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Kaufabsicht Canon XL H1 - offene Fragen

Intent to purchase Canon XL H1 - open questions



Frage von vacihh:
April 2008

I intend my video equipment zuzulegen. I'm trying to define just what I need and I put my own research dar. then some questions that I lack experience in order to find no answers. For tips on buying a good dealer in Hamburg or the one or the other think I would be very grateful.

Existing Equipment
" 18-55mm, 50-200mm Canon EF Lenses in use in my Canon SLR
" Good Tripod

Planned Extras
" camcorder
" Micro
" Light
" Cases
" div small accessories will surely be added

Key data equipment
" A constellation of the long hold
" Sharpness and Aperture by turning s.Lens - ie as in control of my reflex
" Regular Viewfinder
" Solid Farbeinstellmöglichkeiten not what I Krimskrams not synonymous in the post-production could
" Handy but not too easy

What do I want to object
" Top-quality
" mad sports - ROBUST:)
" Soft zoom
" Good Authentic material

Budget
If I consider it realistic with my ideas: 5000 and more. I would not mind only one fifth of lie.

My reflections
In principle, it could be a Canon because I think my good option two existing of Lenses with the Canon Cam to use. With Canon, I have been good experiences.

That restricts my options. Either the Canon XL H1 or XL2. The XL H1 is too expensive to me, however - I prefer to take more money for decent accessories in hand.

I think the XL 2 is a solid and eroprobte Camera. The most obvious shortcoming is the missing HD quality which for me might be of interest - just what the development in this area. I want so synonymous for many Money no technique of a couple years before buying.

A calculator, I have to cut. The economy synonymous HD - is not an issue.

Ask
Should I prefer a semi-HD Cam then just take my two Lenses can not use? By waiving the lens flexibility. But at a much lower cost?

Is HD really that much geiler? The HD has Glotze in 2 years every second. Even without a corresponding playback device it should be a bit better. Or is a good DV material?

Anybody who has a similar equipment with a similar constellation and Application - Tips? (SLR and Lenses for Canon Cam, a sensible light, s tip for a good Micro)


Thanks in advance!



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"vacihh" wrote:
Existing equipment ... ... ... good Tripod

If a photo tripod should be (with ball head or 3-way Neiger), then planning a new purchase synonymous a videotauglichen 2-Way Fluid-head.

"vacihh" wrote:
... because I think my good option two existing Canon Lenses of with the use of Cam ...

You know that you favor an additional, not very cheap adapter and need an extension factor of 7.2-fold get? So if you at extreme telephoto shots from you, this may be an interesting option, although I can not predict how the relatively simple optics on the image quality impact.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Naturvideo:

Moin vacihh,
I think your EF Lenses are not but EF-S Lenses. Then they do not fit.
Winfried








Antwort von vacihh:

Quote:
I think your EF Lenses are not but EF-S Lenses. Then they do not fit.


Quote:
You know that you favor an additional, not very cheap adapter and need an extension factor of 7.2-fold get?


The Page of Canon says:
Compatible with all Canon XL lenses, with an optional EF adapter compatible with all EF lenses.

I understand that, so the synonymous for the EFS lenses should apply?

Taste after a short search around the 550 EUR - really expensive in my opinion. The related amendment to the Focal is not so good. Probably suffers then synonymous nor the brightness of the lens. The fact is synonymous, which tend not to my Lenses are the luminous and I already wanted to remedy. Schön then it would be really the "brave new Lens" in Still Image and Video use them. Finally, the cost of a good lens and would like to have more than 550 EUR.

Quote:
If a photo tripod should be (with ball head or 3-way Neiger), then planning a new purchase synonymous a videotauglichen 2-Way Fluid-head.


I have fortunately one of Manfrotto 128RC. That is I think what you mean. Although I have purchased for photographing, but I have the dealer said this is synonymous as synonymous for good video. That was then the only sensible thing I looked. I watch just in the catalog of Manfrotto - and it is there as a video head synonymous advertised.



Antwort von Naturvideo:

Since I own the XL-H1 was synonymous and the EF adapter, I can only say sorry to you with EF-S as it gets. Have tried it myself, since I use the EF-S 60 macro effort wanted. Mei EF 100 Macro has unfortunately a great game to the Sharp manual points and is therefore unsuitable for video.
The video heads must be very heavy and well damped, since the XL has a high net weight brings. With EF-Lens is the whole, disconnects and very shaky. Sharp points you can use it with the camera viewfinder does not anyway, because it is too low Resolutionbesitzt. With HD you can see, unfortunately, not every focus carefully recording each and still so young Wobbler.
What do you want to actually filming Vacihh so? For action shots where the camera is in motion is the XL-Camera is not so much.
Winfried



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"vacihh" wrote:
... with optional EF adapter compatible with all EF lenses .... understand that, so the synonymous for the EFS lenses should apply? ...

Unfortunately it is not so, because EF and EF-S lenses are two different things. And just as EF-S Lenses s.zum example of the EOS 5D can be used, they fit s.den EF Adapter XL.

"vacihh" wrote:
have ... ... ... Manfrotto 128RC of Photography is synonymous purchased ... as a video head advertised ...

True, the 128 is a video head, which is already possible to see that he has no vertical position as it was for photographing yes very happy times but has. From the official carrying capacity since it would even without the XL for a large range of accessories, but whether the work is really fun? I would simply too small, but as you saw it now, you can test him.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von vacihh:

Quote:
With HD you can see, unfortunately, not every focus carefully recording each and still so young Wobbler.


So an argument against HD?

Quote:
What do you want to actually filming Vacihh so? For action shots where the camera is in motion is the XL-Camera is not so much.


Well, in principle, although it would be desirable if I have my camera at the subject's head and fasten to the bike can be mounted. The images would certainly geil. But I would rather be with a better camera solve - which can then failing to break synonymous go.

Basically my situation you had to imagine it: I know of the photograph with which I am a consumer solution would not be friends. I need full control. Concrete synonymous movies I have already planned - I wanted this for the Camera synonymous zBsein bicycle Tapen. Or I stop driving with the car on a trailer alongside. Also recorded in the water (kite surfing), I'd like to make. But somewhere there must be a compromise ago.

Mainly I have full control over my Picture!

If I, however, the lenses can not use the XL is no longer quite so compelling.



Antwort von vacihh:

Quote:
True, the 128 is a video head, which is already possible to see that he has no vertical position as it was for photographing yes very happy times but has.


The vertical position would be really desirable. I have tried to mount s.der Camera "adapted" Is not really "True" - but goes quite well.



Antwort von seedee701:

Please note that these operations, such as bicycles and surfboards, the camera sometimes hard Ruckler must join. tape-and Festplattenbasierende camcorder while producing dropouts or clerical error or a hard disk crash. Will you only a device with memory card to choose.
Winfried



Antwort von vacihh:

Quote:
Please note that these operations, such as bicycles and surfboards, the camera sometimes hard Ruckler must join. tape-and Festplattenbasierende camcorder while producing dropouts or clerical error or a hard disk crash. Will you only a device with memory card to choose.


As I already wrote - must be compromises. An interchangeable lens must have her. Then there is just no s.der Camera fork:)

At the moment I am really unsure as to what that is.



Antwort von PowerMac:

So hold times:

s.die Lenses do not fit anyway and had a seven-fold extension
b) is particularly powerful if they were not anyway, even less with extension
c) the difference between SD and HD is enormous
d) for action shots you need a Memory Card recording
e) your tripod is too bad

My Recommendation:

SonyEX1 and a larger tripod.



Antwort von vacihh:

Quote:
the difference between SD and HD is enormous


I now synonymous slowly out. I almost think I would regret it once on an "old" system to his wagon.

Quote:
for action shots you need a Memory Card recording


Schick would certainly - but somehow not to have. For the price.

Quote:
Your Tripod is too bad


For the Dir of vorgeschlagenge EX1 already - but it's synonymous with expensive.

So yes, I came to the XL2. The offers the right price and almost the right performance. HD does not stop. And now, I search for hours for the right product. Already speculating so do not have to change lens, but HD in a reasonable price range. Since there are probably very good equipment of various manufacturers.

At the moment looks to me the central question as follows:
HD and interchangeable lens?








Antwort von seedee701:

for action would be a sony vx2100 not bad (handy
and easy to use good picture but sd)
otherwise it will be in your price
to a canon A1 rauslaufen ...
gruß cj



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Gude ...

take one of Canon XH 1A

It's easy and makes good pictures is not as expensive.

Exchange optics make only with L IS optics sense (light)

(The use of different lenses (aka FD lenses Festival is not just to use)

An XL Camera can be used for fast movements, but s.das Bike "Tapen" ..... that was probably more of a joke, I think .....

Conclusion Take a XH = 1A so that you will be happy ..... Invest in a good FingerCam via mount and extra "protection body" as Action Cam is used.
A HV 20, you capture a bitch and recording device FingerCam use. It is small and may be done via backpack from surfer / biker taken with.

All in all, you are then synonymous around 6-7 euros ooo go, but then did 3 good cameras.

Finger HD Cams
http://www.pictureland.de/prof_minicam_00_HD.htm

Bike Steady Cam etc.
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY%3a-Bicycle---Steady-Cam---mount/

Alla wünsch and what a lot of fun filming
MfG
B. DeKid




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