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Panasonic NV-GS 230 kaufberatung

Panasonic NV-GS 230 Kaufberatung



Frage von c55:
Juli 2007

Hello,

I am not quite sure whether I am after a SonyDCR-HC23 Panasonic
NV-GS230 to buy or wait to be first.
If anyone here has a 230 has, or had, I would have Answers questions relating to the look:

1) Do you know this camera?
2) What is the "Cinema" mode, you can set? (Habs times shortly
at Media Markt gesehen)
3) How is the wide angle? Can you have everything from a short distance
record?
4) Do I need a Microphone, or is the voice quality is already good?
5) If the NV GS 280 better?

My Areas of: Movies (important: Film Look ") and documentaries.
Thanks for the answers!



Antwort von BananaDragon:

I think with "film-look" do you mean that your recordings as in the movie should look, right?

Although I am still synonymous fairly new to the scene but I know too that you are the consumer with his camcorder will not be achieved.



Antwort von c55:

"I'm still pretty new synonymous in the scene but I know too that you are the consumer with his camcorder will not be achieved."

I almost with my DCR-HC23 done. You do not need ¬ 10000, - a film look to get. I first thought synonymous, but there are some very simple tricks.

What makes me aback is that Cinema mode, which you can select. Has someone already experience with it? He makes some film look?





Antwort von C.I.W:

I have the 180, the predecessor der230. The Cinema mode does not alter the contrast, gamma, etc. .. but only displays black bars above and below. The camera makes good pictures. The only disadvantage is that they can hardly keep quiet. It is simply too easy.



Antwort von Markus73:

"C55" wrote:
What makes me aback is that Cinema mode, which you can select. Has someone already experience with it? He makes some film look?

The creates a "letterbox" pseudo-widescreen, next nothing.

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von c55:

Why there's still the 16:9 mode, which you can select synonymous?
Is there then more black bars in 16:9? Is that what I'm looking for.

Quote:
I have the 180, the predecessor der230.


And the 180 is synonymous expensive.
Has someone experiences synonymous with NV-GS 280?



Antwort von C.I.W:

We can not say so. I have my 180 for 480 ¬ get. The 230 is expected for the same price you get.



Antwort von Jan:

Well if I remember correctly there are only one mode for the 16:9 and 4:3 switch, it can synonymous Cinema in the Sony menu called, no idea which camera I've been good 1 / 2 year no longer in the hand had - Discontinued model.

A Look cinema mode, she is not 100%, where gamma gradation & etc changed. If I remember right, the top model of course Sony Consumer HC 96 times, Panasonic GS 500 or Canon HV 20 to build on.

And there is more to her already mentioned Letterbox mode - so it will at 16:9 "cut" - but you lose resolution and the bottom up. 27 HC successor has given a kind of anamorphic 16:9 mode - we are so stretched, but without it - as another advantage of a wide-angle to see.

GS 280 would be a recommendation, which, unfortunately, there are hardly any.

GS 230 is more likely due to the purchased Connections (microphone input and headphone output) - GS 320 is the better camera in many score - which I now again, but not all of them - there are enough 230 vs. 320 reports of users here.

VG
Jan



Antwort von c55:

Aha. So is the 230 but not as good as I hear here.

Quote:
Panasonic GS 500 or Canon HV 20 to build on


HV20 get me in any case, because the technique is poor (CMOS, etc.).
But so GS280 - 500 come into question.

I have just the images viewed with VAD (



Antwort von Jan:

Hello,

the 16:9 mode of the 230er would disturb me - no stabilizer!
So ne brunt of light slumber, it is not synonymous.

Also, the sharpness loss at higher focal lengths VAD then had in their test report, so there were 2 test winner the 230er and the SonyHC 47th

The 320er is definitely better, which was synonymous few owners of the GS 320 here reingepostet - often previously GS 230 buyers.

Although I am not always the friend Canon - but the HV 20 is certainly a special camera with nice facilities.

VG
Jan



Antwort von c55:

First, many thanks for the replies so far!

Quote:
Although I am not always the friend Canon - but the HV 20 is certainly a special camera with nice facilities.


Canon is by this C-MOS chip very cheap.
If I have sometime on the oh-so-great HDV camcorder transit, then already a SonyHDR-FX7 with at least 3 C-MOS.

Also: Are we're betting that in 2-3 years, HDV is already outdated? Von wegen future. There are already several followers in Japan, etc.. Perhaps XHDDDXDHHHDDX? Or supermegaHD2000? Could it be that they just need the right to choose? Otherwise, yes, the never ends! One who wants to be current, must therefore each day new television, camcorder ... purchase.
People looking for you a CORRECT and belasst Camera from it. My respectful s.alle with a camcorder for more than one years were used.


Quote:

The 320er is definitely better, which was synonymous few owners of the GS 320 here reingepostet


Hmm. Without Microphone Input? Whether the sound with the long endure, is another problem. Because someday If a Microphone necessary - for the Sound.

Quote:

the 16:9 mode of the 230er would disturb me - no stabilizer!


I have of any English website heard that the OIS Recording worse. No problem, especially if one takes with Tripod.

Quote:
So ne brunt of light slumber, it is not synonymous.


I think not that I am at night in complete darkness will absorb something.

Quote:

Also, the sharpness loss at higher focal lengths VAD then had in their test report


yes, this is unfortunately true.

Quote:
The 320er is definitely better


I would not say so. the 320 is of the same quality.

But now the question: Who has the GS230 and what can I report them? Would be very grateful.



Antwort von Jan:

I - and in the shop with 150 other cameras --

The GS 230 is certainly not on the GS Nivaeu the 320th

Yes, the whiners again, now is already Panasonics OIS pulled through the cocoa, it is always funny what the supposed experts and so the requirements that they have a large part of the here and elsewhere on the GS 320 writes the GS 320 has never been in the hand-held - has a lot of pomposity - I can talk about everything bad, especially if I am of the firm Canon come.

GS 320 has a lattice zb still line mode, the included S-Video cable,
1 million pixel images in video mode, AGS etc more than the 230th GS

Yes, the Leica Lens (GS 320) has not so much mad with a real Leica for 1000-5000 ¬ to do it but of Leica, Panasonic is synonymous if self-installed, a final inspection is made synonymous of Leica.

Well it's so 90% of users do not always want to connect Microphone, showing my daily experience with over 30 clients per day. Yes clearly I always take an external Micro, most people is a nuisance, especially in the consumer class.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus73:

"Jan" wrote:
[...] Yes, the Leica Lens (GS 320) has not so much mad with a real Leica for 1000-5000 ¬ to do it but of Leica, Panasonic is synonymous if self-installed, a final inspection of Leica is synonymous made. [...]

I have to contribute the following link that shows how much (or how little) with the name Leica quality has to do:
http://www.digitalvideoschnitt.de/forum/panasonic-camcorder/40876-welche-3ccd-hat-leica-objektiv.html

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von Jan:

Yes it was known that the old GS 250 Vignettierungsprobleme has concerns but not any Panasonic with Leica Optics.

I am now again at Panasonic directly asked, as I've written up the process.

The Leica optics for the cameras are not cheap compared with a Leica Optics good for 1000 ¬ I would not deny.

I must search for again, there were several users here with the GS 230 have started, and then "wutendbrannt - because of the optical performance, especially in the tele" for the GS 320 are changed.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus73:

Hi Jan,
"Jan" wrote:
Yes it was known that the old GS 250 Vignettierungsprobleme has concerns but not any Panasonic with Leica Optics.

So it was not synonymous meant. My opinion is just that you know the name of it is, should not be overestimated. Sure Leica can build super-optics, but the other synonymous. And in the price range in which the issue played out, are probably all just cook with water, with a Leica or Zeiss "certainly beneficial impact on sales is expected.

Quote:
I must search for again, there were several users here with the GS 230 have started, and then "wutendbrannt - because of the optical performance, especially in the tele" for the GS 320 are changed.

Do you actually, if the predecessor synonymous concerns GS180? The description of the lens so reads the same. I use the 180 and am with the optical performance very satisfied, synonymous in the telecommunications sector (which I often do not) looks very good, despite the "Only-Panasonic-Lens". Although I have not measured, but think that I, in my many years of nursing experience image an eye for it. At least I have no reason to complain.

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von c55:

First, thank you!

I am now on the 180 came to me and will probably buy it. :-)

Thanks for the good advice!



Antwort von Jan:

I do not know why, something must be at the Panasonic GS 230 have changed, Focal and sensors are the same, possibly
a processing error (lentils - Focusierung) when new.

VAD had explicitly pointed out that in their exact tests in the laboratory of GS 230 truly blur problems at high focal lengths are available, equipment may one day - I have no idea. On the issue before me GS 230, I can not serious note - who knows?

VG
Jan



Antwort von Jan:

Achso here to test a user (consulting) - including images of GS 230 and GS 320th

GS 320

VG
Jan




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