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But surely you know the men: Sometimes a man must have just what he wants ;-)

This is the case, not a technical decision.

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Either true or not!

Do not stand behind the HD before Glotze me to sit and have a bad picture to annoy, which with a 500 euro was Cam.

That gives me the money but then too bad! Dear 500 Tacker and more satisfied with the purchase!

With my P4 HT 3GHz-and D-920 dual-core computers and endless amount of disk storage alone would not be done.

Especially do I read a contribution synonymous-s.MAGIX webboard where someone is not a Canon HV20 Video Of Deluxe gets recognized. But the only s.Rande.

Overall seems particularly HDV and AVCHD is not yet even with the currently common hardware and software platforms in the market harmony.

When I had to decide what "3CCD" camcorder should I buy to really impeccable recordings finished, you are likely synonymous will run on television (on "Ruhrgebiet" and "Culture 2010").

Here I had synonymous HDV into consideration.
But many on the web have reported negative experiences regarding DV editing with existing equipment made me a little aback.
With my P4 HT 3GHz-and D-920 dual-core computers and endless amount of disk storage alone would not be done.

Especially do I read a contribution synonymous-s.MAGIX webboard where someone is not a Canon HV20 Video Of Deluxe gets recognized. But the only s.Rande.

Overall seems particularly HDV and AVCHD is not yet even with the currently common hardware and software platforms in the market harmony. The expenditure for an HDV camcorder can easily be substantial costs for "upgrades" to the house.

After a very thorough think about (and because the audience is not those millionaires will be the last big scream s.der have wall hanging), the choice fell on the PANASONIC NV-GS320EG S camcorder hard negotiated for 499 euros (as at Mailorder AMAZON I would have the device for even less can view).

Among the Caribbean and Widers I s.einem webboard omitted, and after that I referred to, and priority to its own reference work for friends and video Arges wants to expand (ie, not as user-help-users-revolving door). There I GS320EG already on my impressions and experiences stored:
Who wants to mag HIER klicken . Schaden kann es ja nicht.

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(The GS3



Antwort von consulting:

Dear 'shorthand'

This is quite understand.
The eligibility of the submissions, however, that someone only for themselves and synonymous off to his other options and decides requests.

In the presence of other conditions may be close.
All (of course, is "weighty") professional camcorder work here in 4:3 and 16:9. They should be complemented by an especially small and light, and especially not for "professional" looking, so unobtrusive camcorder.
Well, I thought maybe something for the future do so, by I have a HDV camcorder purchase. When an HDV camcorder that I could use one weeks, I could just cut with Premiere Pro (synonymous elsewhere with another program). The Consumer Programs went to the knee. It is synonymous to time.

From my / our target group, but suffice 4:3 and 16:9, bearing in mind that the target audience - namely, "average Joe" and "family Everyman" - with HDTV is still relatively little has s.Hut. For professionals, we know that the current generation devices represent only a transition, so in the not too distant future may be already obsolete. Since then the provisional "final" leap into a new direction. The manufacturer will be pleased, because they then "good" with "better" and the hype can be re-fueling. (Nice for the "poor", then for the little money now can slurp cream ...)

There was here with us, of course, synonymous with colleagues nachzuhören that - listen, listen! - That have defined a long time also with 4:3 / 16:9 to work.

Remained so to examine how images from professional camcorders with images of the Panasonic GS320 in the same contribution tolerated. The audit was very positive. Depending on your professional camcorder, it could only be required once a Colormatching made, namely when the professional side of candy-colored Takes existed. A difference in quality was the last element, especially with the analog "Glotze," not to notice. In the somewhat next disseminate TFTs sometimes do not.

The Canon provides an advantage, which - I believe - has not yet been mentioned: an excellent lens. The GS320 should be alone, therefore, from the Panasonic range to choose, because he has LEICA Lens. Dicomar This is a class for itself.



Antwort von aneubert:

We must not forget that today rotated pictures in ten or twenty years should be really interesting and would be.

I have my NV-GS 280 (better Vormodell, Identical but with Mic port and electr. Lens cap) against a HV-20 exchanged.
On a 72er tube (68 visible), the PAL-Picture of the Pana-Cam yet really good out on our new 40-inch Panasonic plasma makes it absolutely no fun anymore.

The recordings of the AGM-20 are against a real visual pleasure and still be synonymous to a 50/65-Zöller really look good.
The quality is closer s.den top productions on DiscoveryHD (Discovery Atlas, AzWeltstadt etc.) as s.schlechtesten thirds (Style and the City / Jeff Corwin) which has really creepy looks soft and noisy.
The dynamic range of the HV-20 is worlds better than the Pana - clip highlights the softer it is closer than s.einer DSLR s.der old PAL Cam. This hardship has always disturbed me earlier.
In Low-Light (Fluorescent) plays Canon in a totally different league - typical indoor lighting situations, with the NV-GS absolutely undefined and cloudy across are in the HV-20 crystal-clear and vivid.
The Canon lens is much better against, and the stability synonymous again expect a class better (I was already well in Pana) - probably because Leica has only the name of money made - it was against the real in all sow!

Only Canon's default settings are danebengegangen - in the video mode is a massive contrast to the strong - even the weakest setting is very hard but does so by grade.
In contrast Cinegamma mode you need to turn the hardest contrast setting so that it looks fantastic - the two are both weaker too meager.

For me, it's not a question whether SD or HDTV, I can not quite believe that we are not new, but all too world-Family movies in a quality can rotate the broadcast quality of the great lengths to surpass Channel - and for under 1000 ¬ on DV tape.

This relative synonymous Fummel the handling of the Canon, here I found the Panasonic to score many more (Zoomwippe) if one of the missing picture aside time parameters - the fixed basic setting was good.

Ultimately, however, be noted about moments, and to see now and in the next future with the AGM-20 very nice while the 576i on TVs of the future can no longer shine.

By: At the moment I finished synonymous nor HD-DVDs from the material - and the downscaled material also provides much better - the Panasonic-Cam has the PAL standard yet not nearly exploit.
Progressive DVDs in 25p look better again, incidentally - to the best scaling DVD players with Faroudja chip is the result of much closer picture s.HDTV as s.576i ...

The only thing I s.der HV-20 is a really annoying and bad if you focus pumps slowly zooms - it wabert of AF before and periodically back and versaut one's Bokeh because of the background and constantly sharpen blurred between herumwabert - disgusting, but look the same Manual Focus Zoomfahren with absolutely perfect, because even a little Cam Free Sets.

So, folks - if you forward your material to be sure, is an HD-Cam is a fantastic option - never could Heimcineasten the broadcast quality of most TV stations have taken.

Grüße, Andreas



Antwort von PowerMac:



For HDV: Total nonsense.
For AVCHD: Correct.



Antwort von AndyZZ:



In 20 or 30 years, you have your HDV Picture synonymous only tired smile. The device technology is on the "Today" oriented, not 20 or 30 years into the future. DV was invented, as no man of what HDV or similar knew or suspected. The Picture of the Panasonic in the 40-inch plasma looks bad, is not incidentally but s.der Camera s.dem scaling property of the plasma TV. The devices fit of the Resolutionher not go together.



Antwort von consulting:


Aha, there's an understood.

I said some time ago a top manager of the "brown guild" (with a world leading Group) in the "OFF", that is quite the confidence that he would never of the hyper-power of a camcorder out. Instead camcorder in the Picture of "mickerigen pixel volumes on the inter-chip high polish to leave, he would prefer a very powerful television invest all the inputs in the best quality hochinterpoliert. Since it was cold then, whether analog VHS, DV, or "something" to restore the 16:9 ... - The TV, the device should work. Then you could synonymous with a good representation from sources such as DVB-T/-S/-C or analog cable expected. Everything else is nonsense, but that it was cold, because: " We want each of our products sell as many. Since, for each product or the advertising department press their awards. s.Ende Important is what the press, TV and trade out of it. The purely rational critical buyer, there are only rare. "



Antwort von vanvita:

So so ... analog VHS quality at best highly interpolate?
Beyond recording technique was nonsense?

And one more question please:
The top managers of the "brown guild" is not random in Sargbau operate?



Antwort von consulting:


Where is it?
If you look at something only vorlügen must order it to "criticize"
perhaps you should consult someone ...








Antwort von vanvita:

Well you're good.
You write of "something to restore" and thus create room for interpretation, but in consequence beschwerst you're on the corresponding reactions.
What is the nonsense?

Maybe you're right and I should really be someone who "consult".
Even as a "top manager", synonymous to me then the pear interpolated.



Antwort von consulting:

Again accurate shot alongside.
I wrote and quoted: You should have read and understand and can not be hair in a soup inside fantasize.
"something" is in 16:9 and 16:9 initially not "something".
As a journalist, I formulations as exactly what they mean.



Antwort von aneubert:


Your reasoning is not effective. It is a HV20 Comparison with the GS320, and if we in 20 years, the recordings of the HV20 only belächlen will - as we are given to the PAL-Picture 320er, which I now no longer find beautiful?
The original poster asked about a family-cam and if what he now wants to hold on, he is better served with HDV, while later in any case looks better than DV. The relative difference is still there.

And even when it comes to recycling is now: alone, the dynamic range and the sensitivity of the HV20 is still a major advance over the GS320 as it has in the HDV Resolutionder case.
Indoor scenes, in which fine details like hair in the 320er are completely washed out in HV20 simply much better - I have the direct comparison and sufficient material with two rotated.

The scaler of the Panasonic plasma is at least in the direct comparison between the two cams and Standards does not matter because I have the material to the 1080p TV is always in play - that the deinterlacing and upconversion does not the television but the player and the wonderful.

And it is apparent that not only in comparison to 1080p high aufskaliertes 576i is a great advantage for the HV20 apparent - no, even if I use the material as HDV PAL DVD export it despite scaling much better than the uncontaminated Panasonic PAL Cam.

And: The 320er has less of a chip to PAL Resolutionpasst and therefore before the recording of the crooked Camera must be scaled.
The Canon is synonymous has the horizontal resolution of 1920 to 1440 downscaling, but the vertical lines remain intact.
And a down-scaling to higher resolution levels with integer ratios always succeed better than a crooked with low output and target resolution.

Grüße, Andreas



Antwort von aneubert:


Nope, this one has come into the blue - and danebengelangt. The deinterlacing and upconversion to make here is not the TV but the BlueRay player and better than any current Television.


Are interesting theories, which may be better met if all HDV camcorder would be highly interpolated. But since many Manufacturer 1920x1080 pixels and offers a largely Demosaicing picks already dominate the initial assertion of your top managers not so true. So beautiful with the idea of the good upscaling in the TV might be synonymous - the industry wants the price of TVs in the Competition seems rather low, and so we find high-quality deinterlacing + rather upconversion of DVD and BlueRay players BWZ. The PlayStation 3
But if the upconversion synonymous with top-PAL film material and amazingly good scans often brings to light is rather a passable temporary solution as a permanent alternative to high-resolution source material. And that is quite happily, even for amateur filmmakers already relatively affordable!

Grüße, Andreas

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