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MAC nase vorn?

MAC nase forward?



Frage von stephan_o:
November 2007

Hello,

I am a PC user and would like to know whether the rate of 90'ziger years:

"for video editing is a mac better than a PC"

actually still valid and if so why?

gruss
stephan



Antwort von Axel:

For old times already Warmwerden thread:
http://forum.slashcam.de/mac-vs-windows-vt29552.html
http://forum.slashcam.de/2-vt43914.html

The search gets even more from the Slashcam swamps.



Antwort von snowy:

in my answer: no, is no longer valid.

but view it in PowerMacs words to say: without mac pc because nothing goes doof








Antwort von DWUA:

We have been working for years with both systems successfully.
It depends on the sauce, which comes out;
unimportant, which spoon (Protestant or Catholic), the ingredients
it has rumgerührt.

;)



Antwort von Yasmin:

"Anonymous" wrote:
in my answer: no, is no longer valid.

but view it in PowerMacs words to say: without mac pc because nothing goes doof


and he's right;)



Antwort von PowerMac:

Scheisse Mac, PC toll.



Antwort von stephan_o:

thank you very much!



Antwort von Beethoven69:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Scheisse Mac, PC toll.


seem so

Toll Pc, Mac scheisse ;-)



Antwort von Beethoven69:

... but the mac is better but the pc ;-)



Antwort von Beethoven69:

It's like with the iPod and other MP3 players. Partly a question of quality, but mostly a question of philosophy. Music can be heard at all.



Antwort von Beethoven69:

But not all look like this!
http://www.apple.com/de/ipodtouch/



Antwort von Der Philosoph:

Regardless with whatever wrench you work, the only passen.Aber there are differences, Billich goods from China or what delicious treats from chrome vanadium, sits comfortably in the hand, reliable, lasts forever. "Better" is always a matter of opinion, quality and handling, but you can feel ... ;-)








Antwort von macuser77:

Quote:
We have been working for years with both systems successfully.


I think exactly what it takes: AVID leader and is running on both systems.

However, I would be my final cut studio never against avid swap - is just a matter of taste.



Antwort von Beethoven69:

The decision is especially s.der UI, such as the OS (Win, Mac) vfom GUI is set up, s.Windows usually bothers me that there are windows in the window (Photoshop), or Premiere everything is in the same window, in OS X on the other hand, FCS, APS no "top window", but in several divided. But this is purely a matter of taste. I prefer synonymous because of the good integration QT Mac, but can be synonymous to work well on Windows.



Antwort von C.I.W:

The only thing I ever throw out my window would be my Windows laptop. Not only because he is of Siemens, but because he is running with Windows. Total scheiß:
Viruses, crashes, error messages, problems, problems, only problems

Apple has just a cool design and is much more reliable.



Antwort von Beethoven69:

and so close and cheap as now - imac / macbook and final cut express (with 200 ¬ abloluter struggle price) never came amateure s.profis rannnnn



Antwort von Chezus:

"However, I would be my final cut studio never against avid swap"

Ditto!

Ich würd my MacPro not synonymous to a Dell (Windows) workstation one, for my Final Cut and Premiere not against my iPhone not against a Nokia N95

The only thing I would swap at the moment, my Windows laptop to a MacBook Pro. There have, however, I lay out what bissl.

I do not know if any of the Mac to Windows is changed. Only the other way. And they are viiiel happier.



Antwort von DWUA:

If there is only taste matters, the world would be still
in order.
The reality looks different.

If you look at the facilities of the relevant national training institutions has, knows that with this outdated (or newly acquired) PCs are required for something else because no money and no will exists.
Exceptions prove the rule.
Unfortunately, it is again and again that even the teaching staff
s.berufsbildenden Schools - (up to the chair holders of prestigious universities) - too easy, or is unfit s.dieser pathetic
Situation to change something and want to be.

A graduate of Avid through and through learned
and has previously been characterized, it is, if he is not stubborn or too comfortable, in FCS the water in the mouth together.
Conversely, rather less.
In order to cope, should it not be a problem.
Conversely, more likely.
Anyone who does not privately has the possibility of both systems to fully exploit
may be well advised not to enemy aufzusitzen.

To relax overheated minds:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_kGL3M5Cg
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1EbCyibkNB0
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkrn6ecxthM

But it is synonymous in the other direction.
Who are more precious his life working and sacrificing
want to see themselves on YouTube under the search term "PC vs. Mac.
Because seriously, you can on this issue is really
no longer remain without making a fool of himself ...

;---)



Antwort von DWUA:

@ Stephan_o

If a synthesis of thesis and antithesis in the sense of a
"Happy End" is needed look here:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=_mJ5kwVqkqg

It appears as a "deus ex machina" an old Commodore 64 to geiler.
Only for people who do not to smile in the basement to go.

;)



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"CIW" wrote:
(...) Problems, problems, only problems (...)

Well ... my notebook is of'98, there was until 2002 and Win 98 on it s.dann XP. Since it had not re-installed and ran more stable if lack of power is not synonymous particularly fast.
Applies synonymous for the other three in my budget calculator ;-)
BG
Andreas



Antwort von derpianoman:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Scheisse Mac, PC toll.


In this forum, I feel better!








Antwort von Chezus:

"Since it had not re-installed and ran more stable, if not synonymous lack power very quickly."

Na dann hau mal Vista on it and we look what happens ;-)



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Chezus" wrote:
Na dann hau mal Vista on it and we look what happens

... but not before the first service pack ;-)



Antwort von daniil:

tja - I've already 3 OS updates behind me panther, tiger, leopard - that is, the MAC has been running for 3 years without NEW INSTALLATION and he is as fast as new - I have in my 12 year win-PC experience never seen.
To view the administrative burden is very low and will allow his daily 'bread deserve to know this very well appreciate it if after work to go home and loved ones is no need to worry whether the machine the next day is over; )



Antwort von Meggs:

"Anonymous" wrote:
The decision is especially s.der UI, such as the OS (Win, Mac) vfom GUI is set up, s.Windows usually bothers me that there are windows in the window (Photoshop), or Premiere everything is in the same window, in OS X on the other hand, FCS, APS no "top window", but in several divided. But this is purely a matter of taste. I prefer synonymous because of the good integration QT Mac, but can be synonymous to work well on Windows.


That is a matter of programming the application software, not the operating system.
Windows supports the MDI interface (window in a window or everything in 1 box) but it sets no mandatory advance. One can very well write an application, the windows with several independent works.



Antwort von Andrew:

So now I still synonymous times short, we have both systems in the start. Do AVID and Final Cut have even cut PRO 2 seats. Nasty surprises may be synonymous with the MAC type. System does not start or does not voluntarily down. MAC Pro Our systems are configured of a system.

Frankly, I find the work with the MAC rather than undurchdacht (please dear Mac users now before the table in anger bite), the simple things on a PC quick overview of the hand, drag the Mac is happy with "on-" many moving window.

Nevertheless, I think just for Beginners Mac is the better choice, AVID is running (if not with Final Cut cope) as written on both platforms and bottom line trouble-free - Not Free! In professional use, I think you eh Calculator ONLY as the average space uses and not even send emails and office work on the machine makes.

Big disadvantage when MAC broke, then partially laaange waiting until he runs again or spare parts are on site. This is clearly the PC faster. Even in parts of Hamburg are often not on the shelf, that means waiting.



Antwort von highnoon:

I love my mac!

;)



Antwort von PowerMac:

Apart of your "opinion".

"(...) In professional use, I think you eh Calculator ONLY the cut square and not even use email and office work on the machine (...)"

And why? Rubbish from the 20th Century is this



Antwort von highnoon:

mal im ernst. I come from the pc and have primarily worked with premiere pro. Now, I made a mac and Final Cut Express HD gegönnt. For me, this feels like a quantum jump s.and I wonder why I did not already changed me. avid I know not so good. but the difference between premiere @ @ finalcutexpress pc and mac for me is huge. I look forward every day on this cool pair and not wanting to back ...

;)



Antwort von Andrew:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Apart of your "opinion".

"(...) In professional use, I think you eh Calculator ONLY the cut square and not even use email and office work on the machine (...)"

And why? Rubbish from the 20th Century is this


Because you will often stress with his hosts will have - is always clear which people have everything in control, but the majority do not. See the PC as well as more vulnerable than the MAC, apart of the fact that a car email virus protection program for the PC requires that the system is heavily ausbremst. The cut places to which I now know that those with money earned will all run as Cut REINER place. Bin for 15 years in the industry, aware of the developments since the beginning.

For us, it is generally prohibited, uncoordinated other software to cut seats to install.

And his office organization to do so anyway in his office and not s.einem cut square.








Antwort von PowerMac:

I consider them nothing at all. You argumentierst here with an established practice that has become a historical, a blindness and priorities from the Windows perspective. The past is totally uninteresting. Hast thou synonymous rational reasons why people on a Final Cut Pro editing room, for example, should not surf? I play, cutting, organizing, surf and look at porn. And all s.meinem cut square. And here is money earned. But for the average EB-DAU-cutter s.einem Windows-cut square like your system might make sense. For me as a director is not free.



Antwort von Andrew:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Windows-based perspective. The past is totally uninteresting. Hast thou synonymous rational reasons why people on a Final Cut Pro editing room, for example, should not surf? I play, cutting, organizing, surf and look at porn. .


Windows-based perspective is correct, have now seen three times, an AVID editing space on the PC based service has made on the basis of fours. The problem is the MAC clearly smaller. But not impossible. Also, a MAC has already once refused to work.

Is every ja themselves whether he is prepared to the risk or not!

In U.S., there are economic reasons to do so. A Final Cut Pro editing space costs money, room rent, peripherals, maintenance, etc. If I was annoyed when somebody systems abused his office that he can then yes with a "cheap" PC or make MiniMAC.

Maybe the clocks are ticking yes, to the directors a little different - work with us we will be happy times synonymous Old School. Each as he likes ...



Antwort von r.p.television:

A tiresome discussion.
I use both systems under one roof. On my Mac and Final Cut Pro editing on my private Box (PC) Premiere Pro 2.0 (or soon CS3).
Had until a few months even a MacBook Pro that I've now sold exasperated because I within one year, 3 times the DVD drive had to be repaired. Who mills in the long-service Apple knows, you can guess how long I have my MacBook this year is really in the hands could hold. True Qualtitätsvorsprung I could not "feel".
And finally BlueRays because I wanted to burn, I have now the new SonyVaio FZ11 bought. With HDMI Out and BlueRay burner for 1500 Euros. Not that Apple simply times for the same performance Tausi one more thing should be put - no, there is currently the best of my knowledge no chance of any HD discs Colouer to burn at all or authors.
Since I am missing from Apple at the moment a little bit of progress and innovation. Make Final Cut Pro is a very good editing program. Private, however, I prefer working with APP 2.0, because I do the filter together with AEF library can use. This is more intuitive to me of the hand and the workflow is much more pleasant playful projects. Is now synonymous but of course a very subjective perception on my part. But I know other synonymous Adobe-children ", though (like me) regularly on the bugs in the programs scold, but because of the cross-workflows simply not want to waive.
Now ran in the recent premiere on MAC computers pretty shitty. The beanwortet the question why I have a PC. But apparently it runs on MAC Calculator yes but not everything is so great.
This demonstrates the enormous synonymous keyboard wear a friendly sound engineer, whose audio application to wild hammering him on the input motivert.

Personally, I can hype this MAC is not as 100% follow. Maybe I have a not so subjective good impression, because I am perhaps not in the representative frame parts have gone kaput.
I have rather the impression that it is in the MAC-owners a kind of elitist group thinking that any "shortcomings" s.eigenen Calculator wegfiltert and benefits multiplied.
Some drivers like a sports car, which of a BMW M3 on a Porsche Carrera is changed. He would never admit that some things he liked better s.BMW. Finally, he has for his Porsche almost doubled and paid for each customer service devours an average monthly salary.
I want anybody here brand fetishism or similar subject matter, but I handle myself now always be a little exasperated, if at level regulars on PC versus MAC discussion.
On one page of PC users, the iron of his choice, perhaps, but inwardly jealous - knowing that the others could afford, on the other a new Mac user, the self-love raves from the product - but how much better everything is. But he forgets that his PC it already 4 years old. A new PC would probably trigger similar enthusiasms. But why admit? It now has a MAC and is now subjective to a circle.

I would not flat-rate systems and give a preference depending on application decided. For me at the moment for some reasons even return to the stale PC ahead. If, however, in a few months look better.
Generally, however annoying me about MAC computers somewhat ignorant attitude in certain format compatibility. My PC eats all formats (synonymous of the MACs) while Macs are always happy to fax or completely refuse to play.



Antwort von PowerMac:

I know of no format that my Mac does not "eat" would be. In the counter-example can I give you x examples of where you are not with Windows weitkommst. Or willste times DVCProHD, Red IMX material or of me?



Antwort von r.p.television:

I speak not of such specific video formats such as containers or of you mentioned. They are on a MAC without installed Final Cut Pro does not run so synonymous. On my PC the size of you mentioned synonymous, not because the premiere gewährleiset support (of course not), but because I appropriate plug-ins have retrofitted. And I'm with RED-material has not yet been thoroughly busy and have not be synonymous.

I am very mundane things in everyday life. About a Windows Media file from the Internet, which is encoded in 16:9. A checks the MAC and often do not show it as 4:3 video. There are minor, but annoying. If Quicktime videos on your PC error free, it reversed at a flawless MAC WMV support expected. Especially if the MAC everything simpler and easier to run ....
The Internet is full of WMV or Flash videos. Why Apple closes before your eyes?
Surely this is an average farm rather insignificant. But when a customer on a MacBook quick something for the Internet show will appear and then egg heads, this is not grade relief.

For quick, easy work, I think Final Cut Pro on MAC better. It runs really stable and renders (if needed) faster. My private videos cut from these reasons, I prefer PC and APP. But perhaps only in my specific case so because I s.AE connection and all my (expensive purchased) Filter packets will use. Also, you can even create BlueRays. Creativity is only by (unfortunately everywhere) existing bugs curbed.
They have Final Cut Pro, Premiere and AVID synonymous all applications.



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"rptelevision" wrote:
Personally, I can hype this MAC is not as 100% follow.

Welcome to the club.
"rptelevision" wrote:
I have rather the impression that it is in the MAC-owners a kind of elitist group thinking that any "shortcomings" s.eigenen Calculator wegfiltert and benefits multiplied.

Oh, yes ...
"rptelevision" wrote:
I want anybody here brand fetishism or similar subject matter,

But, but - that's quite true.
"rptelevision" wrote:
Generally, however annoying me about MAC computers somewhat ignorant attitude in certain format compatibility. My PC eats all formats (synonymous of the MACs) while Macs are always happy to fax or completely refuse to play.

I would not be a flat rate for apples or for Windos sign. Freshly installed should neither apple nor Winbugs Würgsda Bedside landing-rugs (äh: tiger, or like the pussy cat is just) a popel DivX video playback. In some respects, Kubuntu or any other current Linux Distrubitionen to better grades. Quicktime, Winbugs Media - when it's not some DRM vergurkter is dirty, run's.

Long story short, for DV editing, I would synonymous after concrete purpose to decide - but only as long as it is still Windows XP. With Würgsda M $ has the Ekelschwelle significantly reduced ...
And, yes: Allerwelts a novice user, with the box to the Internet will, I would synonymous' nen give Mac.



Antwort von Meggs:

The habits play a major role in the application software synonymous. If a MacUser says that Windows is stupid, because Photoshop for Windows in the usual Mac Tastaturküzel does not work, then he should first complain to Adobe. I'm no Gates fan, but for everything he is not responsible synonymous.



Antwort von Axel:

"Quadruplex" wrote:
And, yes: Allerwelts a novice user, with the box to the Internet will, I would synonymous' nen give Mac.

A good point. Standard Who Apples Safari browser knows that it is very easy to surf, but some compatibility problems, the program for some purpose completely useless (A travel book, the layout of a control site). That is why one finds sooner or later, Firefox and Explorer in addition to Macs, - where they do not work much differently than on Windows machines.

The thing with the not always 100% compatible video - and audio codecs is a bit annoying, but here you can, as synonymous already been said above, no "team" of a point.

"rptelevision" wrote:
I have rather the impression that it is in the MAC-owners a kind of elitist group thinking that any "shortcomings" s.eigenen Calculator wegfiltert and benefits multiplied.

The Emperor's New Clothes?
How should this thought (which it undoubtedly is) to promote or even be induced, if not by a "perceived" satisfaction * and one from one's own opinion or defect reports (like this forum) made Comparison with other Windows ? If there were no real advantage system, Apple would be bankrupt today, instead of on the road to success.
* (Lens is any subjective scoring. The aura of an even higher quality car than a BMW would be in the event of a Porsche at the third workshop visit exhausted. Objectively have seen some Japanese and French, the best price - performance ratio, it has seen a car of A to B a calculator and calculate how it can be a Commodore.)

My thesis is that OSX, in fact, is the better system:
" Because it is easier to operate (or can no one will oppose).
" Because all the applications with the simplest and clearest, and, importantly, the same logic supplies. To only Windows experts to make an assessment: The logic of iTunes, it might be possible to simplify - Limitations in functionality provided - or synonymous complicated. Windows jukeboxes have hundreds of different surfaces. In OSX native programs all work reliably on the same principle. Even third party, such as Adobe adapt their shortcuts aligned.
" Because it is a system the user actually, er, suggests, the philosophy of simple and intuitive to the Un-philosophy of open, extensible as "galaxy, based on an office cupboard based" will be given preference.

In short, elitist claim without basis would have long survived.



Antwort von 2LTime:

I think mac has always covered the front nose ...
synonymous in the price ...
yet still I am working on a pc ...
although I with his Power Mac 6100 and started
g4 still have around here ...
and even a mac mini here in the house is ...
gruß cj

ps. the mac is missing me and something like ACDSee winamp ...








Antwort von Gustl:

.. or XnView



Antwort von besucher2007:

... and I got my mac is still loved! ;)



Antwort von Chezus:

The MacUser in my area are now of more week to week, because everyone has noticed how easy it is to the calculator to its needs, with the Mac to work with the programs, or its fun.

I regret it no piece on the Mac to be changed. Both daheim (MacPro) as synonymous underway or on the couch (Macbook or iPhone).

There is no program for me which is not on the Mac into a better version. Windows is not a piece of me is starting. You just have to know where to find all the apps.

And certainly times to Vista, I am glad to have a Mac.

Each Mosern a Windows user so I reply with a smile, as if synonymous disadvantages still exist .... the advantage over Windows outweigh (in my opinion at least) clearly and significantly




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