brains and not with your head!
Antwort von roedely:
'm very Beginners and knows that he probably would have AVCHD can the small DVD's from the camcorder directly appeal?
which format stores the FX7? (*.???) My question was whether this format on a normal DVD can burn and then watch on the player? what do you do with the camcorder?
gruß cj
ps.für holidays / leisure & fun, a full HV20
a large cam always has the disadvantage of schlepperei
this makes it not even so ... is like and with the digiknipsen
a DSLR ...
Antwort von Axel:
[quote = "cj"] [
what do you do with the camcorder? [/ quote]
I knew synonymous with pleasure. The HV20 with the HDMI output is synonymous a good player, but that would be more flies ...
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Now if I do not suppose but HDVsplit Vegas, because I can choose which format as I save it? Both synonymous with Vegas as a man with HDVSplit stores the data of the FX7 as synonymous of each other via firewire transferring HDV cameras. M2t.
To make it simple to make, which reads no affordable stand-alone player, just the PC. On your PC do you post and save as --
damn, I have already described above, but ??????@*~##{%&$$§@ ¬% &
Antwort von telex:
is probably synonymous to, because I'll just ask in the theory. Is hard to illustrate.
I have before: the father and wants to be in a reasonable quality film. Also synonymous holiday. The FX7 is somewhat compact?
I think you take the camcorder not to play? Then it would be so simple ...
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
The FX7 is somewhat compact? At least according to me this question hovers strangely ever the word "TROLL" before your eyes.
The FX7 is an HDV camcorder - please read out the data sheets or look at the manufacturing side, which are synonymous questions you may even rausfindet. This is probably nothing to add.
Antwort von telex:
I honestly do not now what with the "Troll" to do?
compact than the FX1, I thought ....
Antwort von Axel:
... compact than the FX1, I thought .... Even more compact, yet with crisp images, much less would be the Canon HV20. This is cool because of the connection to the TV and the included remote control synonymous equal playing a practical device. Trollig, or funny, we say, is why you do not rausrückst what your criteria are. On instructions of our's is not lacking. And a decision, we do not diminish.
Antwort von telex:
my criteria:
s.erster place the HD quality
s.zweiter office processing and haptics
s.dritter site must not be small and Video Editing is synonymous not primarily important because I'm more the type of the recorded just away presents.
I like the HV20 optical not so ...
Antwort von roedely:
... compact than the FX1, I thought ....
..., Yet crisp images with ... would be the Canon HV20. Therefore, I would like a document or two movies ...
Antwort von Axel:
... compact than the FX1, I thought ....
..., Yet crisp images with ... would be the Canon HV20.
Therefore, I would like a document or two movies ... Only a general impression. The FX1, I know well, the HV20, I had times when brother shortly see. I do not advertise anything. If you're convinced, the FX1 was sharper, then so be it.
