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Panasonic NV-Gs27, aber schlecht bei dunklen Lichtverhältnissen :(

Panasonic NV-Gs27, but bad in dark light conditions: (



Frage von Funnerl:
November 2006

Hi,
I would like to see like a camcorder to buy (Price limit to 300 ¬), for spontaneous shots (leisure, wedding, night shots!)
my criteria:
- Super good night mode
- Long recording time
- Rapid sequence
- P.20 times optical zoom

I am therefore already in the I-Net somewhat informed, and the Panasonic NV-Gs27 cuts do not actually bad, especially the price performance ratio.
But Cam has one serious drawback: image noise in low light conditions ..

My question:
Have you NEN proposal which Cam possibly could mend the gap?



Antwort von Markus73:

"Funnerl" wrote:
Hi,
I would like to see like a camcorder to buy (Price limit to 300 ¬), for spontaneous shots (leisure, wedding, night shots!)
my criteria:
- Super good night mode


Ouch :-) So either EUR 300, then take the GS27, a better because there's not. Or your desire characteristics, then you need to save a little bit ... Without light no picture, so simple is this

Quote:
- Rapid sequence

What should it be?
Quote:
- P.20 times optical zoom

Unnecessary if you ask me. Moreover, usually the imaging performance of the lens is bad, the bigger the zoom range is.

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von Sequester:

Hello,
FINGER AWAY FROM THE NV-GS27!

she had yesterday after 2 days again exchanged (blöd market offer 249 ¬).
at normal room lighting VERY STRONG noise and everything VERY blurred. include recordings in the building is free GOOD.
I can not understand the NV-GS27 in this price class anywhere sieger test has become!
I did it for me SonyDRC decision-HC24 and am completely satisfied.

so I can see the HC24 of Sonynur recommend.

gruss Thomas








Antwort von Markus73:

"Sequester" wrote:
Hello,
FINGER AWAY FROM THE NV-GS27!
[...]
I did it for me SonyDRC decision-HC24 and am completely satisfied.

so I can see the HC24 of Sonynur recommend.


The image with the noise in GS27 (probably had a few days here GS27), but it was my feeling is not very bad (= normal room lighting usable Picture, noise only when it was really dark) and for me it is not synonymous really understand why a Camera synonymous with everyday use in the dark to make good pictures, I sorge halt suitable for lighting, if necessary, and everything is good.

The Sonyhat to clear muddy colors, a really good picture, there's in this price range simply do not see
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/section/4/57/

And how sharp a picture can be seen only at the more expensive 3CCD devices.

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von Funnerl:

thank you:)

Mhmm, unfortunately, is the Panasonic NV s5180 eg not really better than the Nv gs27

at Sonydcr-hc24 missing me the Super Steady Shot feature .. hc17 at the turn as would ne about this alternative?



Antwort von Markus73:

"Funnerl" wrote:
thank you:)

Mhmm, unfortunately, is the Panasonic NV s5180 eg not really better than the Nv gs27


If you think the GS180: it is under warranty ORDER LENGTHS better, especially in terms of image sharpness is concerned! Only night shots, it creates no usable synonymous.

Quote:

at Sonydcr-hc24 missing me the Super Steady Shot feature .. hc17 at the turn as would ne about this alternative?


This is the stabilizer, is synonymous to the HC24, is the silver bullet but not synonymous, and off the Tripod use is the best solution.

An alternative for what you wrote above as you wish, but it is not.

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

"Funnerl" wrote:
at Sonydcr-hc24 missing me the Super Steady Shot feature .. hc17 at the turn as would ne about this alternative?


Has the 24er but (I hope synonymous You know what that means). And again:

What is so difficult to understand that the recording of images regardless of what a medium for simple light (as much of it) is necessary?

If a Digicam better cope in the dark, the s.Flash (light) or a longer exposure time (on video, unfortunately, not possible ... except for 1fps what no fun).



Antwort von Funnerl:

is so good, do not put me



Antwort von Sequester:

Take the Sony better, believe me.
you would yourself, if you buy the pana and later a comparative look very angry.

eifach comparative look at the data, both on the jewel. hompage Assessment.



Antwort von Markus73:

"Sequester" wrote:
Take the Sony better, believe me.

... and you come from bad to worse, both because the cameras do not deliver what is desired here.

Otherwise look better here:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/d/Reviews&level_b=Camcorders.htm

As you can see how "good" small Sony get away (if the product synonymous names in the United States often are slightly different).

Gruß,
Markus



Antwort von Jan:

The name stands for Quality Mark of the statements, I note.

Panasonic GS 37 ( baugleiche besserausgestattete GS 27)

SonyHC 23

Where is the 30 Lux Picture better? One could say equally poorly, I would like to know sometimes what the users of cheap beginner 250-300 ¬ expect .....

The Sony NightShot night program when motion is more effective than the night program of the Panasonics is true. But when Sony Should I hardly synonymous illuminate if there is still light. Even the Queen of the Night VX 2000 / 2100 come sometime synonymous with a certain light is no longer clear - without additional lighting.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus:

"Jan" wrote:
... sometimes I want to know what users of the low-cost entrants expect ¬ 250-300 ...

The question is rhetorical, not? ;-)))

"Jan" wrote:
The name stands for Quality Mark of the statements, I note.

This is of course good ... I'm looking for namesakes of the nick with my questions while I'm on production. ;-)

But honestly, I stumble over it because every time. Markus73 has a very similar response style and I always think "I have written?" :-)








Antwort von Axel:

"Jan" wrote:
Even the Queen of the Night VX 2000 / 2100 come sometime synonymous with a certain light is no longer clear - without additional lighting.


As the owner of the following situations, which I - of course, subjective - for more or less defensible opinion:

1. Interior shots in daylight without additional illumination: Only amateur / "documentary" - Light.
2. Interior in artificial (department store, train station, airport corridor):
Quite okay.
3.Echte night shots only when adequate lighting without strong light sources in the Picture ( "smear").

Everything else ( "Candlelight", turning into sparingly illuminated nightly suburbs etc.): Forget it, the Queen or not.

For myself, the luminous intensity ranks pretty far down on the ranking. Light should not be quantitatively assessed. How does the light that is important. And the control you need to make light.

I mean this as encouragement, not unilaterally on such criteria to stiffen. A 3 CCD Cam, regardless of the light, but provides for Lowlight the better colors. And this is important!



Antwort von Markus73:

"Mark" wrote:

"Jan" wrote:
The name stands for Quality Mark of the statements, I note.

This is of course good ... I'm looking for namesakes of the nick with my questions while I'm on production. ;-)

But honestly, I stumble over it because every time. Markus73 has a very similar response style and I always think "I have written?" :-)


Hello names colleague

given the position that you einnimmst here, I now just as a compliment ;-)

It is quite possible that you've influenced me a great deal of my knowledge I have of here from the forum, and which in turn is likely an important part of you come, thank you s.dieser place :-)

I am just amateurs, a few years ago with video / section been in contact since March'06 now intense, but with over 20 years of nursing background image. Therefore, I have perhaps a little higher quality than the mass and can be a good picture of a bad different.

At least I can confirm that it is about two separate people :-)

Best wishes from Munich,
Markus




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