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Frage von gimik:


Hello

Has the Hv30 an integrated ND filter or not? In Comparison Slashcam camcorder is yes and the video issue is that the has not. What's wrong now?

If so, he can be activated at any time?

Vielen Dank schon mal.
Regards

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Antwort von Musashi:

I have the HV20. Although nothing in the instructions on this is, I have often read about, that they are an integrated ND filter possesses, based on demand auto zuschaltet. A manual connection is not known to me.

Since the HV30 is only marginally of the HV20 different times I agree that when it just will be.

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Antwort von domain:

If HV30 explicitly mentioned that they do not Graufilter has or is just not mention that she has one?

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Antwort von Musashi:

In most descriptions is online:

"For recording in very bright surroundings is an ND filter (Graufilter - Neutral Density) integrated."

Jan has the user synonymous in a forum post confirmed.

Only where the information comes, I do not know because in the manual of my knowledge, nothing is. On the Canon Page incidentally not synonymous.

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Antwort von domain:

I would not write synonymous. You have to look at the confusion, imagine if the ambient light changes and the cam still for long periods of time Aperture 4 and 1 / 100 sec stand still, so apparently not responding to what in reality is the case. Consumer thinking (if anything) is always only in Aperture and time and not yet gray in third dimension.

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Antwort von WoWu:

This poses the question whether such small lenses and image sensors are still mechanical apertures are possible. Perhaps the HV30 yes no more ...?? ... because the diffraction s.der already open aperture is so large that it is not really sharp pictures anymore.

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Antwort von shipoffools:

"Musashi" wrote: In most descriptions is online:

"For recording in very bright surroundings is an ND filter (Graufilter - Neutral Density) integrated."

Jan has the user synonymous in a forum post confirmed.

Only where the information comes, I do not know because in the manual of my knowledge, nothing is. On the Canon Page incidentally not synonymous.


The HV30 has definitely take a ND filter.
Here is an interesting excerpt from an article of Barry Greenstein. This article is on the HV20, but I do not know why the ND filter on the HV30 "expanded" should have. o)
The man has apparently intensively with the HV20 apart.

"The camera has what appears to be a rotating variable-density neutral density filter that it brings into play when the light gets too bright. If you watch deep into the lens EXP s.you change that setting, you can see s.ND filter rotating behind the iris. It's only a guess, but I'm guessing that the neutral density filter in the HV20 is not a fixed filter, but that it's a wheel that gets progressively darker as the HV20 can select the amount of ND it wants to use fairly seamlessly. So yes, the exposure is changing down s.the bottom end of the scale, but it's not due to shutter or iris changes, it's actually a rotating neutral density filter that's shifting to stronger and stronger positions.
"

The entire article is also very helpful regarding the manual control of shutter, aperture and "exposure setting" (BEL). .. In HV20/30 Thus, synonymous (indirect) influence on gain and ND filters.
The function "BEL". the HV20/30 is in the article with "EXP" (Exposure) refers.
For complete article go here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/article.php/8

Slashcam writes relating to ND filter in the HV30 (though in the article's synonymous a very useful tip is ...):
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Tips/ Canon HV20 image parameter professionally-kontrollieren.html

Even when Slashcam Camcorders Comparison is both the HV20 as synonymous with the HV30 under "ND filter" a clear "Yes".
... and I do not know why Slashcam without facts should indicate so.

On the subject of the HV30 Aperture:

"WoWu" wrote: This poses the question whether such small lenses and image sensors are still mechanical apertures are possible. Perhaps the HV30 yes no more ...?? ...


The HV30 has a stink normal opening aperture in the form of a lamina aperture (iris).

Greeting
shipoffools

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Antwort von WoWu:

The fears I have, because to me the question is not really opens up: why?
With a pixel pitch of 2.5 microns is when you have Aperture 4 in the intolerable range of flexion. When the Red Light shares already more.

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Antwort von shipoffools:

About Sense or nonsense of a mechanical aperture in the HV30, I can not say this, I am too few engineers and certainly not a physicist. Quite useless, it will not, otherwise they would not be built, I think.

But still something else, synonymous when it deviates from the topic now.
When re-reading the above article Slashcam I noticed a small discrepancy. As the article writes Slashcam of Barry Green:
"It remains, however, the secret, how the camera to take synonymous nor the gain-values issue."

If one reads the article exactly, is there that he Gainwerte the HV20 with a SonyFX1 show could be.

"However, if you have access to a Sony HDV camcorder (or perhaps s.Canon XHA1 would do this s.well?) You can play the footage back in the larger camcorder and turn on its display code data, and the bigger camcorder wants actually display what the gain was. I was able to map out the gain values by playing the footage back into a SonyFX1. "

Who does not have the option of the Gainwerte on a professional camcorder to show, can do with a small, useful program called HDV video data monitor of meeting user elCutty do.
The tool is not fully mature, but still works quite well. You can enable both m2t files play, but then the aperture value, shutter speed and the Gainwerte be viewed as synonymous data via FireWire directly from the camcorder to retrieve. This works with the HV30 and with their m2t files properly. Also SonyHC1 - 7 and the FX1 will be supported, according to author. The only error that the test of my m2t files noticed is that the program after each viewing a file has to be restarted in order to display the Picture flawlessly, but no expense is too great.
On the Evaluation of tests under different lighting conditions and with different parameters, the program is still very helpful!
All that "something" have sought and need it can find the monitor HDV data here:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=2488&hilightuser=22

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Antwort von gimik:

Thank you very much for the many replies and the good inputs.

@ shipoffools: The report is very interesting and I will surely be the more closely take.

Thank you all
Grüsse Gimik

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Antwort von -ssSonyY-:

"shipoffools" wrote:
... and I do not know why Slashcam without facts should indicate so.


yes this is not meant as a criticism, but a small example .. in the HVR HD 1000 is in the external controls, "Focus-switch": No. .. but it is wrong, because this is available .. ;-)

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Antwort von shipoffools:

No fear ssSonyY, synonymous, I know that is not infallible Slashcam ...
But in the case of the ND-filter with the AGM-30 times, I believe that the information is correct.
... Not to have synonymous, I admit my fallibility. ;-)

Greeting
shipoffools

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