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Frage von 02VideoFaBI:
April 2009

Hello!

I have a Canon HV30 (TRS connector) with Tonquali pretty bad, but I knew already at Purchase, so I with a t.bone em9600 purchased.
Unfortunately a flop, very noisy and it is relatively quiet.
Here's the test video:

Micro bad or wrong?
I will eventually return it (still have about 15 days right of return)

Now I am here in the forum asked after microphones: The choice would be either a guide or a standard micro stereo Mic. What is your opinion, tend to be recommended for short films, mostly pictures and talk Atmo.

Important for me: rausch free (at least almost ecstatic free) sound.
price: really not much more than 150!

What I've found here:
Rode Video Mic
Rode Stereo VideoMic

Is there in this price class, nor the others?

Thanks in advance!



Antwort von B.DeKid:

NO STEREO - there is not anyway in the film



Antwort von kalle70:

The 9600 is actually a "secret tip" under the guidance Mikros.

Perhaps it is synonymous s.der Camera Mic itself that roars.

Can the HV30 manual disqualify?





Antwort von guillotine:

That it is noisy due to the fact that you half the voltage of symmetrical s.Weg to lose unbalanced XLR to mini-jack

You either need a DI box, actually preferable, but difficult (transformer) ... or something like:

http://www.thomann.de/de/neutrik_na2f_j_tx.htm



Antwort von Johannes:

So s.besten you buy until you have a Beachteak XLR, because the noise and other Tonfehler are partly synonymous connecting the jack was here. Furthermore sells a known Beyerdynamic MCE86 for 150 euros. So if you look at me via e-mail flagging interest and then I could have time to ask him and you his e-mail address given.



Antwort von shipoffools:

"02VideoFaBI" wrote:
... so I with a t.bone em9600 purchased.
Unfortunately a flop, very noisy and it is relatively quiet. I will give it back.
...
Important for me: rausch free (at least almost ecstatic free) sound.
price: really not much more than 150!

What I've found here:
Rode Video Mic
Rode Stereo VideoMic
...


I fear you will be synonymous of the other mics are not thrilled.
First of all: absolutely noise-free Microphone does not exist, and certainly not in the price range.
Even a micro like the Sennheiser ME66 has noise. It depends but ultimately not only on the Microphone itself, but of several factors, eg
- Auspegeln properly (not too high ... and manual)
- Preamplifier (and there is the preamp of the HV30 is not just a Brüller ...)
- Cable (science for themselves - long, balanced, unbalanced ...)
- Connectors and Male (mini-jack, XLR)
- Speakers (Headphones-/Lineausgang and Headphones / Monitor)

To summarize, the Tonsektion the HV30 their greatest weakness.
Internal Micro can indeed outset of forgotten.
With a connected external micro should note the following points:
- Manual and not too high auspegeln
- If possible, the Micro from the "away", because otherwise the drive will be recorded with sound or the internal mic attenuation switch, as this of frequencies above 15 kHz and cut off certain frequencies (drive noise) abgedämpft be. When the damping should be but then again a little louder auspegeln, as otherwise the recorded sound is too quiet.
- And most important point for all microphones of all:
As close as possible ran s.die sound source, because even the best micro taugt nix several meters away! (Since the HV30 but then again synonymous the disadvantage that it only has unbalanced input jack and the cable is not longer than about 2 m should be.)

I would again point s.deiner the T-bone under various conditions to try, because in the home room in absolutely quiet surroundings and with Headphones is bugged you every Microphone seem as if it roars.
Just out on the street or in a "lively" room and record the whole thing then listen to monitors.
If you then with the Micro still dissatisfied, you can still have a new thought.
The usual candidates to about 200 euros, depending on the area (or Atmo Dialogue / Interview)
- Rode NTG2
- Sennheiser MKE400
- Beyerdynamic MCE 72 CAM
... or of you mentioned.

Greeting
shipoffools



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Thanks for the quick answers!

Quote:
That it is noisy due to the fact that you half the voltage of symmetrical s.Weg to lose unbalanced XLR to mini-jack

You either need a DI box, actually preferable, but difficult (transformer) ... or something like:

http://www.thomann.de/de/neutrik_na2f_j_tx.htm

Is that sure? I have a little time in which the mic, I can return (to 15 days). When the help, I would still order it and if necessary, both to give back again.

Quote:
I would again point s.deiner the T-bone under different test conditions

I, however, room for music on the noise level is still much to hear ... If I'm a test video upload, that you make a picture like this can?
Quote:

- Rode NTG2
- Sennheiser MKE400
- Beyerdynamic MCE 72 CAM
... or of you mentioned.

I'm going to get the whole view again, thank you!



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Here's the test video:


The sound can not really "normal", right?
So a faulty? Or just a bad mic? I do not think so ....

Request for answer, thank you!



Antwort von Jitter:

Here, and much speculation and theory.
A simple experience that I myself with the HV 30 made: With the two Rode microphones (Videmic and Videomic stereo) the sound will improve dramatically. Less noise, higher sensitivity! This synonymous for the Rode M3 (under 100 ¬, but less for attaching geegnet), the man with an XLR adapter cable s.die brings HV 30. The adapter cable that I use for a few euros at Kab24 bought, will have no audible deterioration with itself.
By Videomic do you do when HV 30 nothing wrong. The difference on Integrated Microphone hear you now.



Antwort von c.herf:

And I had such a RODE Videomic unused (well briefly tested) for sale.

c.herf @ web.de



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

The only thing is:

I want the mic s.einer Tonangel use a cable length of about 3m but is TRS cables are not recommended, I heard ...
Experience? Tips?

I tend to just synonymous Rode Video Mic!



Antwort von Videofactory:

I had in January so synonymous T. Bone purchased.

I think the telephoto setting can be completely forgotten times.
With the setting was somewhat normal.

I then consider whether I will zufriedengebe, or it wants anymore.

I still have the concern NTG 2 and compared the two.

The background noise was relatively similar, however, was the level of the Rode about three times as loud (not a precise test, but if I Rode to 30% Pegelte, it was so loud, like the T. Bone at 100%). The noise can thus minimize because the Rode mic, not so loud auspegeln needs.

Have you considered long, as the Rode ja ne whole bar will cost more (now 140 euros more, then it was only 130).

Ultimately, I decided for Rode, because I guarantee in 10 years, probably quite long so could be happy. Sooner or later I would be the sound of the T. Bones are likely to become ill and then I had a better buy.


Yet what Videomic:
Habe mich fürs NTG-2 decision, because of the XLR connector and, because it is synonymous as well as micro-hand can use. That with just 2m cable, I can not confirm, had for a short film, both the T. Bone, as the synonymous NTG 2 s.einer 40m XLR cable reel off without a difference to a 5m cable noted.

Gruß, Alex.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Video Factory "wrote:
That with just 2m cable, I can not confirm, had for a short film, both the T. Bone, as the synonymous NTG 2 s.einer 40m XLR cable reel off without a difference to a 5m cable noted.

Yes, no problem with XLR, but I speak of



Antwort von Jitter:

3 meters, or even 5 or 10 meters are at a higher jack cable no problems as long as it is not too strong radiations, such as stage technology devices, comes. So I could once the Rode Stereo Videomic near a mixing console and other stage equipment aufgesteckt use only because it is by extending Noise (interference) came from. Under other conditions I had recording with 3 meters Klinkenverlägerungen still no problems. If you primarily want to fish and the micro does not want to put, and are NTG2 Rode M3 of good recommendations. Then you have a use XLR cables and a very s.Ende is the adapter plugged into the unit. A short, well-shielded cable adapter makes no problems.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

That I thought, but enough for a simple Hama XLR -> TRS? When I came t.bone is exactly the above-described noise disturbances on. Or do I need a DI box? If so could I get my t.bone may still order and keep only a box with ...
ps.: the ntg2 would be great, but I can not afford ....
Alternatives?
Thanks for the info!



Antwort von Johannes:

Purchase yourself a Beachteak you get here:
http://www.schnittzwerk.de/site/content/uverkauf/uverkauf_detail.php?UKATEGORIE=7&UPRODUKT=471

in addition a 6m XLR Cable of Thomann and already you need not worry about sound problems with the cables and adapters make.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

"John" wrote:
Purchase yourself a Beachteak you get here:
http://www.schnittzwerk.de/site/content/uverkauf/uverkauf_detail.php?UKATEGORIE=7&UPRODUKT=471

in addition a 6m XLR Cable of Thomann and already you need not worry about sound problems with the cables and adapters make.

The thing costs 140 ¬ and is therefore more expensive than the mic itself!
Are there any cheaper way?
And what mic should I use then? A 60 ¬ t.bone can I do with little more than twice as expensive running .....

Note: My budget is limited to 150 ¬!
so my questions

s.Gibt is so synonymous cheaper?
b) Which mic you can use?




Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

What is so for example with a cable: http://www.thomann.de/de/cordial_ccm_5_fp.htm? Protection against interference?
Or between the cable and t.bone Camera: http://www.thomann.de/de/cae_20035_kamerakabel.htm? Interference? Noise?
This http://www.thomann.de/de/cae_17593.htm complains that "f. XLR to TRS balanced." What is Symmetric? Is my connection Symmetrical or asymmetrical?



Antwort von shipoffools:

[quote = "02VideoFaBI"] ...

"02VideoFaBI" wrote:
... What does Balanced? Is my connection Symmetrical or asymmetrical?


The microphone connector on the HV30 is unbalanced.
A fairly simple explanation relating to "balanced - unbalanced (asymmetric) can be found here:

http://www.thomann.de/de/onlineexpert_18_2.html

"02VideoFaBI" wrote:
... Or between the cable and t.bone Camera: http://www.thomann.de/de/cae_20035_kamerakabel.htm? Interference? Noise?
...


The top of cable you might called a good solution to the T.bone EM9600 s.der HV30 to operate as it
- Not too long and
- The mono sound on both channels of the HV30 recorded (solder bridge).

The interference with unbalanced cables, one can roughly say:
The shorter the cable, the less interference, since such a cable as an antenna effect. There are 1.5 m length of cable is a viable compromise solution between the "as close as possible s.die sound source ran" and "not too long asymmetrical cable.
Good is sometimes s.dem T.bone Micro, that there is a battery-powered preamplifier with has probably otherwise would because of XLR to TRS not too much to s.Signal.
To Noise: It depends not only on the cable. See above.



Antwort von Jitter:

I think the cable discussion s.Deinem problem is completely gone. I look at the sounds that you published, you belong. The Micro-TBone simply no longer work. It is too insensitive. You could be even higher aussteuren manual, which would reinforce the noise synonymous. There is nothing of interference, defects, Symmetric-Unsymmmetrisch to hear. One hears only a Microphone, the little good. A Videomic would be a few tens to more expensive and better classes. It roars significantly less than the built-Canon Microphone. But noise-free, it is obviously not synonymous.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Thanks for the replies and tips!

Quote:
http://www.thomann.de/de/onlineexpert_18_2.html
Great link, thx!

Quote:
The top of cable you might called a good solution
one I have yes, but then comes the noise ...
Would be synonymous here to work: http://www.dantotec.de/product_info.php?products_id=64386?utm_source=idealo&utm_medium=CPC? When I have used this fact came to the noise. But it should be exactly the same, or?
Can I use this (Hama) for the conversion Symmetisch-> Asymmetrically use? Then I would hire an XLR mic to buy?
As jitter thinks the noise is perhaps simply s.der poor quality of t.bone! It is the t.bone but beginners as' secret tip "and then such a noise, but ok ...


Quote:
There is nothing of interference, defects, Symmetric-Unsymmmetrisch to hear
Synonymous interference should not occur because the t.bone an xlr cable has, the only thing conspicuous is the strong noise and I thought this could be a false conversion of symmetric-> unbalanced come ...


Quote:
A Videomic would be a few tens of expensive classes and to better
I only fear that by then the jack cable noise arise ...

This is probably t.bone just not good. I will now order the Rode Videomic with 3m extension cable, if it is not good, can I get it within 30 days of return ...

Again thanks for your help!
Greetings, Fabian



Antwort von Videofactory:

"02VideoFaBI" wrote:
Synonymous interference should not occur because the t.bone an xlr cable has

That you have misunderstood.
One XLR cable often has less interference than a cable jack, since it is usually thicker and better shielded, but the real sense, therefore no interference is the symmetry that result from the lost.

There are synonymous balanced TRS cable. The advantage of what I have XLR cables clearly see is that the times is much more stable and synonymous snaps.

Gruß, Alex.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Thank you, this is what I want to know.
An XLR connector brings me, then there is virtually no advantages, as I have, except I take a DI-Box ... it's me but too expensive.

Then, I look forward to my new Rode Videomic!
thx people for your info!

Greetings, Fabian




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