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Frage von Aljoscha.Niko:
Januar 2008

Hi,

have the following question: I have a Sennheiser MKE 300, that I will connect s.meine SonyHC14E (yes, most say that the micro-HC14 does not connect, it has everything ... but I already tested). And since I do filme aircraft synonymous and a radio scanner, I would like to fly radio nachvertonen. This toll across the whole thing, I would then s.der spot where the aircraft radio traffic is heard the noise of the airplane spin a little quieter ... That should work as far as everything, and I can already imagine how it all goes around ... BUT: The Flight Radio has virtually yes> live <overdubbed, so that everything fits together. The problem is that the radio in the aircraft noise hardly hear ... One would have virtually the radio in a Soundproof box together with another Microphone lay so much of the radio traffic is heard. Ultimately, I would then only have everything in the video editing program cut to fit together and ready ... sounds so easy! But what you said about this, did you have any tips on how to accomplish this could be? I think something here:





Antwort von castingeurope:

the fly so you can basically do not bring radios ...?!

but if you know someone who at that time, could have the time of the home, or perhaps it has a line-OUT (read Köpfhöreranschluss) ... then yes it could be directly on a PC or a recording device to play ...

maybe a few more details, lr still reminds me what a ...

lg Fabian



Antwort von castingeurope:

Where is the problem?
If you think of radio scanner aufnimmst, but there is no problem wg. the aircraft, right?

LG








Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:

Well, I did not in his plane to ... But I take the yes on the outside of, and they are not necessarily outside of Silent ... ;) Oh, incidentally, still a little bit relating to "all electronic devices off" (Do this by contact with a Lufthansa pilot to know): The fact that we all electronic devices off during the flight must be not quite so true, this is for safety reasons, always called for. .. It is tastächlich so that all electronic equipment in KEINERWEISE with> frequency <, or radio signals have to do s.bleiben can. Otherwise, yes probably on the plane once the light is not lit, the illumination geschweigedenn ... However, one should actually all devices in the slightest sense with radio frequencies and signals have to do off.

MfG

PS: I want with a separate microphone, the radio call from the radio scanner record, but the Microphone is not so smart stop and take on only what rauskommt from the scanner, but the separate mic is yes then the noise of the aircraft on .. .



Antwort von castingeurope:

Why all at the same time?
Why not one after the other?



Antwort von jansi:

Synonymous times I have told the pilot that the power lever suddenly pushed to the front ... The reason was his cell phone connected.

"A guest" wrote:
the fly so you can basically do not bring radios ...?!

When flying, or fly with?!

The wireless scanner is not as disturbing, but much more disturbing is that you as an individual do not listen to radio can fly, right?



Antwort von mentao:

D. In the unauthorized interception of radio air prohibited by the Constitution: Article 10 Basic Law guarantees the secrecy of telecommunications iA ..

(Quote: www.flightforum.ch)

mfg



Antwort von mentao:

but nevertheless:

http://www.surfmusik.de/flug.htm



Antwort von C.I.W:

I understand your problem. If you are outside of the film and radio aufnimmst, why should it then by the noise of the outside to be disturbed? Or have you seriously tried s.das radio's microphone to ask?



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"CIW" wrote:
I understand your problem. If you are outside of the film and radio aufnimmst, why should it then by the noise of the outside to be disturbed?

When you start s.Rand an airport or landing jets takes, you're partially so close that it is already pretty loud can. The radio conversations between pilot and tower, in that moment, the speaker of the scanner would have to hear (and Aljoscha the launch), there are simply overpowers.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von castingeurope:

aero funk is in my knowledge (P) is not prohibited, would be to speak with (American) bring the tot ...



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Anonymous" wrote:
aero funk is in my knowledge (P) is not prohibited ...

Flight is not prohibited, only the unauthorized eavesdropping, it is the same ;-) That makes the German Telecommunications Act, unfortunately, no exception.

Gruß Bernd E.








Antwort von jansi:

"Aljoscha.Niko" wrote:
The Flight has practically yes> live <overdubbed, so that everything fits together.


"Bernd E." wrote:
When you start s.Rand an airport or landing jets takes, you're partially so close that it is already pretty loud can. The radio conversations between pilot and tower, in that moment, the speaker of the scanner would have to hear (and Aljoscha the launch), there are simply overpowers.


At the moment that the plane "lands", the Tower of the pilots land the machine no longer anfunken, unless he is asked to durchzustarten. Conclusion: From Endteil of approach to the touchdown, you'll no longer Muck hear from the cockpit.
Therefore, it is perhaps not "live" his.



Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:

"jansi" wrote:
At the moment that the plane "lands", the Tower of the pilots land the machine no longer anfunken, unless he is asked to durchzustarten. Conclusion: From Endteil of approach to the touchdown, you'll no longer Muck hear from the cockpit.
Therefore, it is perhaps not "live" his.


Yes, that's true of course. Bernd E. had it with his penultimate contribution records.

@ Guest after my last post: Yes, everything possible must also be included, because of:

Tower: Lufthansa 255, cleared for take off on runway 26 left, surface wind 210 degrees, 10 knots.

Then it does not fit, if we permit the start of a Lufthansa machine on runway 26 links in the picture and hear an Air Berlin machine sees on the runway 4 Right lands. ;)

@ jansi: How to but in the video from my link is posted, the permission to start waiting in front of a tight machine, the engines are running and it is not exactly silent. The machine does not boot, but the aircraft radio is now überhört anyway, because the plane is just there. ;)

MfG

Oh, PS: Flight mitzuhören is a maximum withdrawal of the radio's. When to disrupt radio communications, or say, can allow an even a prison sentence involved. And radio communications, for example, tell the police, or even mitzuhören goes very quickly to its custodial sentence and one that should not be underestimated the fine. ;)



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Aljoscha.Niko" wrote:

Oh, PS: Flight mitzuhören is a maximum withdrawal of the radio's. When to disrupt radio communications, or say, can allow an even a prison sentence involved. And radio communications, for example, tell the police, or even mitzuhören goes very quickly to its custodial sentence and one that should not be underestimated the fine. ;)

How easy is it not ... where the unauthorized eavesdropping not specifically criminalized will take is still in the protection of the D is not publicly spoken word = offense. One of the special protection Entertainment (Scrambling) is required to not only prerequisite is the use of technical means (scanner) to intercept / recording.
The website quoted contains recorded interviews from Amiland, as may be legal: not here.
BG, Andreas



Antwort von svennibskciu:

My goodness, this is a legal forum?



Antwort von thos-berlin:

Regardless of the legal page, I can not judge yet again, the technical note.

The radio signal can be directly but from a line-out or headphone port of the scanner record. First, the signal is understandable, because only the Funkton is heard (which is certainly synonymous nor incomprehensible enough) and secondly, can then launch a rocket next to it without the sound affected.

If your camera an external stereo Tonanschluß has s.einen could be a micro channel connecting the Atmo for, s.den other channel scanner. Then Picture and sound fit perfectly synchronously.

Please enter the building before turning in peace to try, especially the synonymous level adjustments for the scanner to make.

Regardless of which of course would be a completely separate synonymous Recording of Funktons (possibly even at home) is conceivable. (If it is authentic, the sound should be, then, at the same time of the shooting aufnhemen possibly by mobile phone to start the recording coordinate.

All these approaches assume that the radio scanner is not the pilot or someone else is needed, but who possibly has its own scanner!



Antwort von svennibskciu:

Here you can even see the radio traffic "retroactively" to download:

http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=international-eu

Guest



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Anonymous" wrote:
... is a legal forum?

Just because an individual lawyer writes here, not sure yet ;-) But since None of us in a legal vacuum rotates, it can not hurt, synonymous with this aspect of the filming to have in mind.
What s.Flughäfen recordings, I have, however - without even owning a scanner - the experience that the eye of the law usually photographers / filmmakers over the more or less openly worn across scanner sees. This tolerance should not make us forget that the eavesdropping or recording of the flight and radio simply moving is banned, and who - perhaps in the course of just s.Flughäfen occasionally increased terrorism paranoia - why anger gets bad times now has maps .

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:

"Aljoscha.Niko" wrote:

Oh, PS: Flight mitzuhören is a maximum withdrawal of the radio's. When to disrupt radio communications, or say, can allow an even a prison sentence involved. And radio communications, for example, tell the police, or even mitzuhören goes very quickly to its custodial sentence and one that should not be underestimated the fine. ;)


So it has me, at least my uncle as a policeman said. ;) If the flight is actually a total radio ban erläge, we would have already blocked all frequencies. Because you need only with a car near the airport and make the car find the right frequency, and already you can hear everything clearly and significantly ... (If ever the idea!);) The flight of the radio frequencies are based on very simple AM frequencies in the range of 108.xx to 134.xx, which you can with each radio and in an appropriately low eintunen distance. The police radio, however, is a succulent with protection, it is the first attempt to circumvent and radio if the flight actually would be totally banned, if you had synonymous with a defense that already laid.

@ thos-berlin: Thanks for the info. First, I will try, but simply in the car radio to take flight - because it's nice and quiet you can customize the Lautsärke.

MfG



Antwort von thos-berlin:

Quote:
First, I will try, but simply in the car radio to take flight - because it's nice and quiet you can customize the Lautsärke.


Also from the car radio will only be recorded once ... ;-)








Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Aljoscha.Niko" wrote:
If the flight is actually a total radio ban erläge, we would have already blocked all frequencies. Because you need only with a car near the airport and make the car find the right frequency, and already you can hear everything clearly and significantly ...

Flight uses the frequency range of 117.975 to 137 MHz. Den you get with a "normal" car is not clean.
"Aljoscha.Niko" wrote:

The police radio, however, is a succulent with protection, it is the first attempt to circumvent

No, he is not yet. In the planning is the introduction of digital radio (which is, however, be protected). The analog radio communications with a scanner can be received.
Who incidentally a non-public radio service (all BOS radio services!) Receives the content and may the fact of receiving other non-state (Section 89 Telecommunications Act). Unwittingly here means: You get inside the station and ask for a few minutes that it was BOS-Funk acts.
If you're curious, but then next and you will stay tuned, you do not accidentally but intentionally:
"Telecommunications Act" wrote:
§ 95
Punished with imprisonment up to two years or with fine will be punished, who opposed § 86 sentence 1 or 2, a listening post or content of a message, or the fact of her receiving another notification.

The law provides no means here before, that only specially protected message was not public. This may by the protective purpose of the Act synonymous not be otherwise.
The "sharing" is already in a video where a third party which will be presented, that is synonymous in the private sphere and only justice in the public.
"Aljoscha.Niko" wrote:

and if the flight actually totally wireless, would be prohibited, if you had synonymous with a defense that already laid.

There is also a fallacy. It is not all "free", which is not particularly technically protected. For example, it is prohibited by law and defined as a criminal offense to hold a conversation (synonymous one man with s.der is involved) must be recorded (unless of course, all (!) Parties agree).

Why do not you your own radio traffic? With a Micro, Audacity or another audio tool but should not be a problem.
BG, Andreas

Another PS: More on BOS is as usual in the Wikipedia.
Die Autoren führen dort ein Urteil des AG Burgdorf an (AZ: 4 DS/16 Js 7932/97), danach dürfe unverschlüsselter Funk mitgehört werden.
Man beachte, daß das lediglich eine einzelne Amtsgerichtsentscheidung ist, die authentic manner in the ninth for other trials and is certainly not the TKG can nullify. Other courts decide as overwhelmingly as the BayObLG, Decision of 9 Wikipedia.
Die Autoren führen dort ein Urteil des AG Burgdorf an (AZ: 4 DS/16 Js 7932/97), danach dürfe unverschlüsselter Funk mitgehört werden.
Man beachte, daß das lediglich eine einzelne Amtsgerichtsentscheidung ist, die February 1999 - 4ST RR 7 / 99: an offense.



Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote:
Flight uses the frequency range of 117.975 to 137 MHz ...


ONLY the ATC will use these frequencies! I said, however, all the frequencies which are used in the air (sorry, if I had not written ...).

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote:

Why do not you your own radio traffic? With a Micro, Audacity or another audio tool but should not be a problem.


So of course it is synonymous. ;) Sun, and now I want the discussion of legal matters is finished, I am finally microphones and Tips for audio editing and creation. D

PS: I'm sorry if I sometimes wrote nonsense, most likely, I have some (or quite a lot ...) had misunderstood the facts ... :)

MfG



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Aljoscha.Niko" wrote:
Now, I want the discussion of legal matters is finished

Sorry, that synonymous here other than purely technical things to Language comment. I mistakenly indicated that the legal Dich synonymous Page interested in your action. I see it, and that is not the case.



Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote:
... I mistakenly stated that the legal Dich synonymous Page interested in your action. I see it, and that is not the case.


Wrong. So I thought not. I am aware of what can happen to me, since it is already quite a lot Spotter (so called the people who photograph and film the planes ...) were caught, which finally here s.Flughafen nothing happened, because everybody Every knows, because I also know some s.Flughafen to turn the little "spotting clubs know and say that we should calmly. And I take this as permission to, maybe you can see the different synonymous, but because I know many s.Airport here and everything, so to speak, "Known" means, I have no problems. Would be different if I now would go to Frankfurt and would catch me.

MfG



Antwort von svennibskciu:

"jansi" wrote:
Synonymous times I have told the pilot that the power lever suddenly pushed to the front ... The reason was his cell phone connected.


sorry what's that for a pilot, would be a better bissl know is aware that the lever anyway bewegtm the auto pilot is the only hand out for possibly a start-ASbruch to or during landing durchzustarten

... sounds funny would be a bissl goggelt or surfing will know why ...

sorry to the real question I can not contribute much sorry



Antwort von svennibskciu:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schubhebel

The last paragraph



Antwort von jansi:

"Anonymous" wrote:
"jansi" wrote:
Synonymous times I have told the pilot that the power lever suddenly pushed to the front ... The reason was his cell phone connected.


sorry what's that for a pilot, would be a better bissl know is aware that the lever anyway bewegtm the auto pilot is the only hand out for possibly a start-ASbruch to or during landing durchzustarten

... sounds funny would be a bissl goggelt or surfing will know why ...

sorry to the real question I can not contribute much sorry


Hello, the name of the pilots I post here, of course not, but it is a Lufthansa pilot of the BAe 146 (or so) flies.
That the thrust levers "such as of a ghost" has been pushed to the front, is probably really unlikely (Aircraft is not exactly new). Rather, he s.den engine instruments, or just heard, I do not know.

"Another guest wrote:
The pilot is the only hand out for possibly a start-ASbruch to or during landing durchzustarten


If you're so fussy, then at least one of everything.



Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:

Thus, my use. : D The BAE's (Jumbo Linos called Manufacturer real name "British Aerospace "...) are the old versions of today's Avroliner. This Avro's already have Autothrottle, the old BAe's are not. Lufthansa has both types in the fleet.

MfG



Antwort von Smörrebröd:

sorry wolter halt only Klugscheißer








Antwort von Smörrebröd:

The box would sound from a tape recorder or synonymous
Dictaphone enough when Tonquallität, a connection cable and
slightly Technischekenntniß betehen.



Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:

Sorry, but I can not quite your Language decipher. ;)

MfG




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