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Opinions on Panasonic NV-GS 180/280 at "little" light



Frage von Jose:
Februar 2007

Slashcam Dear reader,

I would like to see in the near future to purchase my first video camera and
had my choice because of the forum posts on the two models of
Panasonic NV GS-180 and 280 restricted.

Now I'm undecided which of the two cameras on my
Use is better. 280er that better than the 180er is me
already clear. Only if the extra for me synonymous value have
I would like to know of you.

I am an enthusiastic rider and would Camera especially for recording of Reitszenen and courses for Periods of Use. For courses primarily synonymous is the sound quality for the important statements of the trainer, here both seem Panasonic cameras to be very good (+ possibility of an external adapter Micro).

I was confused, however, forum posts where the quality of the images in "little" light has been criticized. Just what does that mean, low-light? In winter, we use a converted barn as a riding arena. It is approximately 14 x 16 meters tall, with no windows and is lit by 4 Neonleuchten. For the human eye is a nice / bright enough, what is the situation for a video camera from? Is that even a "little" light situation? Or refer to "low light" contributions to facilities that are only of a candle be lit? I will be synonymous in a lot of great
Reith Allen with 40 x 80 meters filming, which are covered. In the summer
side open, but shaded by the roof.

Might be time, experience with the two cameras has to describe s.welchen light situations sound recordings are no longer possible? I expect no miracles or razor sharp images. But I would be able to see what the coaches shows and hear what he says.

How much difference in such an optical recording
Image Stabilization and a better lens the 280er or the lack of Image Stabilization in the 16:9 mode of the 180er? For these purposes both cameras, or is unsuitable as the 180er fully enough? Is there another camera that you use me for this purpose
would recommend?

And another question: my brother wants to be one of the two synonymous
Panasonic cameras to buy. Lives unfortunately geographically far away, so
A common purchase is not possible. He wants a "town portrait"
rotate and synonymous lit scenes s.Abend of buildings or ships record. Is it something with a camera as the NV GS 180/280 even possible? That this would be an additional investment in the 280er pay? Or are cameras in this price class generally unsuitable for such a thing?

By asking for your support in purchasing
Jose



Antwort von Markus73:

"Jose" wrote:
[...] Have confused me, however, forum posts where the quality of the images in "little" light has been criticized. Just what does that mean, low-light? In winter, we use a converted barn as a riding arena. It is approximately 14 x 16 meters tall, with no windows and is lit by 4 Neonleuchten. For the human eye is a nice / bright enough, what is the situation for a video camera from? Is that even a "little" light situation?

Without the exact situation to know, I would say: If you have normal neon tubes do, yes, that sounds like very little light in such a large room.
Quote:
Or refer to "low light" contributions to facilities that are only of a candle be lit?

No, absolutely not. Quite normal room lighting is synonymous in many cases too little, in order not optimal corners of the room to get good shots.
Quote:
Might be time, experience with the two cameras has to describe s.welchen light situations sound recordings are no longer possible?

A real experience with my GS180: A 20-watt energy-saving lamp (supposedly a classic 100-watt bulb with Steve) on a table of the suspended ceiling is usable recordings of everything that is s.Tisch and the people around. Useful means that for the typical Lowlight "Grieseln" just slightly visible, but without disturbing.
Quote:
How much difference in such an optical recording
Image Stabilization and a better lens the 280er or the lack of Image Stabilization in the 16:9 mode of the 180er?

In terms of Sensitivity? Pretty much do not. The OIS eliminates the wobbling a little more efficient. Even better, however, is a tripod :-)
Quote:
For these purposes both cameras unsuitable

Based on the dark hall: very possible. And I find it in this case for more productive and easier to believe, for sufficient lighting to make than trying to light the lack of any significantly more expensive "wonder-light cameras" to offset.

Regards,
Markus



Antwort von Jan:

Hello Jose,

I think you need to find out myself, so lighting condition probably only know a few. Is synonymous relative, a demanding filmmaker immediately noticed the noise and is disappointed, others will find the Picture annehmenswert yet. Window curtains and in a flat 1-2 60 watt lamps are a hurdle for a consumer camcorder, a picture, you get even, depending on the model a little dark, noisy and sometimes with pale colors.

If you already know that your reception area is often synonymous slumber is light, take the 280th GS Also, the built-in stabilizer is significantly more effective in light slumber. For the GS 180 - the Sator nichtvorhandenen Stable at 16 / 9 is for me really partially renounce a reason for quiet operation 2 hand, few focal shifts and quiet camera work, it is synonymous possible without stability, a second - the GS 180 gains a few degrees at 16 / 9 mode, no comparison to the 16 / 9 a profit SonyHC 94/96. You will receive in the GS 180 is only a small profit angle.

At the end, I must say, each uses a sophisticated head light, sometimes synonymous wenns is only 20 watts to the front meter auszuleuchten. This is synonymous with 10000 ¬ cameras so that the consumer want to not only understand. I can not synonymous in the forest / on a mountain climb with open sandals that does not stop.

One can say that a later brightening s.Programm still a little can be saved.

At night I have to swivel as a friend has a Panasonic Consumer SonyHC 94 / 96 recommended. Panasonic uses 1 / 50 sec in video mode as the longest shutter speed at night None choosing a program. The night program (no preference whether GS 180 & 280 or 500) uses the camera car, a 1 / 6 or 1 / 3 second), what the picture is brighter does - you can do to a city street at night, but at the smallest movement is then vermurkst the Picture, for the long shutter speed.

Sony Is there ran a little more sensitive, the jump of 1 / 50 to 1 / 6 second is not so great. The function is called Slow Shutter & long exposure, the camera is there often 1 / 25 (when the movement is still verschmerzbar) or 1 / 12 sec, in an emergency will help the NightShot the HC 94 / 96 (in green) to a reasonably Picture usable, there remains the 1 / 50 sec with a re-amplifier of the sensor and the additional small light.

For the same exposure of the GS 280 & HC 94, Slow shutter so that 1 / 50 sec Aperture and open at the same gain (camera data into the cameras to verify, given that Sony no bezel pure code and gain code there) was at my camp test in the company of the GS 280 Picture even a little brighter, the SonyHC 94 Picture on the other hand, had more sharpness.

I had synonymous "know" that even a 3000 FX SonyHDR ¬ 7 without additional light by candlelight atmosphere in forfeit problems, I wanted to stop this deliberately not to highlight the mood, which I think is wrong, it even had a little brightened be with editing program APP 2nd Even voted to cut the left s.Computer not my recording with the LCD & Viewfinder agree, but that is another matter.

FX 7 Interview

You have 14 days right of return that must be used as well to really be sure whether you liked the pictures.

VG
Jan








Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Markus73" wrote:
And I find it in this case for easier ... believe that sufficient lighting to ensure as to try ... with ... "wonder-light cameras" to offset.

You have right, of course, that more light the better solution is in principle - that Goethe already knew ;-) - only theory and practice are two different things. Do you realize how much work would be needed to Reithalle auszuleuchten? Even in smaller spaces you have for various reasons often with the existing light with things, and then you are very grateful for a "miracle of light-camera," because it is the only chance is a useful picture to get. The question here, of course, whether Jose so much more that would like to spend.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Markus73:

"Bernd E." wrote:
Do you realize how much work would be needed to Reithalle auszuleuchten? Even in smaller spaces you have for various reasons often with the existing light with things, and then you are very grateful for a "miracle of light-camera," because it is the only chance is a useful picture to get. The question here, of course, whether Jose so much more that would like to spend.


:-) Just Because "only" an upgraded barn is me and the four abovementioned fluorescent tubes appear very little, I think it is already possible, with reasonable Aufwang even a few extra lights up.

Especially as a "miracle of light-camera" are not just a little bit more expensive than the aforementioned models, but priced and synonymous else in a completely different league would play.

But like I said, yes I know the actual conditions and not just speculate. Basically you have right of course.

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von Jose:

First many thanks for the helpful comments!

I understand this correctly, that the optical Image Stabilization, there is no real advantage in low light would bring, if I change the recording of a Tripod from doing? The optical Image Stabilization would my trembling hand on the inventories decrease, but for example, would have no influence on the formation of streaks (?) Of moving objects when the camera quietly stands on a tripod?

As for the picture quality is concerned, I have no great expectations too. I'm mainly a matter of 1-3-day courses, the most important lessons in order to be at home again in peace through everything and repeat them. I have a friend of course recordings of a safe 10 years old receive analog camera, which are perfectly acceptable.
Since I still have never owned a video camera, I have no idea if like the old analog cameras in terms of light sensitivity were better than today's digital.
My fear is that in the situations described light Picture only one gray in gray, where hardly what to recognize.

Well, there is probably nothing more than trying ;-)

Schon mal danke für Eure Hilfe!

Regards
Jose



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Jose" wrote:
... that the Image Stabilization no real advantage ... would bring, if I change the recording of a Tripod from doing?

Quite right: The Tripod already prevents the camera shake. Moreover, it is advisable to turn off the stabilizer when the camera on a tripod stands.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Jan:

That is the problem, the cameras are cheaper but not better.

I had a few weeks ago a customer synonymous with an old analog Hi8 of Philips. The had a 1 / 3 "CCD, a built-in Microphone correct, then one in the way that the XM 2 & VX 2100, not so tiny as to the Consumer - synonymous GS Viewfinder The 280th was synonymous another league. I had it is feared, the customer came back to light sleep recordings of the old camera were really better than those of the new 3 CCD GS 180th

Without Tripod optical stabilizer works of precise and reliable, especially in less light. With Tripod has Bernd quite right, well if you can even watch the Picture "migrate" to see if the optical stabilizer s.ist and the camera on the tripod is.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus:

"Jan" wrote:
That is the problem, the cameras are cheaper but not better.

I prefer even to say that the camcorder will be in two ways always cheaper (price and quality). Most customers want it and so are not aware that the old, analog camcorder with 1 / 3 "- a beginner CCD price of perhaps ¬ 750 had. For less money, there was just nothing and so did even those beginners equipment is a certain minimum standard .

How bad cheap camcorder for the video are, I see just in my new low-cost camcorder Capture (SonyHC35). This is something you can recommend anyone, so the actual video recordings through the Lens "would like to make. ;-)




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