Frage von videotom:
Hello s.Alle,
I am looking for a cheap yet good but synonymous Micro for voice s.einer Tonangel. Well I came to here:
http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_em9900.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/audio_technica_atr55.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/superlux_pra_116b.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/rode_ntg_1.htm
More money, I really do not want to spend.
Phantom power I have.
Anyone who has experience with these mics?
Thanks and greetings
Tom
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Rode Microphones slings have a reputation. It is synonymous more than twice as expensive than the alternatives.
I have a t-bone EM9900 and I am quite satisfied. price-performance are OK.
Since I need XLR, did not come for me the Audio Technica in question (unbalanced connection via 2-pin plug).
Antwort von beiti:
You should think in advance what polar pattern you need. The EM9900 and the Superlux t.bone 116b things are already pretty long and thus more suitable for special applications, where one not well designed, you have a few quick tonal variations in it. For normal, trouble-free fishing, I would prefer one of the shorter pieces with not quite as strong directivity.
The Rode NTG1 should be mentioned here of the first choice. It has the additional advantage of being constructed a little shorter, because it consists entirely on phantom power and therefore needs no battery compartment. If the Rode is too expensive, would be the T-Bone EM9600, the obvious alternative.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The t-bone EM9600 can be both with Battery as synonymous with phantom power to operate. The EM9900 only with phantom power.
Antwort von rush:
Moin!
I myself know of none of the devices.
When Tbone but if I would rather synonymous to tend 9600er since 9900 with the 40cm really extremely unwieldy appear ...
superlux .. I had only a pair of headphones times of .. I was not cut from the stool:)
Personally I would probably give my voice to the rode - but wait a little longer synonymous kost
Antwort von beiti:
Here is a test recording with the T. BONE EM9600:
KLICKWarning: The recording was created in a normal living under typical fishing conditions, namely Microphone angle of the top (angle 45 °) with 1 meter distance. Of sound and low noise here so they can not compare with studio voice recording.
There came a mixer with low noise mic preamp for use, what is even hear s.Noise, so is almost 100% of the Microphone.
The recording has been normalized and is otherwise untouched.
Between Battery and Phantom Power, I could hear no difference. (It is supposed to give microphones, noise in the battery more.)
I think the outcome of the EM9600 actually quite useful. A six times more expensive Beyerdynamic MCE 86, I had a short time available, rushed in my opinion, under comparable conditions no less than the t.bone. Even the sound of her I could see no advantage, but maybe I was lacking s.nötigen his ear. :)
Perhaps there are others in the forum owner to contribute directional microphones, the test shots under similar conditions (angle of might above) 1 meter distance. Then we had a few opportunities for comparison.
Antwort von domain:
Well, it roars, but clearly too much. The cause is not the Micro itself, but of too great a distance from the microphone to the speaker. Directional microphones do not step up the sound from the selected direction but only weaken the incoming side.
Antwort von Maze:
It is that simple simply t.bone worst Micro what we can get for money. We have always taken such a distance of cheap mics. Only once we needed a quick replacement micro and have ordered from one to another on day one of the T. Bones. We have s.end bitterly regretted it. The sound was dissolved s.sich not only thin and bad, it was still synonymous with a hum on it which has taken over the entire frequency spectrum. The recording could then throw away.
Antwort von videotom:
Thanks for the tips first time.
A distance of 1m, I would have in any case. But that should not be a problem for the directional microphone.
Is closer but if not at the Micro is s.der Angel and should not be seen. As an alternative, I could still get a Sennheiser MKE 300, but I'm not here synonymous Comparison with the others.
Regards
Tom
Antwort von deti:
I can not confirm. Decoupling is only slightly worse than in more expensive models. In practice, it hardly matters, unless one knocks against the Tonangel.
Deti
Antwort von domain:
A distance of 1m, I would have in any case. But that should not be a problem for the directional microphone.
This has nothing to do with an indicative micro too. The sound is, as I said, separated by a directional micro-synonymous not "loud" but only clean of noise. One meter is for pure speech in any case too much. Guess it max. May 40 cm.
In the typical Tonangeln there is usually so much noise that the noise did not even notice. But in your example it's quite quiet in the room.
Antwort von beiti:
One meter is for pure speech in any case too much. Guess it max. May 40 cm. Comes in this thread does not. As a test for a microphone, with which one wants to go fishing from kamerabedingter distance, one must choose a practical distance - and there is more that 1 meter minimum (unless, turning only close-ups).
In the typical Tonangeln there is usually so much noise that the noise did not even notice. But in your example is quite quiet in the room. It is synonymous quiet scenes that play in some lonely rooms.
Antwort von beiti:
Only once we needed a quick replacement micro and have ordered from one to another on day one of the T. Bones. We have s.end bitterly regretted it. You can not lump together all t.bone, just because you once had bad experiences. There, under the Thomann-house brand so determined several dozen microphone models at very different prices. I have, for example, of which a large diaphragm SC-450, this is quite excellent. The cheap EM9600 certainly not playing at a similar level, despite, or precisely because of the direct comparison would be with a Sennheiser Rode or interesting, and taking film practice conditions.
Antwort von beiti:
As an alternative, I could still get a Sennheiser MKE 300, but I'm not here synonymous Comparison with the others. As a camera microphone, the MKE 300 would have its qualities, but for the use s.der Angel (via extension) is not a symmetrical output. Since you have a totally unpredictable disturbance risk.
I appreciate that you sure do not pay much less than for a Rode NTG1 meet - that all your requirements would be perfect.
Antwort von videotom:
This is about a normal office, where the phone rings, the lady takes s.and leads a conversation with customers. Then 2 customers are advised about a product by an employee. I guess that this is in any case, the Micro 1m away, because there are not only Cose-ups.
Perhaps I should really pick up the NTG 1st
Edit: NTG1 or NTG2? The difference is only in the battery? 're Both priced the same.
Regards
Tom
Antwort von beiti:
NTG1 or NTG2? The difference is only in the battery? 're Both priced the same. As far as I can see, has the NTG2 only the additional battery option (but making it slightly heavier and slightly longer). If you have a camcorder with phantom power, that should NTG1 be the better choice.
Antwort von Maze:
I have, for example, of which a large diaphragm SC-450, this is quite excellent.
Coincidentally I have the same microphone, and synonymous back then I thought, "That sounds not so bad", but only because I knew nothing better. On top is still synonymous canceled at some point the membrane. I had quite forgotten.
In addition, I have the Rode NTG1 and NTG2, both excellent mics not to be compared with the T. Bone garbage. Have experience with 2 T. Bone share, both sounded bad and are broke. In addition, synonymous nor a colleague recently failed one of those things. The stuff just not reliable.
Antwort von domain:
Basically synonymous best mics not much help when the signal / noise distance is no longer true. Why is it that we see in all talk shows recently, pink microphones so directly from the "spectacle frames" down to the mouth with max 7 cm distance? Not even the Ansteckmikros with something greater distance seem to meet the requirements. Perhaps, however, synonymous only because the beat spirited speakers like on your chest to act truthfully.
One thing is certainly for sure: the high frequencies with very low energy are speaking of physical reasons, from 1 m distance is no longer true, but they are very important and should rise above the noise floor has views very clear.
It has been a reason why talking elephants and lions over a hundred times superior energy and infra-sound frequencies are not dependent on high, the total level off after a few decimeters.
Antwort von beiti:
Nevertheless, it create a professional sound crew in the theatrical film, capturing synonymous distance of 1 meter still a very good sound. Well, at least with good microphones will be somehow hinzukriegen, if the room is not too strong or loud noise reverberates must be hidden. On the Noise of microphones, it certainly does not fail.
In the talk shows, I would suspect that there will be played because of the live audience sound synonymous in the hall and is therefore a maximum feedback security demand.
Antwort von Wechiii:
I have a problem with the EM9600: I have very deep in one area often rumble in there. But that is permanent. Sometimes it is not, partly already .. Is partially inaudible, and then you can chip away the material because of it. Does anyone know why?
Was s.einer HF 20 with a mini jack to XLR adapter and attach two cable verschiedenne .. LG
Antwort von beiti:
Coincidentally I have the same microphone, and synonymous back then I thought, "That sounds not so bad", but only because I knew nothing better. I have likened to the purchase of many microphones and sound samples could easily raushören nothing s.den bessres would have been more expensive than s.SC-450. But, as I said, wanting me to probably the most delicate ear. :)
In addition, I have the Rode NTG1 and NTG2 Could you take time with one of them one sound sample, which is of the outer room conditions compared with my earlier test shot?
Antwort von Maze:
I once made a direct comparison Microphone, with all the microphones we had in the studio. There thou mayest convince himself. And the "test samples" of their own house brand, you should not take very Thomann.
Tell me an email address and I'll send you the file.
Antwort von videotom:
Hello Maze,
thomas1235 (at) gmx (dot) de
THANK YOU for the many tips.
