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Frage von o.hansen:


Hello dear community

I would now like to but a slightly more professional HD-Cam to purchase (budget - about 3500 ¬). In this category there is currently only the XH A1 and the FX 1 and FX 7th These are all "tape devices" and are characterized with HDV at 1440 x 1080.
Has anyone an explanation as to why it is in this price class do not Full HD recording devices with H.264 (the thing with the "harsh" treatment, I would like to place s.dieser times before deliberately leave out).

Now I have times a question s.diejenigen of you who have a crystal ball and with this regularly in the future can see ...
Is it conceivable that in the near future (1-2 years) something in the nature of the FX 7 or XH A1 (ie 3 large chips, decent high-Optics, good manual functions, etc.) in the field of semi-Cams s.Start will be? Or is this more of a market segment from which "waste products" - that is disarmed Proficams or Consumercams-up - will be served and thus offers no real innovations? Cams may be a la HVR Z7E enforce - that is, card and tape?
For a PMW X1, the carbon does not - it would be conceivable that something in the way (a bit slimmed down naturally and may not XDCAM but maybe AVCHD) in the range between 3 and 4 thousand ¬ is being offered?
Or is there in this price class no market for flash systems?

Thanks Oliver

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Antwort von Bernd E.:

"o.hansen" wrote: ... Is it conceivable that in the near future (1-2 years) something in the nature of the FX 7 or XH A1 (ie 3 large chips, decent high-Optics, good manual functions, etc.) in the field of semi-Cams s.Start will be?
Nix accurate, we know not, but in summer / autumn this year, the Panasonic DVX100 get a high-successor, then the AVCHD on SD card will record.

Gruß Bernd E.

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Antwort von nomulus:

@ Bernd E. Thanks!
If the price is not too much and moved up to full HD Cam dan goes, it would be my thing ...

... there's someone else with a functioning crystal ball?

Oliver

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Antwort von nomulus:

synonymous are you sure that you have the difference between 1440 and 1920 recognize?

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Antwort von WoWu:

Oliver,
in the period 1-2 years I would not even see ...
wait times the NAB (April 11-17) ab. Then you do not need more glass.
Whether your desires card + tape now come true, which I dare not say ... which will probably continue to remain rather exotic.
But otherwise, I think that there would be quite ordinary cameras in the semi-field will be.
The bottleneck will be synonymous in the near future, the sensor still remain, because if the company's next on the microscopic customers set at full (real) 1920 resolution, it should rather press on the picture.
It is still a while a balance in mind.

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"o.hansen" wrote: I would now like to but a slightly more professional HD-Cam to purchase (budget - about 3500 ¬). In this category there is currently only the XH A1 and the FX 1 and FX 7th
... You get the FX1E incredible ¬ 2379.20

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Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote: ¬ 2379.20 unbelievable ... ... This is the lowest price so far that I have seen ....
Art piece, at a net price ;-) Excluding the 19% tax on land again for the same 2800 Euro, which synonymous other vendors sell the FX1.

Gruß Bernd E.

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Antwort von o.hansen:

"Anonymous" wrote: synonymous are you sure that you have the difference between 1440 and 1920 recognize?

I'm not sure ... - But that is a "head thing" - if I then flash recording change synonymous then I would like the maximum resolution (Full HD TV I already have).
If I understand correctly, you believe that there is no real visible difference between 1920 and 1440 there?

Oliver

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

The reference is actually pretty hidden - Individuals will also need to pick up.
Once ALSO buy retail but may also have to be gross prices!
That's why I never came up with the idea that to question ...
BG, Andreas

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Antwort von WoWu:

@ Oliver

Quote: If I understand correctly, you believe that there is no real visible difference between 1920 and 1440 there?

I think that there is currently no camcorder in the price segment, the really smart of her 1920 dissolve .... synonymous so you can see no difference!

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Antwort von o.hansen:

This is the time not there so I know - I had gathered so much expertise here in the forum synonymous only hoped that somebody knows (or can guess) when there are any and then whether the imagery to create higher value than the currently available HDV cams.
The full HD camcorder class of 1000 ¬ (for example, the Panasonic or the Canon's announcement) does not meet the technical requirements for "better" pictures was one XH A1 or FX 7, I have vorausgestzt.

Oliver

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Antwort von WoWu:

@ Oliver
It may sound funny now but at present you still produce the best quality images from a combination of 1440 - the chip + resolutory to Lens, but in the 720p mode.
The first approach might be incomprehensible, but if you just consider the links, you come to the conclusion and that could, if the pixel pitch in 1920 will not be greater, even then, so if there are genuine 1920s Resolutions.
But in the semi-field, there will be new models in April and then could give such a good device to be included.

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Antwort von o.hansen:

Thank you - this is hot, you can still safely a XH A1 or FX 7 and growth must be in half a year does not get angry? Or are appearing vorraussichtlich devices (which is probably s.meiner ceiling price will be) equal to so much better?
And I then but now the topic of "cut" would like to address - is scheduled then synonymous of "switching" of APP at 2.0 or Edius Neo Vegas Pro 8 - it is with these programs sensibly cut AVCHD (Dual Core, 2 GB RAM) or is a Switching to a Quad 4 GB RAM synonymous still necessary? Then I would at the above-proposed quality attributes rather than HDV AVCHD take.

Thanks Oliver
(I hope I do not pester - but 3500 ¬ are just a bunch of coal)

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Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"o.hansen" wrote: Thank you - this is hot, you can still safely a XH A1 or FX 7 and growth must be in half a year does not get angry?
This is the crystal-ball problem. Sometime you want a particular technology. Then you nothing remains but to the state to buy. If there are half a year what is better, why annoyed? And then whether the synonymous really visible is better ...
The FX1, I'm going to (given the budget!) Rather than the FX7 recommend would need to present models do not hide. And the already released "then", 2005!
(gauges fanatics and 8-fold-in-the-Still image zoomer may perhaps other views on the FX1 have)
BG
Andreas

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Antwort von Markus:

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote: The reference [prices are net] is actually pretty hidden - Individuals will also need to pick up.
A clear case in retail: No right of return because there is no shipping business. And traders have that right do not.

So do I normally always on my name, never to the company (which in my case, yes the same). And I return from the right only to exercise, if an item is inferior.

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