Frage von spunk11:
Hello
I have the following problem:
Before the birth of our first child, we have us a SonyDCR TRV240E Digital8 camcorders purchased since the previous Video8 camcorder of Sonykaputtgegangen was. From the quality of the recordings, however, I am very disappointed. The outdoor shots are nice, but pictures of buildings are very much "verkrieselt". Furthermore, it is often difficult "sharp" to make. The images are often blurry ... ... sharp .... ... Blurry. ... Sharp etc. The pictures of our old Video8 (played in the Digital8) are much nicer.
As you can see s.meiner expression, I am an absolute amateur in camcorder. I need him for the holidays, family celebrations and just for our daughter to grow up to be documented.
It has further announced junior and me is the following question:
Does it make sense a new camcorder to buy? Has the technology in the last 5 years, so improved, that better images come about? (Regarding the low use, of course, at a reasonable price range)
If yes, what camcorder would you recommend for my purposes? It should be set to "Auto" as a good film quality (ie, rest assured foolproof). Everything else is secondary. Or should I consider something else for example, regarding the existing and Digital8, Video8 tapes? Sliced, the movies, if anything, s.PC; for photos, we have a digicam.
After browsing in many forum posts I assume that for our purposes a mini-DV camcorder would be the right choice. Possibly. a Panasonic? If the NV-GS90EG-S (ca. 210, - ¬) will be sufficient or should it have the NV-GS500EG-S (770, - ¬) be? Or something in between (eg, NV-GS330EG-S)? Or another brand?
Please give me an advice, the more I read, the more uncertain I will.
For your answers, I would like now.
Many greetings
Sandra
Antwort von beiti:
Unfortunately, it is so that the light sensitivity camcorder easier in recent years, rather than improved. Blame are always smaller (and thus lichtschwächeren) sensors, but the synonymous megapixel mania (for High-Resolution Still Image Are the devices ever smaller pixels - to the detriment of the light sensitivity when shooting).
Some devices attempt the lack of sensitivity to light by an internal "noise" of the images capture, but significant loss of sharpness and artifacts to entail.
Since the choice of new DV camcorder steadily declining, it is difficult to give advice.
The inexpensive entry-level devices at all actually produce little noise or light mud - or her picture is too dark. The NV-GS90EG belongs in the latter category.
The Panasonic NV-GS500EG is indeed one of the last few handy DV camcorder with reasonably usable interior shots, but synonymous since 2006, and the market for a mini camcorder with standard resolution is not exactly cheap. For the money, there are already good HDV camcorder - but in terms of light intensity is not synonymous better.
Really good interior shots, there is only with devices from shock SonyVX2100 or at least a Canon XM2 (Henkel camcorder). They have larger sensors and high-Lenses - but what is synonymous with the size, weight and price effects. For typical family film so they are too expensive and too unwieldy.
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
I need him for the holidays, family celebrations and just for our daughter to grow up to be documented.
It has further announced junior ..
Exactly 2 months, I have at 30 Birthday of the eldest daughter a 30min film about their lives together and cut the company celebrating presented. It was 9 years Computer hardware, 9 years old S-VHS material and 12 years 8 mm cine-film (copy) is used.
What I mean to say is that you must be clear that in the time before these films are fascinating, the media, which will be filmed, and in any case will change. That means it now plays no major role, whether you have a DV Camera buy, or even an HD Camera. Umkopieren you have until the wedding in any case.
What I did, however, was that I always when I bought a new camera, then made the second best, which was to receive. The second best? To add a bit of money to save over the top model, and they were then as a family camera is always synonymous something smaller. But exactly what is on film og fully paid: The picture quality was for the time - almost - the best that was possible, so that the copies synonymous are still respectable.
Small, very effective trick: The years of life as backward point. First, viewers can then be the "main actors" know only a short time, a reference to the more "younger" people be build. Conversely, usually as usual: baby look for outsiders always the same, until the end of the movie you can see the groom again. And it just goes with the film quality: the longer the film lasts, the more accustomed the eye s.die always be worse image quality of old recordings. With a witty, loving comment was even "new" friends to tears, even though the image quality towards the end was very antique.
The last 9 years I filme "family" with a SONY TRV 900, an enormously powerful 3-chip camera, which is now synonymous still used around 700-800 euros. and which I will certainly not against a new HD-camera exchange, because the level of intensity is not yet able to quantify the cost and synonymous for quick calculator, Television / Beamer me are too high. The time for change will probably come, but maybe in 4-5 years perceived when highly paid high-HD cameras there, and it is the calculator that is synonymous with ALDI (is just a slogan, as computers get cut then I already a slightly better cut). But the computing power of the data sheet on her meant.
If it is not such an old camera should be, as I have now, but then something like the previous speaker has mentioned, a 2 year old Panasonic GS 500th I know personally the results of the Panasonic GS 400 and GS 380: Another great family camera, 3-chip, high aperture. Here is a good used, and you have gained time, until 4-5 years of HD cameras and more lighting environment more compatible devices and have become cheaper.
A tip at the end: Just as a family film on good storage properties of the media, because the material is so in 30 years is needed. tapes are cheap and excellent shelf life, not DVD's!
It greets a film experienced Pappi
Antwort von ef.multimedia:
Does your statement on smaller HDV cameras like the Canon HV20? Because a Panasonic NV GS 500 can never be in life with a Canon XH A1 or SonyHDR FX7 luminous point in the match. In a VX2100 looks already different, but synonymous plays in another league as the 500th GS
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
Does your statement on smaller HDV cameras like the Canon HV20? Exactly. Because my family cameras should not be greater such as 2 concentrated fists (otherwise it takes too rarely with) and 1,200 euro is not necessarily as Neupreis should exceed. For theater, music and commercials, I have a used SONY PD150 (of the adult and 3 children will receive a gift!), Which of course is still light is stronger, but I never would take a vacation.
Antwort von Markus:
But ... what synonymous to size, weight and price effects. For typical family film so they are too expensive and too unwieldy. To look at the scale to expand in the 1970s cost an (CRT) Camera with VHS recorder neck setback 15,000 DM and brought many many kilos on the scales.
What is, however, a VX2100 for less than one third of the purchase price in almost significantly less mass and better picture quality?
It's always a question of the relation. ;-)
Antwort von beiti:
In the 1970s cost an (CRT) Camera with VHS recorder neck setback 15,000 DM and brought many many kilos on the scales. ... and that is why, in the 70s, hardly anyone even his children filmed on video.
The "ordinary family film" may be a camcorder not small, lightweight and secure enough to be foolproof. I know of several cases of young parents, where the camcorder after initial enthusiasm over the years has remained in the cupboard.
Even I myself know of the phenomenon, for example, that one holiday is not a real pleasure to shoot and each has additional handle is perceived as a burden. If that was me as a single alleinreisendem so can go, it is fathers and mothers who are on the thousand of the most important things to worry about need, but certainly so.
An ordinary film, which was later synonymous seems like other people and can show, filming you never "from the wrist" and without careful preparation and rework. It is ultimately faced with the question whether in future a little more money and significantly more time in the amateur video invested, or whether one's will not be so important.
The supposedly foolproof safe mini camcorders make shooting quite fun (because it has the deceptive impression, nothing can go wrong), but the viewing of the films will be more Oeder. After ten minutes waggly filmed "Kevin is trying to climb the chair to" sleep first guests, and after another fifteen minutes "Kevin smeared his porridge", yawn synonymous Kevin's loving parents. ;)
If at least one parent takes seriously the shooting and a real hobby out of making wonderful memories can s.die first year of junior arise (and of course many other private films). But opportunity without interest s.Technik film and film language almost never bring what clever on the screen - sounds hard, but it is so.
Specifically asked, I would suggest from the above experience, the majority of young parents from more video. Already a good camcorder rips already a massive gap in the budget, and if the results are not really convincing, it is pity for the Money.
I would in this situation I am rather limited to the occasional shooting (which is quick, and it captures memories synonymous so on). It could be synonymous to think about on certain occasions (eg, family celebration) a professional or enthusiastic amateur filmmakers to attract, which then ensures that the later children of a little decent video material.
Antwort von stepi1974:
So I see a similar synonymous.
And prefer to remember things before the photos, since you can then afterwards what hineinintepretieren nice and close the album in time
Antwort von spunk11:
Hello,
Thank you for your answers.
Have I understood correctly, that in my case, nothing brings a new camcorder to buy because the quality of the recordings is not necessarily better, except I take the correct money in hand. My absolute pain threshold lies at around 750 ¬. And I wanted to really significantly undercut.
regarding "rather than video images", I decided to speak again:
I have to film every minute of my daughter happy, be it ever so synonymous blurred, blurred or amateurish. These impressions can not convey Still Image. Of course they do not look each year to s.aber s.and I think it is great. One forgets so much ... Shoot, I will in any case, again, be it with a new or halt (sometimes blurred and blurred) with the TRV-240E.
Would it make more sense HDV camcorder to buy? I could make the shots then yes on the first-Camera s.LCD TV and watch the tape archive. Editing then yes, I could still, if a faster PC is due. Or do I have again a mistake?
If not, what HDV camcorder would you recommend me. Or suck synonymous only the very expensive what?
Apologies that I pester you so, but I'm totally undecided what I do.
Thank you for your Gedund.
Sandra
Antwort von beiti:
Would it make more sense HDV camcorder to buy? I could make the shots then yes on the first-Camera s.LCD TV and watch the tape archive. Editing then yes, I could still, if a faster PC is due. Or do I have again a mistake? If you ever want to re-invest, it would indeed be an HDV camcorder a good choice. Each HDV camcorder can be synonymous signal via Firewire as a DV output, which you can synonymous with an older calculator edit (just like your recordings D8 - D8 is the signal with her identical DV).
However, in HDV captures the fun with 700 to 800 euros just to (Canon HV30, etc.).
If not, what HDV camcorder would you recommend me. Or suck synonymous only the very expensive what? In terms of intensity because unfortunately you have exactly the same problem as with DV camcorders (and which you can, as I said, only with more expensive models and vsschwereren bypass), but at least you'll get under good lighting conditions then good HD images - which in terms of late use (30th birthday, etc.) is a beautiful thing.
Sometimes the art of filming was easy to know when to good shots-how and when not (by then not to film).
Antwort von spunk11:
Synonymous Would the Panasonic HDC-SX5 an alternative? The currently available for 399, - ¬. That would be a great price. If the synonymous recommended? While AVCHD, but I would edit eh until later, when the PC is fast enough. Or rather finger away (eg wg DVD instead of tape)?
@ beiti
"If you ever want to re-invest ..."
Do I understand correctly that you would rather recommend the re-TRV-240E?
Many greetings
Sandra
Antwort von stepi1974:
regarding "rather than video images", I decided to speak again:
I have to film every minute of my daughter happy, be it ever so synonymous blurred, blurred or amateurish. These impressions can not convey Still Image. Hi Sandra,
... I find that synonymous. The most beautiful Still image says nothing about the first steps, first words, etc. from ...
I want the 20-year-old recordings of my daughter not to miss and archive them so carefully.
I have a few months ago synonymous decided to film in HD and I've purchased the Canon HV20. I'm thrilled of the picture! Lowlight When you have to experiment a bit to get usable shots, but soo bad they are not.
Internet Prices for HDV Camera Of Sony Or Canon start at around 600 euros.
The advantage of a HDV camera is synonymous is the first HDV on tape to archive and if you with "tools" on HD not so equipped, computerized cutting and a normal DVD to burn.
Greeting
Video Express
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Antwort von beiti:
Synonymous Would the Panasonic HDC-SX5 an alternative? The currently available for 399, - ¬. That would be a great price. If the synonymous recommended? While AVCHD, but I would edit eh until later, when the PC is fast enough. Or rather finger away (eg wg DVD instead of tape)? So if AVCHD, then take a model with hard drive or SD (HC)-card and archived material such as external hard disks.
AVCHD camcorder with DVD recording is nonsense, the drive makes the device only unnecessarily large, and it is in practice always to SD Card and record on DVD, because it is much more practical.
(On an 8 cm single-layer DVD fit just 14 minutes AVCHD in the best quality, and durability of DVDs is synonymous not so great.)
The HDC-SX5 not know myself. According to Video Active is a good camcorder with interesting equipment for ambitious filmmakers - unfortunately with insufficient Lowlight quality (ie worse than eg Canon HV20/30). And so we are back on topic ...
Do I understand correctly that you would rather recommend the re-TRV-240E? I would be a good HDV Model buy me s.den excellent shots in good weather and enjoy myself to accept that inside shots in bad light does not look so perfectly.
Antwort von Jan:
Well, the TRV 240 was not synonymous lamp.
A camera with no manual white balance and in the test reports a bad Lowlightqualität - this is not the synonymous True ....
This is synonymous Camera 1 / 6 "CCD and 800 n.Pixel. In today's time, because what has improved in the sensor technology, the surface wid better used and the electronics is synonymous better. Well, today's entry GS 90 camcorder makes for a test synonymous winner a little too dark picture.
Time a question (which I find increasingly in recent times to s.den user) - Why is then a 600-800 ¬ Cam bought and is now in the cheapest class (200 ¬) gesucht?
A current SonyHC 96 or Panasonic GS 320 & 330 are already there a better character than your old 240 made - quite safely in daylight. Although of course at 500 ¬ superior should not be equal to HDV to go.
A good cheap HDV 2007 (SonyHC 5) is for 550 ¬ to get - they can be synonymous PAL 720x576 & record output.
Of course, the more difficult, today's companies need a good Resolutionhinbekommen - the sensors are often reduced.
This is a vicious cycle - this is just - you verkleinerst the Capacity in a car and make it harder
Example: 1.4 liter engine with 70 horsepower - 1100 kg
Now: 1.2 liter engine with 60 horsepower - 1300 Kg ....
That is synonymous for a long time nor the VX 2100 & PD 170 section 1 of Lowlightszene (up to 4000 ¬) to be - then 3x 1 / 3 "CCD with 450,000 fortunately depending pixels. Come with the Sony EX 1 in the vicinity.
But welcome to the club in order to get good pictures you have just like the pros illuminate - if the too cumbersome (as for most users) - then you have to stop with Rauschebilder satisfied.
Panasonic SX 5 - do not! I hope you have informed you where you can play these blanks and how much of a blank in the best quality draufpasst. Keyword UDF 2.5 and BlueRay player!
VG
Jan
Antwort von spunk11:
Hello,
Thanks for the answers. Then is an HDV but probably the best choice.
I think I will be then for the SonyHC5 decide, since they approximately 220, - ¬ cheaper than the alternative is Canon HV30.
If you're of the opinion that the extra cost would be worthwhile and I would prefer to use alternative Canon HV30 should be, or to a completely different, please give further notice.
Then I would like the next questions:
What accessories would you be necessary or useful recommend (I have eg UV filter as lens protection and "tulips"? Read)? An exact title and possibly where the s.besten appointed, would be very helpful for me. What tapes are recommended (I'll play only 1 x 1 x Capture and then archived)?
@ Jan
Since I hold no idea, I just referred to the total (acceptable to me) asking price range. It would indeed be able to demonstrate that synonymous the best model would have met my needs. The purchase of the 240 reason was the possibility of digitizing my old Video8-tapes and the (according to my memory) pretty good reviews on the Internet.
On the SX 5 I'm only through the newsletter redcoon encountered. I understand that I here s.falschen end would save.
Thank you for your help and a nice Sunday.
Many greetings
Sandra
Antwort von comix:
HDV is always a good choice. I usually make videos for the Internet, and HD is just as tens of times better quality. If you look nice here, with the HC5 - and that's not much compressed:
http://www.vimeo.com/885877
accessories: Oh, you can not have enough. Tripod, Wide Angleund Micro is probably the first purchases. Sometime it is like for me to self-handles, LCD monitors, 35mm adapter, etc.
Tripod is the first but most important,'ll remember sometime when you have the urge more to make your recordings.
tapes, the Panasonic AY DVM60YE very good, similar to the synonymous loud. Tapes are all first class, and here in Germany quite cheap compared to UK or U.S..
Have a HC5 here is with the new bill in OVP, do you interested?
Antwort von beiti:
I think I will be then for the SonyHC5 decide, since they approximately 220, - ¬ cheaper than the alternative is Canon HV30.
If you're of the opinion that the extra cost would be worthwhile and I would prefer to use alternative Canon HV30 should be, or to a completely different, please give further notice. The main differences between the two models are functions that for ambitious filmmakers "are important. This concerns Controls / elements and so things like microphone and headphone jack. In terms of both Lowlight are not great, but not synonymous completely unusable, the HV20/30 produces stronger noise, the HC-5 provides relatively dark images .*
When I look at your input description to read ( "It should be set to" Auto "as a good film quality (ie, rest assured foolproof). Everything else is irrelevant."), You'll get with the disadvantages of the HC-5 can live well.
* Whether or Abdunklung Noise: This is only a matter of the vote and actually two sides of the same Madaille. It is synonymous in the conduct of post-production to align something, ie the images of the darker brighten up your camcorder (which he roars strärker) or images of the roaring camcorder darken (causing the noise less noticeable).
Antwort von pingu2k:
Hi Sandra,
... as accessories I purchased 2 replacement batteries, UV filter (as a lens protection) and a matching bag. Tripod and a suitable external Micro I have of the previous camera, the tapes I take the normal mini-DV and always buy the same brand.
Greeting
Video Express
Antwort von Jan:
That was not meant bös, so bad is the 240er not synonymous, was then just a Digi8 beginners.
That with the "mini Blu Ray blanks" - that is, MTS files on small 8 cm DVDs - the SonyUX & Panasonic DX & SX is unfortunately synonymous of the industry is not correct to customers.
Few know this is the UDF 2.5 on the calculator must have the DVD s.Calculator ever to be able - Windows Vista owners have it easier since. A normal DVD Player & Recorder plays the disc does not synonymous - a Blu Ray device is needed.
So is the "Soforteinlegen" of the DVD for most customers are not synonymous as possible - one of the biggest advantages of the system ever gone ...
Well and then the 15 min recording time, so clearly there is DL, but the more expensive and only once ....
I think HC 5 is the right choice for you - test pictures, there s at Videoaktiv.de.
HV 30 has 71 (of 100) will score - HC 5 - 67 points - well off as far as it is not. It makes since eh manual options & equipment - but you may not use anyway.
VG
Jan
Antwort von spunk11:
Hello,
Thanks again for your patience. You have really helped.
Today I ordered the HC5. Was not that easy: if the source gabs suddenly only at a much higher price and at Cyberport, I have just the last ergattert. I have a feeling that the dealer so the camcorder can slow out. I'm so excited about the recordings ...
Bezgl. the accessories you nor I would be grateful for your thoughts: tapes: Panasonic AY-DVM60FE they are ok right?
UV filter as lens protection: B & W filter UV (010) 37mm (27, - ¬) or
Hoya HMC 37mm UV filter (Y5UVG037) (12, - ¬)
or completely different?
With regard to the
replacement battery, I am unsure s.meisten:
I should be an original take-Battery (expensive) or
Hama gibts of a compatible (not much cheaper) or is ok:
http://cgi.ebay.de/SETPREIS-Battery-Sony-NP-FH100-NP-FH50-NP-FH30-Ladegeraet_W0QQitemZ140225487754QQihZ004QQcategoryZ27762QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
then there is still on ebay with the cable, to see but not very confidence inspiring from
Then I've read that a "tulip" (lens hood, see http://cgi.ebay.de/Sonnenblende-die-Tulpe-37-43-49-52-55-58-62-67-72-77_W0QQitemZ260234045426QQihZ016QQcategoryZ31174QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
would be highly recommended. Behold your so synonymous that? Or is that nonsense?
Last but not least:
Are there any other accessories, etc. your in my case for the beginning as necessary?
Thank you for your answers and many greetings
Sandra
Antwort von dirk.thiele:
Tulip is already OK
Whether the item location is optimal?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Hi
So accessories
tapes - there are absolute specialists, as is the tray Proficient response ;-) So because of the coating and etc. but basically when a variety is said to remain.
See eg here
for tapes FX7
UV filter - B & W / Hoya ToP .... these are brands that generally you can always buy. Certain UV filters are, however, for another film for digital images, whether that is now synonymous to Video coins is too little experience in video reserved. On my Canon XL1S I Heliopan filter on it.?.
Battery-Take originals - I view is my thing but I always take care of everything from originals or just the RC ToP Shop Batteries .... because it saves s.der wrong place I always think.
Tulip aka Sunshade - good protection of the lens plus light irradiation and the resulting sample are occurring on a minimum percentage of down. Recommended.
Tripod? So what exists already planned?
Antwort von spunk11:
Hello,
to the "tulip" I have a question:
Remains as the UV filter is always synonymous on the camcorder or only sunlight / outdoors?
Many greetings
Michael
Antwort von Elenex:
Kanst you actually always on top, as long as the head light is not impeded (rich in close-up)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... On my Canon XL1S I Helopina filter drauf ... Heliopan ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
