Infoseite // Quality problems with Studio 12 - HD output



Frage von digi_shooter:


Hello,
I'm quite new here and greet first of all!

Since the Pinnacle me with support in many but useless answers hinhält, I wanted to make me hiermal smart and looking for help.

I have both with Pinnacle Studio 10.8 Pros and Pros Studio 12 with the problem that the video displayed a visibly poorer quality than the input material.
Now please no hints towards codecs - so I know quite well and have all settings durchprobiert. Among other things synonymous MJPG, DV, and various loss-free spending, always with appropriate resolutions and bitrates.
The input material is 1280x720, 30fps. Very clear and sharp images. After the issue to see a closer look at the pretty verpixelt, especially edges, contrasts s.denen harder to see.
That is so unacceptable, but Pinnacle advertises with cutting of native HD material and unprecedented quality. I think the most important, what can such a program should be to improve the quality of the material that was recorded. Then a swift handling and then come the hundreds of effects, which nobody needs and in almost no reasonable fit video.

As a comparison, I have the same encoder with VirtualDub tested, the results were flawless. In accordance with high bitrates (the original material has at least 8MB), you can not be identified. So my assumption is based, that the loss of quality in the studio is taking place, because obviously with other internal Resolutions are used to transfer and then again s.den Encoder is scaled to 1280x720.
I would be glad if someone could confirm, or better yet, a work-around would call for the end.

Many greetings

Space


Antwort von Bruno Peter:

You're using 1280x720 images, but betray not setting your project!

If you have a 720x576 PAL Project have established, then the studio is still a problem with it. But there is a temporary workaround, I have to write something of my HP. The solutions can be found in the synonymous Pinnacle Forum!

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

Project setting are 1280x720 @ 30fps. That it is not.
Even with the full resolution preview looks perfect. Only the result after rendering is as described in the Annexes to see more modest. While it is good and at least DVD quality, but not HD quality. And there are worlds zwsichen. Especially when playing on larger plasma or LCD displays this fall in weight.

Regards

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

Hello Bruno,

There is only one solution for projects that are not considered HD nature or synonymous issue for my problem?

How, then, are your experiences with the HD / SD output quality? Gladly you can take a 100% crop from a Screenshot of the original and Ergenis post here that I would be very interested.

Otherwise would be synonymous to a link of the solutions you mentioned is very helpful.

Thank you,
MFG

Space


Antwort von Bruno Peter:

The link is already up in the signature ...

The simplest solution is in batch mode images with a freeware image editing program on the project size to scale ...

You have to work now, you have a problem ...

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

Mh, the link will take is not much, since only the main branch ... no preference. Your articles about the studio is actually read as if you were at Avid or Pinnacle to work .... that this software has a lot of errors and the support does not deserve this name, it should perhaps again be synonymous, although one which is different in 1000 Postings can read.

Nevertheless, many thanks for the help.

What should I do with images? I want to edit video and speak only about the video output HD-quality. Sorry if I have spoken of images. If I were a video in the Still Image regard, it is just a picture :-). I said but not the importing of photos.

Mittlweile I have a work-around is found, which visibly improves the quality and this bug in the studio can handle.
Interesting that this bug already in the 10s version was included, and none of the updates is resolved. Thus, he has probably synonymous with the 11er to 12er version looped through.

Possibly could be intended to be of the more expensive products a little off.

Regards

Space


Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Schreibst Schmarri ...

1. Only on the main branches: there are but a menu where you can find a review on S12 and exactly synonymous one point to your topic ...
2. Your articles about the studio is actually read as if you were at Avid or Pinnacle work ....: no, I'm independent and belong to synonymous None of party or sect
3. Possibly could be intended to be of the more expensive products a little off: Oberschmarri

Servus!

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

"Bruno Peter" wrote: Schreibst Schmarri ...

1. Only on the main branches: there are but a menu where you can find a review on S12 and exactly synonymous one point to your topic ...
2. Your articles about the studio is actually read as if you were at Avid or Pinnacle work ....: no, I'm independent and belong to synonymous None of party or sect
3. Possibly could be intended to be of the more expensive products a little off: Oberschmarri


Well, I can view the error functions, particularly because of the quality loss when not in HD greznenlose craze is in ruins and write articles to be included in a promotional flyer would fit.

The experience report on S12, I can not find anything about, unfortunately. Under what title is this supposed to be found? Meanwhile, it would be synonymous less labor, if you simply would post the solution.
But a workaround, I know. And all of Pinnacle wants to know nothing and could respond with stupid instructions for drawing of videos. All responses from support, there are mittlweilse 6 to this subject, are completely worthless and nonsensical. Because I get the impression that
1. The Suppot is not capable of the problem at all to understand
2. we know of this problem, it will not solve abr.

And then I would be back at the proposed restriction, so you could install without the description of the data sheet for the program would be wrong ( "HD-capable", it is synonymous, if the quality of the generated videos that would be worse ...)
Anders, I can not explain why ungerendertes material in lower quality output than the input material.

Incidentally, I know enough examples that one might describe as Scharrn would, but for the marketing strategy so.

Space


Antwort von immanuelkant:

Hello,

I cut with PS11 HDV - video 1080i/50 without any loss. The only finding synonymous when the fact is certainly not your problem.

Space



Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

"immanuelkant" wrote: Hello,

I cut with PS11 HDV - video 1080i/50 without any loss. The only finding synonymous when the fact is certainly not your problem.


Ok, Thanks for the hint. If in any case important to read that it works. Do you have time because the results are 100% Crop viewed and compared (see photos above)?
Consult you have any filter or effects on?
It could be synonymous, that when HDV internal material is slightly different. Although I do not think I use it synonymous an HDV-like metaformat to cut. The above-described loss of quality occurs for me both in 10.8 as synonymous in the 12er version. And synonymous to different computers, both under Vista as under XP synonymous.

Apart of the two score that
1. The output quality is diminished (as shown above)
2. The AVCHD files Exilim Pro F1 can not be read

... is the 12 version would be very nice. So far very stable (Vista Pro, SP1), some new, "nicer" interface (as 10.8), faster. Is my impression at least, also compared with the 10.8er.

Regards

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

"Bruno Peter" wrote: Schreibst Schmarri ...

1. Only on the main branches: there are but a menu where you can find a review on S12 and exactly synonymous one point to your topic ...
2. Your articles about the studio is actually read as if you were at Avid or Pinnacle work ....: no, I'm independent and belong to synonymous None of party or sect
3. Possibly could be intended to be of the more expensive products a little off: Oberschmarri

Servus!


Hello,
I have once again on your homepage and seen, I can on this issue, unfortunately, nothing found. Perhaps the only, indication that the import of images is not always best with Resolutiongeschieht. But that is not.
I'm not quite sure whether it really any notice. The difference between the original movie and is not huge. I can enter it on a 40 "tv very well recognize.
The images above have been added, 100% clips of still images.

Greetings & Thanks for any hint

Space


Antwort von immanuelkant:

"digi_shooter" wrote: Consult you have any filter or effects on?
It could be synonymous, that when HDV internal material is slightly different. ...


Well, basically, I work only with transitions and speed changes, rarely more.

The fact that transitions recalculated at the picture (but only in the newly calculated material) worsened, I had quite s.Anfang (new rendered movie parts were generally lighter and softer than the 'rest' of the film). But it was s.der graphics card, which I then have exchanged synonymous.

Whether this is possibly synonymous with Thee s.der graphics card is, yes you can test times, if you have the hardware support and GPU test off times and then re-render it. Then came to me then no more of a deterioration in quality, so I use the "culprit" was able to identify. What graphics card do you use it?

What Your conjecture is concerned, that was actually my first thought: the HDV workflow but agree with your format is perhaps a little getrixt?

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

The reference with the graphics card is good, they thought I had already synonymous. That was just not yet tested, because it is on two different computers occurred. This includes of course not exclude that it is s.den GraKas.
Strangely, all rendered scenes in very good quality output ungerendertes material leads to the dagstellten "Verpixelung". This is an output when playing videos noticed during transitions such as fades at once so the quality was what I had expected. If I like an empty title in the overlay track set, everything is in the best quality output. This is a possible work-around, if somewhat cumbersome synonymous. Especially if the overlay track really needed.
Document times the graphics card-support disable or synonymous times to change the settings.

Danke schon mal für den Hinweis.

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

@ Immanuel Kant:

except for the settings for the preview, I think in terms of hardware acceleration nothing. they have voted synonymous times - brings nothing. There are still other options, there is something where you could move?

I would you like to go a very small film extracts give to see whether it is synonymous with you such a loss there.

does it somehow?

regards,
and thank

Space


Antwort von immanuelkant:

"digi_shooter" wrote: @ immanuelkant:

except for the settings for the preview, I think in terms of hardware acceleration nothing. synonymous these times have voted ....
regards,
and thank


s.rechner am not now, so from the Einnerung: at Studio 11's "Project Properties". There is a tab where you can adjust synonymous whether Hintergrundrendern etc. should be active. Times I think that as Page on the left then the hardware support was switched off ...

see you later!

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

Hi,

and Page on the left are the settings for the preview. There you can activate the hardware support. But whether the preview settings affect the quality of the output file has .... would be strange aberwer know exactly because of what the GPU is used.

Regards

Space


Antwort von immanuelkant:

"digi_shooter" wrote: Hi,

and Page on the left are the settings for the preview. There you can activate the hardware support. But whether the preview settings affect the quality of the output file has .... would be strange aberwer know exactly because of what the GPU is used.

Regards


True! The checkmark is indeed the "Preview" (I had not noticed). This was for me but for the old graphics card is definitely an impact on the newly rendernden pieces.

Mmmh, because when you bring no change (synonymous because you have a NEW project created to test?), It's probably because not lie.

Perhaps a problem of the specific editing of your video format?

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

Thank you for your assistance. To be sure: you can not degrading the quality of note, as the attached 100% Crops show?

Then it would be very helpful for me when I'll take a snippet from a scene could send, only 1.5 mb. enough to make it to test whether it is synonymous with you then occurs. it is 1280x720, 30fps material.

Regards

Space



Space


Antwort von dominator-video:

Perhaps you simply buy a different editing software. Or go to your seller. Software has certainly not claim to be error-free and also it must be so synonymous nor a reason for Studio 13 Type. These cheap products and hobby cutters already have the market power to wiggle brought. 10 years ago has a Media Composer still cost DM 500,000 and the daily rates were synonymous in order. Today I can with my iPhone a film cut.
So for $ 100 you can not really expect much. The free support but I think class. Perhaps the guys but synonymous times a bill for your support to write! :-)

Space


Antwort von immanuelkant:

@ digi_shooter
yes kanste send me the material. I look it to me synonymous with pleasure. Only I did not want my e-mail address to post ;-)

@ Dominator-video
nee, lass mal good, at least for the HDV, I am with Pinnacle Studio 11 totally satisfied. Am even of LiquidEdt. "downgegradet" because of the simple average of HDV material with Pinnacle Studio did it much faster. Also in relation to AVCHD editing is very good tool. So no reason to Totalverriss of HP or any other 100-EUR-cutting programs.
But clearly there is * no * professional tool. But the need here, most not synonymous!

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

@ Dominator-video
I agree in principle. Only I do not see that money to pay for support when it comes to software errors. and if the support of paying for quality is not better than the free, then I would not even prepared to 1 euro to pay.

who pays me because this spielchen all the hours that I search with the error-Shuttle, for which I am not at all responsible?
I know software developers as well that there is no error-free software there. and that it is almost impossible to make all the configurations on open platforms to be considered. When it comes times but the problem lies, I already expect that you are accepting the problem and no answer larifari sends to me to employ.

I voted for the update package 49, - Euro with shipping paid, which is measured s.dem what can you do with it, a joke. Nevertheless, we must expect a degree of functionality, but it will be advertised in such detail. Synonymous, I think that this tool is ready to do so. That shows so synonymous dieTatsache that with the work-around is already.

I am even more amazed about what we today with relatively little money can do, especially for the video and finishing. we can now clearly with under 700 euro a HD movie to create, with the quality of this time not even of the broadcasters is offered. I was already Bzgl of the uncut material quality of the reproduction on a hd-tv totally thrilled.
this then I would gladly synonymous in the cut material as experience.

Space


Antwort von digi_shooter:

??

Space


Antwort von immanuelkant:

@ digi_shooter
... have mail!

Space





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