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Privates Konzert Filmen mit 2 Kameras, aber wie?

Private concert shoot with two cameras, but how?



Frage von juergen78:
April 2010

Hello!

A friend has a regional tape and soon there is a presence in a small club, where should I shoot the (miniDV, DV-AVI). Now it is so, I have to 2 Cams and 2 Tripod available and would also like to try with two times to film cameras, but how?

I would have thought of me as: a camera so of half-right so about 10 feet off of the stage and locked to the tripod by simply running, done. In the other I am NICT me quite conclusive, either:

1st I've got the movies in the hand and thus always unterschiedlcihe thing of the tape (close-ups etc..)
or
2nd I then let the half left synonymous remain fixed on the tripod and then s.Tripod s.stativ but varies little time left, sometimes right and synonymous zoom in / out (musicians, instruments, etc..)

What do you think, it's like increasing sales or any other suggestions?
I have video deluxe 16 PLUS (CD version).

Thank you!
Juergen



Antwort von thos-berlin:

The second camera I would have passed, synonymous when the camera moves. Is easier for later synchronization.

take a camera on a tripod and shot can be synonymous right, as to do with the other something else, and although completely different images than the first.

In any case, a long shot and medium shot are synonymous with a small stage had borderline. So get s.das object.

Whether this is better from the tripod, or from the hand of depends on your tastes and experiences, as well as of the room acoustics.

If there is a second performance or a rehearsal, then you can do there other-recordings from other perspectives. Please tape the letters that are attracted to the same clothes, or you can record a maximum of hands and faces .....

Maybe in between synonymous filem times into the crowd. These cutaways do not subsequently s.der body shown s.der they belong in time. There are even pictures of the opening act, the announcement or a pause.

So please s.den sound. If the tape is mixed completely try to come s.einen direct recording from the mixer (maybe laptop). Since there is no atmosphere on it, which somehow synonymous should be included. It could, of rich sound from the fixed camera.

If not all instruments are mixed tape, the recording from the mixer is unusable. Then s.ggf. exterenne with microphones in the sound stage near aufnhemen.

Was already extensively discussed here.

PS One DV tape only runs 60 minutes (OK, about 62-63). The program should be structured so that you back time (during the break) to change bands you ....



Antwort von happythewicked:

A camera with a long shot s.besten, middle and high enough so that people can not let stand in front - go through. (Note image and use sturdy tripod - a bump against the Tripod is stupid, because it changed the image section ... EVLT Tripod yes you can do that with tape or glue them so ...)

The second camera you need a hand-held camera, so you can score well. Front in the "ditch" or just simply s.Rand the stage, so you can shoot what's interesting. Solis, close-ups, maybe you can even sometimes quickly flit across the stage and take up the drums and leave and go through and. This Camera also.

As you take on the sound?

If you have the camera with the long shots to the mixer (in the middle mostly) good, can you give an example with a different cable or an XLR sum of the mixer directly to the camera ... (Switch Mic signal to LINE, if you do that or can s.deiner Camera. With headphones you can control the signal and then depending on levels) White is not just the cameras you have.

Say you with the light from man so that he can give you a bit more light. Often the drummers are not lit very well. Have to stop looking in the first place. Maybe times during sound-check whether they can ask you turn on the Concert Lighting ...

Yes. And then for the cut so SIDN both cameras through. Maybe you can see that you s.Anfang the drummer with two cameras and then did well in the Picture if the with the sticks is the einzählt like a valve that you need to synchronize of Picture and tone.
Both video tracks one above, and then piecing you can sync the concert.

Have fun!

Way: You go to second and someone out in mid-shot swings back and forth and Zooms QUIET or so, so as synonymous still a bit of variety comes into the picture ...

Option 2: You go to second take it out and an external sound recording device with, cling to the the mixer, and her two films that are in front of the stage. A power Total images, makes a Details ...

Try a little bit;)
Hope you can order what to do.





Antwort von juergen78:

Hello! Wow, thanks for the fast times and very detailed responses.

As more questions have emerged:

There are two normal simple consumer miniDV camcorder that ever 300-400 EUR.

At issue here is the concert of a music school, and there appear three bands (each a brief hour) to show your parents what the quasi fg * pay *.

Since this is a rock concert with each three musicians (drums, electric guitar and singer with E-Bass) is per tape any sound running through the mixer and the leaves the record and then as I get the mp3 or something. The two cameras will record the audio so synonymous with so and so, I have to then look to see if / how I bring together the of the action with the mixer-output "keyword" Atmoshphäre "). I was told that during the concert the audience sits and is calm.

I hope the stage is enough distance, then I do not even start with the long shots as I with the mobile front herumhusche then ;-)

Juergen



Antwort von srone:

"Juergen78" wrote:

I hope the stage is enough distance, then I do not even start with the long shots as I with the mobile front herumhusche then ;-)


if you set up with the total intent and Get the visual edge (if the total of right left) internalize, is likely to be feasible.

lg

SRone



Antwort von KSProduction:

"Juergen78" wrote:
Hello!

A friend has a regional tape and soon there is a presence in a small club, where should I shoot the (miniDV, DV-AVI). Now it is so, I have to 2 Cams and 2 Tripod available and would also like to try with two times to film cameras, but how?

I would have thought of me as: a camera so of half-right so about 10 feet off of the stage and locked to the tripod by simply running, done. In the other I am NICT me quite conclusive, either:

1st I've got the movies in the hand and thus always unterschiedlcihe thing of the tape (close-ups etc..)
or
2nd I then let the half left synonymous remain fixed on the tripod and then s.Tripod s.stativ but varies little time left, sometimes right and synonymous zoom in / out (musicians, instruments, etc..)

What do you think, it's like increasing sales or any other suggestions?
I have video deluxe 16 PLUS (CD version).

Thank you!
Juergen



you can hardly tell how flat you make the s.besten or you positionierst. if you are alone you will with one of the two cams as total filming everything seems inescapable. but if you have an experienced filmmaker s.deiner page'd do differently ego. 1st total and pan / zooms second tripod with either man also of a different perspective. but I do not think very well. better it is the second is flexible and has the cam s.sich turn. makes far better overall results if you do so. And do not forget the nahaufnahmen the'll need for a good result



Antwort von juergen78:

Hello!

This version I would have become synonymous as a favorite, but after it there should be relatively small, I fear it but the variant with the two tripod is, so I'm not always in the fixed reinrenne Cam ".

Juergen



Antwort von KSProduction:

"Juergen78" wrote:
Hello!

This version I would have become synonymous as a favorite, but after it there should be relatively small, I fear it but the variant with the two tripod is, so I'm not always in the fixed reinrenne Cam ".

Juergen



hmmm since it would be safe if there would be a huge gallery with the second cam where you could shoot the top of beautiful :-) or at least something would be increased .... nice WE s.alle-klaus



Antwort von Klappe:

I would put both cameras next to each other. The one just something total, s.and times to change that setting the size. The second use of the tripod with close, great shots depending on how you wakelfrei rankommst. So you only have time both cameras under control. It can sometimes happen that easily. Tripod walking past the crazy shit from minimal and already sees. Total falls flat, and then you stand with zommenden, Ruckel zuckel Cam there.

I have a couple of concerts filmed in a similar constellation. Aesthetically, but this is certainly a question of operations on sensitive I find the "continuous" cutting edge of detail shots that come without a tripod because in a loose manner so on "dead" Total not synonymous really beautiful. Since then both would rather keep quiet rather Cams of the appeal. Always nice to adapt to the audience. Could be a slapstick synonymous number. The quietly stizende audience, the beginner musician, the nervous trembling knees and have therefore not getting anywhere, but there is still the hyperactive cameraman in front of the stage of the naturally synonymous films themselves. No, I would not do.



Antwort von juergen78:

;-) Thanks for the overcast with the slapstick number, could really be something like that, there it should be closely ;-)

"Flap" wrote:
I would put both cameras next to each other. The one just something total, s.and times to change that setting the size. The second use of the tripod with close, great shots depending on how you wakelfrei rankommst.


If these two cams now but one diagonally left and the other diagonally are right, the picture for the "aesthetics" or a Probelm goes in the operation? I'm taking a couple of other amateur film-maker is more than I, -)

Juergen



Antwort von Klappe:

Nee, so sweeping a say of course not. It is indeed a strong bearing on the premises. I thought, why always synonymous, you are alone s.Shooting. So your films in active during the concert?

I personally like this one is far left and far right, not an aesthetic Sun Can one make of course. Is not punishable. I think at least.
Should change their both Shooting and synonymous of amateur filmmakers shot size and rotate not only the long shot, then the next to each other are at the advantage that you can just look at the LCD of the other, for speaking Is it so often too loud, and we accordingly others may choose to appropriate settings.
If not rare that for suddenly both depend on the guitar solos and not liquid after it enters the next setting. Already one has a problem in the cut. Just when announcements. Good time to try something new just around times. Thinking, of course, both next and so ... when you just is not a team you need either clear agreements (BEi Anssagen are you moving on and do not use, etc.) or even any contact so you will notice what the other does. Everything else, I think only once for not so important. Whether the camera next one meter left or right, or anywhere else is ... Well ... As long as everyone is seated and the people you do not stand in front of Lens. Forgot your audience is not, however, usually too dark for such cameras and quiet times in a quiet minutes intercut shooting, some lights or something ... so what you have to patch, because it is stuck somewhere in the cut in such stories from time to time.



Antwort von juergen78:

So it is just the one cam of me and the other is of him and we have the grad times as agreed, that his remains s.stativ and running .. finished. and I do with my .. what else ;-)

juergen



Antwort von Klappe:

Okay, I have been so for two s.dem evening. I lower myself to you to recommend a good agreement. On Tripod does not shot or do you?

If he makes the shot, then a medium shot times s.and synonymous, just two musicians in the Picture. My experiences are that much is possible at concerts, axle cracks, etc. But somehow does not look good is if you have two cameras and the totally different in behavior. A very quiet and a nervous hand-held camera. Just a really bad close-ups of the hand and the other is always a long shot and the same. Sounds good at first, but does not look good.
If you really want to shoot from his hand, then attitude keep looking 40-10 seconds and the next, etc.

Wise it would be synonymous when it builds its own Stereo Micro to get atmosphere. Pure FOH Mixer recordings have not a good mix and sound too dead to be seen for the Picture. No good mixture because the mixer so synonymous throughout the directly sound of the stage and has the includes in its mix. Usually means, singing is too loud.

Could you write so much.



Antwort von juergen78:

So I would have thought so me ..

ER: Cam on Tripod .. makes mostly run total (can be) and I got my cam by the way, depending on room size or closer next synonymous to Tripod and do anything but, so zoom in instruments, musician, possibly public (whichever looks like ;-)) etc. .


juergen



Antwort von Klappe:

You can of course go through synonymous. Is really simple to synchronize with.

Just look how big it is and I would recommend you continue quiet times, the two cameras are parallel and relatively central location and sample times for how far you get with your zoom and ran as far as he comes into the shot. For the first time do so and if the good performance in coordination work, then you can always change the position yet. Are not you so nailed.
Would retain only a very basic idea in mind that you paste your picture with a calm shot together and have everything that happens in context. Quiet library, quiet camera, etc.

I wish you much success and fun twist.




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