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Problem!! - Filmen mit 4 Camcordern unterschiedlicher Formate (Hi8 und HDV)

Problem! - Shooting with 4 different format camcorders (HDV and Hi8)



Frage von nicecam:
Dezember 2007

Hello, I am John - fresh grad registered in the forum.

Well, s.Heiligen evening I still need your help urgently.

Previously, I would just say THANK YOU to Slashcam and all people here in the forum of their articles, tests, opinions and suggestions when I am reading in the past few months have benefited a lot in making decisions about my new camcorder. I chose the Canon HV20 decided. A great camera - the strengths and weaknesses so I had previously known - but even that sometimes cumbersome set on the menus is synonymous in my sometimes hectic recording situations become relatively easy of the hand. - And the picture quality! Even in absolute Lowlight (evening shooting at a Christmas event), I see mostly kenerlei Noise. The tip on:

http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Tips/ Canon HV20 image parameter professionally-kontrollieren.html

I needed not apply, because then the images would be too dark but advised.

Maybe I can share my experience with the HV20 something soon announce details.

But now to my problem:
I am a few days ago have been asked, the theatrical performance of a very enthusiastic amateur drama group over Christmas to film.
I will be filmed with 4 cameras (2 separate borrowed and 2) to connect good cuts to make

Problem No. 1:
I am the only one cameraman. Well, then Camera 1 links posted of the stage, right Camera 2, Camera 3 is synonymous to the right and keeps the audience, and I film the back of actively with my Canon HV20. Synchronizes the four cameras using photo flash before the 1st and 2nd act (during the break must be dei cassettes).

Problem No. 2: - and now it's complicated --
My main camera is HDV, the only other Hi 8th But more is not there.
My question is: What level of quality movies with the HV20, I and in what format? 16:9 HDV or DV 4:3? I would of course possible in HDV filming.
Now you can, but my old Hi8 camera, with which I recently filmed (SonyVX1E - 3CCD and 14 years ago when most of the Introduction dream every amateur video) is only 4:3. The aim Puplikum but only the record, since it no longer makes such good pictures (in Schlieren Picture and failure of some pixels). Consequently, the images of her in the finished film does not so often to be seen, and when we could cut, if I decide to 16:9, black bars top and bottom insert.
The two borrowed camcorder are fairly similar:

Sony CCD-TRV 238E AND Sony CCD-TRV 59E

And Warning: This may also 4:3 synonymous Cinema in 16:9 mode (then just black bars are inserted, and that is probably nonsense, because I can do better in the editing software.
In addition, it dominate the so-called 16:9 FULL. But what is it? True 16:9? I have no clarity. When viewing 4:3 on my 37er, I see Television in full 16:9 image no profit, the picture is stretched horizontally only.
On the other hand, I see the profit picture in my HV20 when switching of DV recording format 4:3 and 16:9 DV or HDV 16:9 immediately.

So you see, I have already thought, but some is left open until now.

My questions is summarized again:

I 16:9 movies? Maybe someone knows of you so the two Sony camcorders Sony CCD-TRV 238E AND Sony CCD-TRV 59E and can tell me whether you can truly 16:9. I could not synonymous nor extensively tested, because to me they are not always available.

Or I take the precaution of movies in 4:3? And, unfortunately, had to give away my HV20 quality.

In any case, I will show s.allen 3 days filming.

The recordings of the Hi8 cameras will be on my way, analog / digital converter Canopus ADVC-300 digitized.

My Video Editing Software Magix VDL Pros 2007

Sun, and now I wish to thank all that I've been following along.
Maybe I would have these issues but to make yesterday, because yesterday was the dress rehearsal, and emerged as the 16:9 / 4:3-problem. But after 4 hours of rehearsal and a subsequent drink, I was physically and mentally no longer capable of such highly complex text, such as



Antwort von bachler:

äääähhh ...



Antwort von bachler:

Well, with 3 Hi8 stop you sauf sowieso irgendwie ab ...

The only option now is just more everything in 4:3 on your HV20 shooting and you should probably synonymous same in DV mode.

This is of course if you like with 3 scooters and a Ferrari in the Berlin-Munich convoy traveling ... because the Ferrari is synonymous halt must drive slower than normal ...

Therefore my tip, as mentioned above:
3x 4:3 which is really synonymous and synonymous really hinhaut a uniform picture delivers.

Merry Christmas ...








Antwort von bachler:

And aja, hab ich grad forget: The 3 Hi8, I would do the rear, center left and center right and assemble the HV20, I would for the close-ups (they are the salt in the soup) in front just s.der stage use.

In addition, you should still sound good on the care I recommend for such theatrical productions at least 2 Kondensatormics on stage.



Antwort von Martin Dienert:

Hello nicecam,

since today evening s.Heiligen perhaps not so many pros here, I would look as an absolute layman to get rid of a few experiences.

I was about 7 years before a Christmas singing in a church filmed. It was naturally quite dark. I was a Hi8 and a DV camera available. By Hi8, I have the entire altar area, where the singer was, of rear filmed. The camera stood on a tripod. With the DV camera, I have individual shots of different locations from the hand made. From ignorance, I have both of course, cameras are not synchronized. For me the sound was no technology available.
The biggest problem with the post was synonymous of the sound. I had no end filters for a halfway acceptable sound style. Also, the quality difference between Hi8 and DV is not to be underestimated.
S.der The positive thing was the final consumer, the community members, the film have been well received. The normal consumer TV was maybe 7 years of digital television is not as spoiled. Many accept a low quality if the content of the film for them is important.

What would I do differently today, absolutely:
1. The extra sound recording, s.besten of someone else sees something like this.
2. The Hi8 analog signals directly on the spot digitizer. This improves the quality once again as the intermediate step tape recording is missing.
3. The cameras sync (flash).
4. Cameramen (no pros) win. It helps if you cut enough material from different angles has.

Quote:
Now you can, but my old Hi8 camera, ... only 4:3. The aim, however, only the Puplikum record ... and when we could cut, if I decide to 16:9, black bars top and bottom insert.

Small mistake. If you have a camera with film in 4:3, 16:9, but the project is, you must either s.den sides (left and right) or add black borders on 4:3 picture above and below a little off and the rest of vertical stretch. It looks like the other two cameras with 16:9 Full of (amorphous). If you top and bottom cut off something you have already set up the camera (picture) observed.

Quote:
In addition, it dominate the so-called 16:9 FULL. But what is it? True 16:9?

Yes. A 16:9 TV stretches the picture horizontally then, would have a 4:3 TV above and below black bar insert, vertical side of So.

Quote:
I 16:9 movies?

Difficult question. Have the potential end users of the film rather 4:3 or 16:9 Television?

- Your old Hi8 camera filming in 4:3 and when cut to 16:9 zurechtgestutzt.
- The Sony film in full 16:9. (possibly the same spot digitizer, the tape can run to safety)
- With the HV20 in HDV and 16:9 record for scaling the project down. So did you at least for some of you HD recording.

As I said only the opinion of a layman.

I wish blessed Christmas and a good success.

Martin



Antwort von bluznvideo:

I would with the HV20 to film in the best condition, in HDV,
and a maximum of only a Hi8 to ... the material you will anyway
hardly use it.
lend you rather have a mini dv and out and do so
some close-ups during the whole of the HV20
stagelike filming. in the resolution, you can hire synonymous extracts
take.
gruß cj



Antwort von louisdor:

Hello and thanks s.alle, yesterday already so quickly and some detail to my question replied. Some advice I will certainly heed. I will probably tonight more detail on your ideas, because to me the usual lack of time.

John



Antwort von louisdor:

Good morning!

I am now a bit closer to your response.
The best of the series after.

"Guest" wrote:
äääähhh ...


okay, it is probably really Hiiiilllfffäääää hhh ... ;-)
In any case, it is not Pu likums p! When the time was not a Freudian slip. Fortunately hears and sees the Pu b likums him not.

But now with your suggestions:

"Guest" wrote:
The only option now is just more everything in 4:3 on your HV20 shooting and you should probably synonymous same in DV mode.


and

"Martin Dienert" wrote:
- Your old Hi8 camera filming in 4:3 and when cut to 16:9 zurechtgestutzt.
- The Sony film in full 16:9. (possibly the same spot digitizer, the tape can run to safety)
- With the HV20 in HDV and 16:9 record for scaling the project down. So did you at least for some of you HD recording.


2 different opinions, probably both have their permission. Similarly, I had already thought synonymous. Since I do filme s.drei days, I will maybe 2 times in a 16:9 twist (Martin, I leave myself to your statement that "16:9 Full" is truly 16:9) and 1mal in 4:3.

"Martin Dienert" wrote:
2. The Hi8 analog signals directly on the spot digitizer. This improves the quality once again as the intermediate step tape recording is missing.

... preferably right on the spot digitizer, the tape can run to safety)


The on-site digitization proposes even 2 flies with one stone: it serves one of the quality and on the other side would be the capturing done. Because I have only today of just under 8 hours of film material.

But then I would need for the 3 Hi8 cameras have 3 A / D converter (I'm glad that I did) - then maybe 3 MiniDV camcorder.
Furthermore, I care 4 notebooks, because of stress, I can no longer do.
As I said: 1mal HDV Hi8 and 3 times, this was no longer there.

"Guest" wrote:
And aja, hab ich grad forget: The 3 Hi8, I would do the rear, center left and center right and assemble the HV20, I would for the close-ups (they are the salt in the soup) in front just s.der stage use.


and

"Guest" wrote:
lend you rather have a mini dv and out and do so
some close-ups during the whole of the HV20
stagelike filming. in the resolution, you can hire synonymous extracts
take.


Again 2 different opinions. The theater room is not so great. More town hall, but with complete stage technology. Therefore, I would like with my HV20 rear of filming. I come close enough happening and ran to the can so synonymous detail shots.

"Guest" wrote:
In addition, you should still sound good on the care I recommend for such theatrical productions at least 2 Kondensatormics on stage.


and

"Martin Dienert" wrote:
What would I do differently today, absolutely:
1. The extra sound recording, s.besten of someone else sees something like this.


About the good sound synonymous, we thought.
Sound and light are of a professional kontolliert, but only partially made. Above the stage hang his 2 or 3 mics. In addition, he monitors. The mixer is part of the theater. My idea was that he sent me the audio signal from the mixer s.meine HV20 delivers. He said, however, that the console is not so good and I was then with an acoustic feedback would have to fight.
Next thought: My Rode stereo microphone in his Videomic on the stage to place. Since I am no angel but he did and with his reputation for safety in his technical



Antwort von nicecam:

Again the Johannes ...

funny - with the login / logout, I still seem to have problems ...

Perhaps the stress?



Antwort von Markus:

"nicecam" wrote:
Problem No. 1: I am the only one cameraman.

Hi John,

Stage lighting is often very uneven. Do you want the other camcorder (especially the Doors) really automatics on their individual and can thus Hotspots (white faces) to provoke? Or is the once and the light stays always exactly the same (it is very unlikely!)?

More information in the course of this contribution:





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