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kaufberatung... für gigantischen camcorder

Kaufberatung ... for giant camcorder



Frage von kili:
Januar 2009

Hello,
because my 170 ¬-grade camcorder a bit frustrated (already poor image quality, sound stupid, etc.), I want to make me something clever, what a camcorder for me would ask.

- I cut in PAL resolution, ie no need hd device. synonymous is currently not planned, since I particularly videos on internet portals (and soon synonymous with forwards) spread
- I think the best for my wish would be a mini-DV camcorder. I have a bad experience with ultra-one-hdd camcorder made. awful! something I just do not want.
- Would be important to me that a mic connection is available.
- Traumhaft if I can adjust the focus ... how is called the expert? So stop biting can switch between motif and background sharp. s.besten fluently. thus more "space" in my pictures coming ...
- Tjo, exposure and color I had previously not sooo big problems. nice if the camcorder to record strong colors, that would be great of course.

now because.
speaks anything against it, a used camcorder to buy?
would you rather an ultra-modern mini camcorder recommended (but I have panic anxiety before any other storage media as a mini-dv!;)) or synonymous calm a "outdated"? mini dv I think mature and tjo ... as long as nothing else definitely prevails (and I have no great claims have appropriate) ...

which speaks for a different vault than the mini-dv?

which speaks for or against this camcorder?
http://cgi.ebay.de/Sony-DCR-VX2000E-Mini- DV Camcorder_W0QQitemZ280301449018QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Elektronik_Computer_Foto_Camcorder_Camcorder_PM? Item280301449018 hash = & _trksid = p3286.c0.m14 & _trkparms = 72% 3A1229 | 66% 3A2 | 65% 3A12 | 39% 3A1 | 240% 3A1318

grüße:

kilian



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"kili" wrote:

which speaks for or against this camcorder?
http://cgi.ebay.de/Sony-DCR-VX2000E-Mini- DV Camcorder_W0QQitemZ280301449018QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Elektronik_Computer_Foto_Camcorder_Camcorder_PM? Item280301449018 hash = & _trksid = p3286.c0.m14 & _trkparms = 72% 3A1229 | 66% 3A2 | 65% 3A12 | 39% 3A1 | 240% 3A1318

grüße:

kilian


Absolutely everything talks and speaks against it.



Antwort von kili:

Unfortunately I must announce that I am answering this a bit scrambled and subtly occurs. strictly speaking, is opening up to me at all not at all what you might have meant.





Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
So no need hd device. synonymous is currently not planned, since I particularly videos on internet portals (and soon synonymous with forwards) spread
The Internet portals dominate now synonymous HD. So this is no excuse. ;)

Quote:
I think the best for my wish would be a mini-DV camcorder. I have a bad experience with ultra-one-hdd camcorder made. awful! something I just do not want.
Unfortunately there are only a few MiniDV Choice - especially if you add "extras" such as the external microphone port needs. HDD, I would no longer synonymous buy. If you are what modern Wilster, take a model with SDHC cards.

Quote:
can adjust the focus ... how is called the expert? So stop biting can switch between motif and background sharp. s.besten fluently. thus more "space" in my pictures coming ...
Focus can be adjusted s.fast all camcorders, but you seem to do something completely different: the "free points" with the help of a low depth of field. The stands and falls with the size of the image converter, it works really nicely so far only with the DSLR cameras with video function (Nikon D90, Canon 5DII). Thus as a universal right to be recommended but are not. And common "normal" are relatively small image converter.

Quote:
speaks anything against it, a used camcorder to buy?
No.. Especially if you want to MiniDV, you will not much else left. Critical to the purchase of second hand but is the state of the drives, which are subject to considerable wear.

Quote:
ich hab angst panic but before any other storage media as a mini-dv!
Then go to the psychiatrist. :) Memory cards do not bite.

Quote:
which speaks for a different vault than the mini-dv?
For SD cards speak almost soundless recording and the fast transfer of data without capturing s.den computer in real time. For MiniDV speak very cheap storage and archive media, and the well cut-DV format.

Quote:
which speaks for or against this camcorder?
http://cgi.ebay.de/Sony-DCR-VX2000E-Mini- DV Camcorder_W0QQitemZ280301449018QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Elektronik_Computer_Foto_Camcorder_Camcorder_PM? Item280301449018 hash = & _trksid = p3286.c0.m14 & _trkparms = 72% 3A1229 | 66% 3A2 | 65% 3A12 | 39% 3A1 | 240% 3A1318
If you have a MiniDV unit for 4:3-looking format, it's a reflection. About the Sound-to-noise problem with manual audio control, you have informed you, hopefully!
Critically, the age and condition of the drive, but the seller is having talks of a new drum head in May 2008. A residual risk remains with the guarantee of free private purchase always.

Apart from that, I would s.Deiner body seriously consider whether you permanently in standard resolution and 4:3 film want. There are hardly any television in 4:3, so that you always left and right black bars get.
An interesting compromise could be for you the HDV format: Since you have 16:9 in either SD or HD quality and still have the best MiniDV tape.



Antwort von tommyb:

Caution, not that he just EQUIPMENT () but offers no Camera ... are not synonymous photos.

Otherwise:
Yes, that would be almost somehow in the right direction. You like but I would rather recommend a Sony PD170. This is a good workhorse, although somewhat older but very very good all-rounder with good image quality and especially prof. XLR connectors (so you should s.den Most lecterns can score points).

Expect, however, not a lot of depth. You can with this camera while in the background blur, but that is not so super duper extreme as it is of film is used.

If there is a lower class may be times you watch the Panasonic NV-GS500 (or NV-GS400) s.and synonymous times the Canon HV30. The SD may be synonymous and synonymous PAL HDV, but if times desirable.



Antwort von mov:

If you are planning your videos for the U.S. market, buy this camera, which is NTSC.

The VX2000 would be for my taste a bit too old (even the VX2200 successor is already old). Other good Kamcorder with SD MiniDV would be the XL series of Canon or the Panasonic DVX100 of. The prices are used but still well above 1000 ¬. These cameras have all the lens for manual focus rings.

Also good pictures, the Canon HV20/30/40, which is an HDV camera, but is synonymous 576i (PAL) dominates. Advantage is in the sub-1000 ¬ Class largest sensor with 1 / 2, 7 inches, is important for a small depth blur, but the dial is a bit Fummel, but it has a microphone input with level of manual ability by joystick. The semi (XL2, DVX100) usually have a 3 1 / 3 "CCDs.



Antwort von kili:

well, again due to miniDV ... it is the way:
I once filmed with a camcorder, which, as mpeg4 (?) on hard disk, there was extreme, irreparable rucklern in the video (I guess the problem - without any technical knowledge - in the calculation between the images is the ksvielleicht ... synonymous complete humbug).
as quite important recordings / were unique, it was extremely disturbing.

I would simply not much money to spend for a technology that might only be of short duration .. unr because it is modern and hip. someone understands what I mean?

but if it is really good reasons for non-MiniDV there: her with the voschlägen.

grüße:

kilian



Antwort von beiti:

"kili" wrote:
I once filmed with a camcorder, which, as mpeg4 (?) on hard disk, there was extreme, irreparable rucklern in video
It sounds like an inappropriate conversion of the video in your editing program. But without precise details of the device and the workflow is not clarified.
In any case, "extreme and irreparable Ruckler" synonymous for HDD is not normal.



Antwort von kili:

I had the problem in another thread mentioned times.
http://forum.slashcam.de/hdd-camcorder-and-ruckelnde-mpgs-vt65000.html?highlight=

the well-known, of which I have borrowed the device has the same problem with them.

This has me a bit traumatized.
naja. I would like to spend about 1000 euro. If there was really nice there, for the hand shots synonymous in shaky situations, less colorful environments, etc. is suitable - her with your tips! no preference which storage medium. I already have some of the tips previously viewed. very interesting stuff here.
But first, the coal must be synonymous ago.

grüße:

kilian



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"mov" wrote:
... buying this camera, which is NTSC ...

If the claims of the Seller agree ( "VX2000E"), then it is a Model PAL - NTSC is the added description of ebay which do not appear between the two models (this error has on several ebay auctions determined).

"mov" wrote:
... even the VX2200 successor is already old ...

The VX2100 is the successor, is still sold new and is much better than a large part of it came on the market.

"tommyb" wrote:
... but would you rather be a SONY PD170 guess ...

I would synonymous, because of their advantages compared to the VX2100, although at first glance little in practice but often decisive. Whether for your purpose is synonymous, of course, you have to decide for themselves.

Too much else is here right has been written, only the flat statement of "Marc ball home" I have the experience oppose cameras of this type have quite still be justified, because SD is at least 4:3 in the professional field is not as dead as some people are apparently believe. But here is synonymous: Your only requirements du kennst The trend is without doubt one of tapeless HD recording and thus 16:9.



Antwort von kili:

hmm. the latter are my camcorder but then bit too high: (
there is not something recommended to the 800-1000 euro?
mic connection should be no "claw", but simply a jack s.der a wireless mic? can.
my memory is no preference.



Antwort von dennzus:

Under 800 euros you get a loose HV30. Have this camera myself a few days ago and am thrilled purchased without end! It is really worth!



Antwort von strike300xxx:

The Canon HV30 is echt toller NEN!

Synonymous, I can only recommend it!



Antwort von kili:

So the hv30 seems to me to be quite nice.
someone has any other tips?




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