Frage von Räuber:
Moin forum, sometimes I need the tips of the audio experts. Have now learned that a good sound is as important as good Picture! Now I was thinking of the possibilities of the tonal improvement I could already make the recording. To my hardware: SonyFX 1000 (ie Line inputs) and as a micro Hama RMZ-10 (not to beat ... I had before my first Sonyan D8)
Option 1: Buy the FX1000 and purchase of a camcorder that has XLR inputs (well, hindsight), such as the AX2000. stupid in my eyes, is much burnt Money.
Option 2: Purchase a Beachtek DXA-2T, can join the two XLR microphones. Does that make sense, since the signal is s.den camcorder from the line-output of the Beachtek, so yes is synonymous only the sum total of the audio signal is recorded, it would be available so no two tracks? Profit in this variant would be the XLR cabling and thus the ungestörterte signal, compared with a line connection.
Option 3: Purchase a high quality directional microphone for the line input and also a good radio link, to avoid the trouble-prone cable.
What would be your alternative? Oh yes, Target is open-air events, such as horse riding, theater, or corporate videos, mainly for the internet or DVD.
What would be directional microphone in option 3 is recommended (may like to taste a good three-figure sum), and spider and Deadcat already exist (Rode)?
So if you've kept up through here, thanks for reading and the tips that will come from the Forum ...
Greetings of the Ostseee,
Stefan
Antwort von nicecam:
I'm fast! Gell? :-)
But unfortunately, not the audio expert :-(
... A good radio link, to avoid the trouble-prone cable. Cables but s.wenigstens susceptible to interference, the radio link will help but always where cable - - yes
interfere now. About this I
stumbled your sentence.
You realize you have to read between the lines. ;-)
Antwort von deti:
Variant 3 with 3-piece Sennheiser Set (with plug-on) and possibly Rode NTG-2 is not a bad choice.
Deti
Antwort von Numquam:
Moinsen of the Baltic Sea ;-)
First of all, the sound is much more important than the pure Picture. In most productions, the sound is the crunch point.
What do you mean why sound engineers are in such demand. Heini film can be anyone. Mixer, however, says even the word, needs a champion.
And for good reason.
Great pictures with a bad sound lose their effect. So, are virtually worthless.
Great pictures with bombastic sound are against the creed and should be standard.
If you want to do you so what good sell your FX 1000 and you put a camcorder to the min. 2 XLR Connections has.
The quality Micros work with almost any phantom power.
If you hinblättert much money for a micro does not want to but the quality of the hunt for a Beachtek the signal deteriorated further so that it then ends up in line with the camcorder and place is further converted to digital.
The money is burning!
Similarly, radio links have only XLR. Throughout the adaptation you lose quality and have s.Kabeln a maze and extra weight s.deiner Cam. This must not be.
Before you get additional equipment to buy your FX 1000 and Money burn, you put NEN new camcorder to the all new technical features that are currently owns up to date, to n ordinary shielded XLR - Cable plus Rode NTG 3 and the drops is sucked.
In addition, there ne boom and everything is great.
The rest you have, yes.
I had to choose I'd go for a newer camcorder.
Greetz
Antwort von NEEL:
Have now learned that a good sound is as important as good Picture! Great! This important insight has not any.
To my hardware: SonyFX 1000 (ie Line inputs) and as a micro Hama RMZ-10 (not to beat ... I had before my first Sonyan D8) Camera you can keep, not micro. In the ton or so of the bay.
Option 1: Buy the FX1000 and purchase of a camcorder that has XLR inputs (well, hindsight), such as the AX2000. stupid in my eyes, is much burnt Money.
Option 2: Purchase a Beachtek DXA-2T, can join the two XLR microphones. Does that make sense, since the signal is s.den camcorder from the line-output of the Beachtek, so yes is synonymous only the sum total of the audio signal is recorded, it would be available so no two tracks? Profit in this variant would be the XLR cabling and thus the ungestörterte signal, compared with a line connection. Think you prefer to buy a proper sound equipment. Beachtek is crap compared with a good mixer.
Good mixer in the budget range (used):
SQN 3 or 4
Wendt X2 or X3
Option 3: Purchase a high quality directional microphone for the line input and also a good radio link, to avoid the trouble-prone cable. Why do not you come around.
What would be your alternative? Oh yes, Target is open-air events, such as horse riding, theater, or corporate videos, mainly for the internet or DVD.
What would be directional microphone in option 3 is recommended (may like to taste a good three-figure sum), and spider and Deadcat already exist (Rode)?
basically you need different mics for different applications. The Rode NTG3 is not bad, but a (slightly inferior) copy of the Sennheiser MKH 416 To the latter I would advise you synonymous, because it is under pressure from the Rode NTG3 become significantly cheaper, first and second, one of the standard microphones in the film and television sector. You can use it especially for outdoor shots. For interior shots I advise you to bet on long-term Schoeps. In each case one and a MK4 MK41 capsule + CMC6 power adapter. MK 41 + Mk4 eg for dialogs (synonymous interviews), MK 4, for example for dialogue (theater) + instruments (depending on Tonsituation and noise sources).
Ebay prices ca:
MKH416: 400 ¬
Schoeps CMC 6: 400 ¬
Schoeps MK 41 capsule: 300 ¬
Schoeps MK 4 capsule: 300 ¬
Wendt X2 Mixer: 300 ¬
Sennheiser ew 100 wireless distance: 300 ¬
so you have a good basic equipment, which moves in my experience, always at least between 2000 and 3000 ¬. With the mixer available on line in the camera and / or record to an external 24-bit WAV recorder.
A good sound equipment will cost good money, as opposed to the outdated camera equipment but almost not at all. And as you already know: Poor Picture the audience frequently, however, never forgive bad sound :-).
Antwort von deti:
so you have a good basic equipment, which moves in my experience, always at least between 2000 and 3000 ¬. @ Neel: Whether the robbers really wanted so much financially committed to improve its sound?
Honestly, I would do without a mixer, because it is always synonymous with another sound man should take it. I would also look at that all microphones synonymous with no phantom power can be used (eg, Rode NTG-2). It is pragmatic and universal.
Deti
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... SonyFX 1000 (ie Line inputs) ... Only Line? A Mic input is likely, possibly a convertible synonymous between Mic level and line level as in comparable Sony.
... Does that make sense, as synonymous ... only the sum total of the audio signal is recorded, it would indeed there are no two sound tracks ?!... Would be very surprised if that was only in this form. The FX1000 will hopefully have a stereo input and the Beachtek has a stereo output. As not only a composite audio signal mixed lands on the tape, but have separated the two channels. In the way of an audio mixer, it would run at least as, and everything would change me quite impractical.
... Profit in this variant would be the XLR cabling and thus the ungestörterte signal, compared with a line connection ... Can it be that with you "line" actually "catch" mean - that is not up to the type of signal present relationships, but rather to the construction of the cable and the times?
... Purchase of a high-quality directional microphones ... and also a good radio link, to avoid the trouble-prone cable ... A radio link is handy if you can exploit their advantages synonymous. Are less susceptible to interference but good cable channels.
... Nor spark gaps have only XLR ... At least the standard of Sennheiser operate over the same jack. Sennheiser sets even when both cable versions.
Greetings s.den Baltic ;-))
Antwort von Numquam:
At least the standard of Sennheiser operate over the same jack. Sennheiser sets even when both cable versions.
Because You're absolutely right. Only if one already has one uses the XLR dispensed synonymous and whenever possible to handle. That's what I meant.
Greetz
Antwort von Räuber:
First of all thanks for the tips ...
@ Bernd E.: Yes, I have my jack, I something with "Line" confused?
@ Neel: deti has since been right that a financially but a size too big ...
@ Numquam: The sale of the FX1000 scares me something, I go sometimes of 2.300 ¬ retail price, ie ¬ 1700 I would have to limp for example, a AX2000 on the top with is a lot of wood.
So interest sake, what corner of the Baltic Sea is my country?
The FX1000 is synonymous in my opinion not a bad camera come with well you can handle. Since the Beachtek here performs poorly, this variant differs from most. Thus, it is a good micro and also a radio link.
If the zoom H4n a reasonable alternative to record sounds?
Greetings of the Baltic Sea,
Stefan
Antwort von handiro:
yes such a recorder with XLR and phantom power is already very good. Since there are plenty of Choice ...
I have taken today with NEM old edirol 09, synonymous very well.
The decisive factor is the placement of the microphones!
1-2 In addition, radio links of Sennheiser, absolutely necessary.
a cam with good audio department is getting better but an external recorder is synonymous to the need. On average, it will get but uncomfortable with the external sound ...
The decisive factors are the microphones! Schoeps is top class! There is hardly anything better! MKH 416 = good! Carbon is a good fishing well synonymous.
In principle, the decision to invest in sound absolutely right!
Antwort von deti:
If the zoom H4n a reasonable alternative to record sounds? Why carry such a burden - especially in post? Your camera has mic / line inputs and can even disqualify one manual. All it takes to record a good sound. I would get a radio link and an NTG-2. The price for this is <1000 ¬ and you have achieved a significant improvement with reasonable means.
http://www.thomann.de/de/sennheiser_ew_100_eng_g3eband.htm
http://www.thomann.de/de/rode_ntg_2.htm
Deti
