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Neue HDV-Camcorder im Consumer-Bereich?

New HDV camcorder in the consumer sector?



Frage von Martin:
November 2005

Hello,

're currently the only two HD cameras on the German market, which is halfway in the consumer price range romp, the two Sony devices FX1 and HD1. Of the other manufacturers, there is currently nothing. Still nothing? My inquiry as to Canon in this regard went unanswered.

Are we expected in the near future devices of other manufacturers that make the Sony competitors?

Greeting
Martin



Antwort von wolfgang:

I do not know when JVC will finally come with 720p devices in the consumer area. Announced that are already for some time, given the fact that for the NTSC world, long since, I ask myself for quite some time, after which JVC is waiting there.

Could well be that only in 2006.



Antwort von Markus:

Hi All,

Canon has released at the








Antwort von wolfgang:

Then I would, however, synonymous list nor the JVC HD101 - but that is probably more synonymous no consumer device.

I would rather there are actually HC1 it - even the FX1 is a question as to whether it still belongs.



Antwort von Martin:

"wolfgang" wrote:
Then I would, however, synonymous list nor the JVC HD101 - but that is probably more synonymous no consumer device.

I would rather there are actually HC1 it - even the FX1 is a question as to whether it still belongs.


Jou, neither the JVC or the Canon are in the typical consumer price range.

Too bad that Canon does not manage to make the HC1 competition - particularly the option 1080/25F place 1080/25i seems attractive.

Greeting
Martin



Antwort von MiXMaster:

Schaut euch doch mal, the new Panasonic HVX200 to http://panasonic-broadcast.de/index.cfm?uuid=28F781BB9D374650ADDB1E547848CE13&pid=11482&catid=4284&ClassID=10



Antwort von Jan:

Hello all,

naja The HVX 200 is supposed to finally come out the end of January, although the question is whether 4000 - 4500 ¬ is still synonymous consumer class.

In the coming weeks there'll be the "half" HDV JVC GR-PD 1 soon to 1000 ¬ everywhere. Ok it's not a Camera with HDV format, but 720 P with true 625-line (was not 576 as normal DV) and YUV outputs (HC 1) does not synonymous higher quality outputs. For this they can representing 50 frames. Although JVC GR calls its consumer class, they can still, however, estimate much higher.

Wolfgang had been synonymous expressed very favorably about the quality.

JVC GR PD 1

You'll watch me, I sometimes both models s.LCD / plasma, and compare a few

LG
January



Antwort von jens:

"Jan" wrote:

naja The HVX 200 is supposed to finally come out the end of January, although the question is whether 4000 - 4500 ¬ is still synonymous consumer class.


With this price (for the Canon XLH1) still would be favorable.
Only I do not quite believe it s. below 5000 ¬ ...



Antwort von Jan:

Hello,

na I heard the Panasonic purposely waiting and now the real price will not cough up. Since it is not a competitor with a new HDV model in early 2006 in the price range? An Internet company had indicated 4500 ¬, but it is synonymous 4000-5000 ¬ price of one possible (Said the company).

Well now I have a couple of JVC GR appointed PD 1, Munich my "friends" see the not so well and did not order the PD 1 (The still have plenty of HC 1 da)

Ok when I look at the data, the PD is actually a 1dann Kauftip (If it was not so voher)

1 / 3 "progressive scan 16:9 CCD, 1.18 megapixels
F 1.8-F 1.9 lens, opt. Stabi
MPEG 2 on Mini DV
16:9: 625 / 25 P, 625 / 50 P, 4:3: 625 / 50 P and 625 / 50 i
Manual Focus / Zoom ring
including Picture-accurate, non-linear imaging and DVD authoring software
Component signal, and an underwater case, there's still synonymous with WR HD 1.

LG
January



Antwort von molch:

yes, that has enormous pd1 selective for sd,'s just scaled down, that is almost as good as the downsampled the hc1. :-D
what has always prevented me from buying, are the bad manual setting possibilities.
zb struck me is that the material was partly eitwas colorless, you can not, unfortunately, correct color intensity in the recording.
subsequent saturating unfortunately often brings kompressionsartifakte for retribution.



Antwort von Jan:

Yes Newt, I had the unusual synonymous test results given no quarter.
The test of the PD 1 was of grade 1.4 - Reference class to good. There was never a consistent opinion on the camera of users.

The manual controls not quite accurate, I know, the most important for amateurs such as manual aperture and shutter are in place. How's with Zebra, manual level control, ND filter or the JVC-known professional features LoLux, FAW, Advanced Process menu (corrector of color matrix, gamma, Skin Detail, looks like the knee, clipping, or black level), I can not tell when she's about 3000 ¬ cost must still be some function in it?

I hope the pictures do not stand out excessively pale, looking naja times.

LG
January



Antwort von wolfgang:

No, it is nothing inside:

"Zebra, manual level control, ND filter or the JVC-known professional features LoLux, FAW, Advanced Process menu (corrector of color matrix, gamma, Skin Detail, knees, clipping, or black level)"

We noticed in the test rather that the material can hochkonvertieren surprisingly well to 720p. The pictures do not completely fall out excessively pale, and the difference with the HD100 was relatively low. I had some test pictures here:

http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=1548&boardid=42&styleid=6

and Test videos - but as with 2 Mbps wmv lie here.

http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=1609&boardid=47&styleid=6

Be careful, each file is about 60 MB in size.








Antwort von Jan:

Thanks Wolfgang

LG January



Antwort von jens:

"jens" wrote:
"Jan" wrote:

naja The HVX 200 is supposed to finally come out the end of January, although the question is whether 4000 - 4500 ¬ is still synonymous consumer class.


With this price (for the Canon XLH1) still would be favorable.
Only I do not quite believe it s. below 5000 ¬ siehe hier ...aber wer weiß.
Schöne Grüße,
Jens


Die Preiswürfel scheinen nun fallen ... ...
Greetings,
Jens



Antwort von wolfgang:

Thanks for the note - the price is, of course, was ...



Antwort von jens:

"jens" wrote:
... siehe hier ...
Please ...


Can someone actually time a plausible explanation for why we condemned in Euroland have drauflegen so much (only the tax's can not be ...)?!
Jens



Antwort von MiXMaster:

Well, this is once again 'ne good question.

Lt. Panasonic in Europe come on it again 14% import tax. At a price of U.S. $ 5500 for the Cam for $ 770 so we would be more like $ 6270th After converting the resulting net 5313 Euro (for a Course of 1: 1.18).
Why the draufschlagen with us again 600 euro, unfortunately I can not understand why so completely synonymous, but this will be as always: 1 Euro is just $ 1 if the synonymous for years is no longer so.

Wait times, which makes draus the market - I do not think that is traded for just under 6000 on the road (maybe they are then at the end of the year, even for less than 5 k).
Alternatively, one could of course purchase synonymous with U.S. not connect holiday and ordered it there just a PAL version. If you add inches and Importtax, which is still cheaper than buying them here - if indeed Prices should remain so. Only in the case of warranty one would probably have a problem.

Greeting
January



Antwort von WeiZen:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Lt. Panasonic in Europe come on it again 14% import tax.


SIXTEEN micht% 14%, and that in Germany, not Europe. Import VAT = sales tax, is to say, the rate of import VAT is equal to the rate of our sales tax that we pay for when shopping. And the Height of the sales tax is different in every country in Europe.
Furthermore, still comes to import duty. I do not know exactly, guess 12.5% (in this case TARIC No. 8525409900) and 4.9% (in this case TARIC No. 8525409100 With only able to record through the camera recorded sound and picture) for no DV In .



Antwort von jens:

Ullrich, I think you bring this confusing.
I think the import is already there in the 5990 ¬. VAT (Umsatz-/Mehrwehrtsteuer) just stands still (plus off). Here in Germany, so we expect the 16% (19% at some point ;-), but because we (in Europe yes) are still quite good. Since then, we are already at almost 7000 ¬.

A Straßenpris of under 5k would be desirable, but, I 's can not imagine me so quickly ... (the Investtion will be worth it but certainly synonymous ;-).
Greetings,
Jens



Antwort von WeiZen:

Moin,
Of the above example came from a U.S. price.
Inch And then there's tax on it.



Antwort von jens:

Achso,
I thought you go from the (verified) price from the link from ...
Greetings,
Jens








Antwort von MiXMaster:

@ Wheat

So I thought I already 14%, only I did not want to tax, but Inch write (sorry). The 16% VAT (value added tax so our course) to get additional synonymous (in the U.S., so I've always written of net prices) - but only for individuals is a problem, since traders are repeated so that very generally. Who buys such a device even just for fun - those who can do this, is probably less interested in the price.

There is this way, both the Panasonic Broadcast Forum, as synonymous to hvxuser.com a lively discussion on the matter and there will be synonymous to an official statement of a Panasonic representative.
There is just synonymous mentioned the problem with the inch and there are now just 14% (not 4.9; 12.5 or something) was in Europe (! - Not Germany) is charged.

The fact is that there remains a difference, although the bundle price with P2 cards to move around in the frame.

Synonymous What I do not understand why Panasonic HVX 200 persists in so rigid to DVC PRO HD exclusively on P2 cards to record when other cams of the same principle at home (AJ-HDC27HE) even more (ie variable frame rates of 4 to 60 fps) with cassette can record?
The 5k euros for the Cam, I do not even have the biggest problem, but the outrageously expensive P2 cards and 16 minutes recording time I'll find a little silly and internal to the drive, I can only record DV (where I have read so far) . If the synonymous going to tape, this would presumably be at the moment the Übercam, but is so, it not only very expensive (even with ext. HDD solutions, if it should work), but plenty of circumstantial synonymous (you must always have a laptop quaisi cache in order to have the material when the P2 cards are full).
P2 as an additional option, I would have found good, because it certainly has many advantages, but is solely for the prices for me, the main drag.

@ jens

Waiting times we had the street price from - the FX1 synonymous SonyHDR a fairly high launch price has slipped very quickly and () now they get for 2560 Euros + shipping.

Greeting
January



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Now, please listen to the theme here is:

New HDV camcorder in the consumer sector?



Antwort von MiXMaster:

Also, a small addendum (before someone again rumpienst ;-)):
The 16% referred only to Dt. - In the U.S., so varied and well known, it is usually not nearly as much.

Greeting
January



Antwort von jens:

"Anonymous" wrote:

Synonymous What I do not understand why Panasonic HVX 200 persists in so rigid to DVC PRO HD exclusively on P2 cards to record when other cams of the same principle at home (AJ-HDC27HE) even more (ie variable frame rates of 4 to 60 fps) with cassette can record?
The 5k euros for the Cam, I do not even have the biggest problem, but the outrageously expensive P2 cards and 16 minutes recording time I'll find a little silly and internal to the drive, I can only record DV (where I have read so far) . If the synonymous going to tape, this would presumably be at the moment the Übercam, but is so, it not only very expensive (even with ext. HDD solutions, if it should work), but plenty of circumstantial synonymous (you must always have a laptop quaisi cache in order to have the material when the P2 cards are full).


Recht haste, Jan.
In Hackermovies Jens



Antwort von MiXMaster:

Yes, but only an iPod, its predecessor - the new ones have indeed only has USB.

But let's better, otherwise there's still trouble ;-).

Back to topic.

Greeting
January




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