Frage von Axel:
Yesterday we had a rotation in a club, I with a colleague with his brand new FX1, I with the VX2000. I have his tapes not on my calculator, he has recorded in DV mode. But after what can guess the monitor, there are as synonymous with impossible light conditions hardly noise, at least not more than me. The light should be a weakness of the minus points? By what standard is it compared to here? I found the pictures very, very good.
Regarding the earlier posts (criticism s.dem inaccurate viewfinder, my own s.der 1080i recording in HDV, and the very faintness), I put here for the umpteenth time the question: Why not? Why you should buy a DV-camera today, unless a (very second hand, and therefore very cheap) beginner model?
Next question:
Somewhere an HD Cam with a better price-performance ratio in sight?
Although the Panasonic HVX200 is viewed in the "cameraman" as "under 10 000 ¬", one can assume that they will get within the year for 6000? The "cameraman" yes, the estimated synonymous HDRFX1 as "under 5000 ¬.
The beauty s.diesem Forum is the bandwidth s.Aspekten is celebrated synonymous where the tight budget of many participants. My questions are not rhetorical. So please, people, stoking my doubts, I can sleep better!
Axel Schreiter-AT-t-online.de
Antwort von Wiro:
404ERR
Antwort von MarkusH:
Keep in touch!
Got my FX1 synonymous in nre "Disco" and am trying gekomen on it, that you can treat the Picture s.LCD in the FX1 as generally interpreted too bright! Even if you scale back the brightness s.LCD!
Trotzedm, with so little nice features such as "Spotlight" and the good resolution, I got out a nettse WebVideo for the HP. (There are a few stop error cut inside, only 3 months since I cut ....)
If you are interested:
http://student.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~mhoeckner/gei/ We have taken a few extra darker images to build ne "gloomy" mood ... probably still needs to learn a lot ....
Incidentally, the pictures were made with automatic settings! The next time I try the manual range ...
LG
markus.hoeckner-IN-sbg.ac.at
Antwort von wolfgang:
So I had made myself the trouble of playing time in the showroom of the FX1 to Sonywith - and there was in addition to an HD camcorder, PC-connected TV. The cited lower Resolutionbei less light, I have not seen for synonymous, I was aware of the darker times filmed in parts of the room. Even without having the FX1, but the worst lowlight behavior is nevertheless a Resolutionvon approximately 4.5 MHz, which is quite good. Even a grieseln is not really struck me (although, since I am always a little cautious filter. Sowas Modern TVs with digital comb filters indeed very effective way).
video treffpunkt-IN-aon.at
Antwort von Axel:
:-AT-Axel again
: Obviously, you are indeed now finished with your film - cut with Final Cut Pro
If I have understood correctly. How siehts for now in the final version out?
: If we make any difference if umgeschnitten of the VX is on the FX?
If so, which ones? And how exactly do you have to look back to see them too?
: Greeting Wiro
No, Mark has a link to his demo. We capture earlier Tuesday. Comparison of quite fair does not get any because I have obviously taken with 16:9 mode and bruised pixels (which is about 20% Resolutionkostet) and my colleague, stop with the 16:9 chip. We could start in reverse 4:3 and were then able to cut the side of the FX shots, but we have not. Now we have perhaps the problem that we need to not hinzukriegen one-anamorphic Webfilmchen, runterskalieren addition both pickups with 4:3 Letterbox, or someone knows an alternative?
Axel Schreiter-AT-t-online.de
Antwort von Wiro:
-AT-Axel again
Obviously, you are indeed now finished with your film - cut with Final Cut Pro, if I understood correctly. How siehts for now in the final version out? If we make any difference if umgeschnitten of the VX is on the FX? If so, which ones? And how exactly do you have to look back to see them too?
Greeting Wiro
Antwort von MarkusH:
:-AT-Markush: But one more question: Even our Discofilm is possibly the web. As
: I prevent that the 16:9 - Material anamorphic distortion comes along? I
: Export as Quicktime from Final Cut Pro and use cleaner to create a wmv to.
Final Cut does not know me from ,....
We have it easy with the camera + HD recorded Converter (16:9 -> 4:3), sliced and then exported as a WMV!
Has gone quite well ...
It is important to stop that, you set the converter to the camera, but if your friend so and so is filming in DV (4:3), is the so and so damn!
That with the noise at the DJ is to me synonymous noticed, but it got left inside ... was ne "Gratisproduktion" and a test ...* g *
When you've finished your video, you can then send me nen Link? I'd be interested!
markus.hoeckner-IN-sbg.ac.at LG
Markush
markus.hoeckner-IN-sbg.ac.at
Antwort von Axel:
Markush-IN:
But yet another question: Even our Discofilm is possibly the web. How do I prevent that the 16:9 - Material anamorphic distortion comes along? I export as Quicktime from Final Cut Pro and use cleaner to create a wmv to.
Axel Schreiter-AT-t-online.de
Antwort von Axel:
: Once again the link: http://student.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~mhoeckner/gei/
: Notice as before: I have taken a few extra darker scenes + automatic
: Settings for the Camera!
If the DJ you can see even gain a little noise, but you mentioned that you worked with automatics, and anything less would have been. One way or another such recording is useless. The point is that the intensity is obviously unsatisfactory to good. The blur in the red light has to know (always without the VX2100 to be synonymous), and the auto focus (was it?) Is not synonymous pumping in bad light. When it comes to the performance of the camera, I really wonder what there is to complain here.
Axel Schreiter-AT-t-online.de
Antwort von MarkusH:
"The lowlight of VX2000/2100 behavior is in no way inferior because it is the same
: Location much less or no rushing! "
:
: ---
:
: Hi everyone,
:
: The noise is not the only aspect of a lowlight recording. How about with the
: Light intensity from? And please, no standard Comparison with the VX2000/2100! The VX2100
: As the successor of the VX2000 is much brighter.
:
: Love greetings
Markus
Servus namesake! * G *
I personally, as if entry in the genre, the Lichstärke the FX1 is assessed as adequate to good. Is not it madness, but it just enough for 95% of all recordings.
My previous link points to a video. Can you even look at mla! FYI: in there, it is dark as in ner ... tomb was really remember! But went very well and was partially surprised! But please do not watch the cut! Only the pictures! ...
Again the link:
http://student.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~mhoeckner/gei/ Note as before: I have taken a few extra darker scenes + automatic settings for the Camera!
LG
Markush
markus.hoeckner-IN-sbg.ac.at
Antwort von Markus:
"The lowlight of VX2000/2100 behavior is in no way inferior because it is at the same location much less or no rushing!"
---
Hi All,
the noise is not the only aspect of a lowlight recording. How it looks with the light intensity? And please, no standard Comparison with the VX2000/2100! The VX2100 is the successor of the VX2000 significantly brighter.
Love Greetings
Markus
Antwort von Axel:
: Moin,
Why, please?
: Greetings
Ulrich
Hi Ulrich,
for me that is synonymous very interesting. This MAY Television probably walk in progressive, but since he is so synonymous 1080i, well ...
Last week I've ever wondered whether it could be that mess plasma TVs original interlaced material and REASON in the media markets, the plasma pictures always look worse than in the tubes. So that you can save the search function: A 720p picture makes a plasma YUV to focus on miracles. What would happen if your camera would be connected s.einen plasma? In the not too distant future there will be players, play the HDV footage to DVDs in 720p. This will be the consumer sector. Blu-Ray, IF it happens, the storage media for professionals. Because of the lower compression of the TV stations send their HDTV will be largely in this format. If Toshiba could be reached with the consortium could, tomorrow, HD-DVD players at reasonable prices in the shops are. Interlaced is therefore definitely not announced.
I will not denigrate the FX1. I only wonder what the heck do I do as a future owner with my old 1080i, when the hype goes in the direction of plasma?
Axel Schreiter-AT-t-online.de
Antwort von Ulrich:
: Have been connected to 'my FX1 s.ein such a device and was
: - In Comparison to an "HD ready" LCD TV - pretty disappointed.
Moin,
Why, please?
Greeting
Ulrich
MDLLemuria-AT-aol.com
Antwort von Ulrich:
I'm no longer sure whether I got your JVC demonstrated, could
Have: been synonymous of Samsung.
Hello Alvaro,
bn then I calmed down and my dealer is right. And speaking of the new price of Samsung, April 2005. According to my dealer has the Samsung convergence and geometry errors. The JVC has been around longer. I had googled before the purchase, of course, and accordingly found positive postings. The Picture of the JVC, I have not seen, only if it is delivered. A Blindkauf so. I will report here.
-AT-720P
We have seen material of the FX1 on a Saturday 720s Sharp, clean, flawless, convincing, except for the error of the Sharp, which had one black purple cast. Friday he was still working, since Black was synonymous black. Nevertheless, the pictures were excellent FX1.
-AT-LowLight
I have one of the last VX2000 were produced. They told me of two independent sites, which would be the last models already have the technology of the VX2100. This would confirm my shots, they were simply too good. Thus it was thought.
Gruß Ulrich
MDLLemuria-AT-aol.com
Antwort von Alvaro:
Dear Ulrich!
I am no longer sure whether I got your JVC demonstrated, could have been synonymous of Samsung.
It had come in any case an HD tube TV quite new to the market for 995 euros.
After I had tried my FX1 s.verschiedenen LCD televisions, showed me the seller at Saturn in Graz, the above device. The device was shown of the Resolutionher somehow blurred. He lacked any brilliance.
My problem after a good while HDV playback capability as TV could not solve so far. The LCD Television brings a fantastic HDV Picture, but the TV-Programe play in indisputable quality.
I'm still looking ...
mfG
Alvaro
Antwort von Alvaro:
"Now I'm waiting for my HD Tube Television of JVC HV-32P40BJ"
Have my FX1 s.ein such a device had been plugged and
- In Comparison to an "HD ready" LCD TV - pretty disappointed.
mfG
Alvar0
Antwort von Ulrich:
Moin zusammen,
today we had to do in Gelsenkirchen, in spite of brilliant weather, nothing better than to look of the FX1 HDV on a Sharp plasma. In addition to my outpourings of my recent Canada trip, there were aerial photographs from the pot and Fetenaufnaahmen of a mountain hut. Conclusion: What has always synonymous always led the entire tester to the FX1 a bad LowLight behavior attest that the gods know, but we do not and I certainly is not.
- The lowlight of VX2000/2100 behavior is in no way inferior because it is at the same location much less or no rushing! The FX1 has a manual gain switch, 9db hours 0db and 18db. This switch can be freely adjusted in the menu. I did so that night, brightly illuminated Niagafälle filmed, with 9db example, 18db was too bright, we saw more than in reality and it rushed, probably because of the synonymous and the water spray. The view back s.end through the canyon with the bridge, then there are not many lights, looked completely out top with 18db, no noise. The craters on the moon could be seen only when the aperture was closed and the shutter was set to 1000, usually only a blazing bright disc was seen to have been.
- Otto normalo comes in automatic mode, exposure and focus, made in 90% of all cases without manual adjustments
- The wide area of the FX1 is greater than the VX2000/2100, it corresponds to the VX2000 with the Sony wide angle essay (factor 0.7)
- Provides for the oft-cited external edges of the image (+8 pixels) is only in extreme lighting conditions, eg against the midday sun.
- Sparkling clean water is shown
etc., etc. All negatives were refuted.
One must see it to experience, which saves a thousand words.
Now I'm waiting for my HD Tube Television of JVC HV-32P40BJ
HDV via YUV component input.
Greeting
Ulrich
JVC HV-32P40BJ MDLLemuria-AT-aol.com
Antwort von Axel:
: Continued here read with interest with, because I do next probably synonymous with the FX1 to
Get: am.
: Greeting Wiro
Another two features I noticed positive in Comparison to the VX2000:
The greater the wide angle and at medium focal significantly reduced depth of field. There are a programming, focus and focal store, so fast focus shifts are possible.
Axel Schreiter-AT-t-online.de
Antwort von Axel:
Comparison of the timeline shows that the behavior of the lowlight FX1 is better than the VX2000 (brighter pictures, both begin in the automatic mode), about the same time the noise. Because of the larger wide angle response of the autofocus on the HD-camera makers, which is an advantage in the dark. The sharpness of synonymous (the FX1 was in DV mode) was better, but of course, Comparison lags because the VX2000 had to work with gesqueezten pixels. In WW-FX1 in the area of immediate visible distortion lenses, not as VX. Upcoming recording in HD mode to see whether it is possibly with fast movements fringing.
Antwort von A.m.H.:
I would be interested, it's see if you can not update the FX 1 software, so you are on the state of the Z1?
Also, I wonder whether it really is no way to make the FX1 720p sing.
Next up someone has posted that he has created with Final Cut Pro Works, but a WMV file. How to make s.besten it?
If you are interested in a video clip (of me look in production), then goes on
www.fdoubleh.ch ---> downloads ---> video ---> Mol ärnschthaft. But achtung! The Page does not work with Firefox. Therefore I give no direct link with better ;-)
Watch the clip I recorded in HDV and cut into DV. It is a 4:3 letterbox file.
Best regards
Alex
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
The content of the video and I like the implementation ...
The former HDV picture quality is of course nothing left!
Will you then the original file in HDV cut again?
Antwort von Heinz:
I wanted to synonymous (the FX1 grow even) because of the good wide angle.
However, if I zoom out all over, I look left and right of the picture clear cushion distortion. (Filmt times simply a doorway s.Rand of image). 've Already seen this behavior in three of Z1 and FX1, and wonder whether I am the only one who interferes with that.
For me, it was certainly a reason not to buy the camera.
Regards
Heinz
Antwort von GhostDog:
Yo, erstmal, did not understand a word, but Musi super, super cut, rare here in the Net.
Also, I wonder whether it really is no way to make the FX1 720p sing.
Buy Probably not for us, "prosumer", there has been tuned jet engines, and which recommends, in the fall of the Panasonic HVX200, which does it all, even 4:2:2 (for clean keying) and will cost probably twice that, namely 6000 ¬. What do you want? For 3 Mille the box is quite snappy, what's there to stay forever, and is unpleasant to the with the 1080i, you'd have to shoot pretty long clips that fit over the nit to the DVD!
Next up someone has posted that he has created with Final Cut Pro Works, but a WMV file. How to make s.besten it?
So I created the "Media Cleaner tested" and find that the wmvs First look good, but jerk with fast movements. My tip: Give the Quicktime movies in high Resolutioneinem friend with PC to convert. Doofer Tip? Maybe someone knows something better?
Antwort von AMH:
Hello!
Thanks for your answer ;-)
So, with the FX1, I am already very satisfied. For I have thought before buying or whether I should buy me ne XL1s. The new cost me roughly the same amount.
I think the FX1 is therefore a relatively cheap camera.
There will always be discussed at Progressivmode, which would create a film look.
This I deny, however, forcibly! Now I have already tested some progressive suitable cameras. A better film look I did not recognize. Which is synonymous with the Fx1 possible. Thanks to HDV, even better. (My experience)
But what I still think it made sense, would be a firmware update. With a bit of PC skills should be possible. I can not (: D)
Unfortunately synonymous me the money does not grow on trees s.den. Therefore, a new camera purchase is unthinkable.
Incidentally, I've already asked a can-holders because of the WMV format. But of course, would be advantageous if I could make the Kovertierung synonymous s.Mac.
Media Cleaner? Wo gibts den? -I do not know -
Gruss
Alex
Antwort von Markus:
Unfortunately synonymous me the money does not grow on trees s.den. Oh, shame! Because I'm looking for a spin ... ;-)
Antwort von GhostDog:
The topic of film look: All the things like higher resolution, Progressive
Recording, depth of field can not hide one thing: The low Dynamics of the images.
While real footage of up to 14 stops dynamic range has to remain
Consumer / prosumer and professional DV devices synonymous with 7-9 screens are available.
7 For more tendency 9th Wherever the film was still soft curtain or cloud
can be seen, it shines in the DV-picture only white. The same in the
dark areas. There may come a say and to argue that there is the
Cinelook setting. But they did not bring it.
Schaut mal in www.hackermovies.de for film look. Since a lot is
told all essential stuff.
But again for the final FX1. Aufzupatchen you to a Z1, ultimately means only
turning on the NTSC frame rates. The XLR connections fitted retrospectively
I think that cost and / or time consuming.
It is really quite a price for the Hammer, but with the double
Compare such an expensive camera to a bissel pompous. And it is
is a camera for 2500, - bells.
mfg chmee
Antwort von AMH:
But again for the final FX1. Aufzupatchen you to a Z1, ultimately means only
turning on the NTSC frame rates. The XLR connections fitted retrospectively
I think that cost and / or time consuming.
It is really quite a price for the Hammer, but with the double
Compare such an expensive camera to a bissel pompous. And it is
is a camera for 2500, - bells.
mfg chmee That is simply not so! The Z1 has various image adjustment options, and other synonymous, important for the design, setup.
Although I have not looked at in more detail, but there will be Software control something else.
Installing XLR connections, you do not subsequently leave. I might well be synonymous with the content:
zum Bild Gruss
Alex
Antwort von Markus:
The XLR adapter Canon MA-300 I've s.einem want to try out Sony camcorder ... but the fit has not mechanically or electronical.
At
Antwort von AMH:
True, we have now looked at the adapter a bit more accurate. The only fit on Canon devices (gold contacts s.Accessory shoe)
Although I would have liked a little better, because I would have had even a holder for a Ambi mic.
In
www.profilmgear.de
Gruss
Alex
Antwort von AMH:
@ Mark!
I was just looking for something where I can screw on the accessory shoe. And then s.besten a holder for an external mic would.
Below, I did not screw up like that because as I already have the shoulder support. I would have the adapter, then install Hiten.
Do you know something like the MA 300 easy for ne FX?
Gruss
Alex
Antwort von Markus:
I was just looking for something where I can screw on the accessory shoe. And then s.besten a holder for an external mic would. [...] Do you know something like the MA 300 easy for ne FX? No, unfortunately not. : - /
Antwort von AMH:
shame :-(
Antwort von chmee:
AMH:
Sorry, I guess part of my statement back.
mfg chmee
Antwort von alannah12:
I have been following the posts about the noise and the low-light properties of the FX1 been a while.
But not in a post I once read a measurement of image noise in a Lighting X shown in db (S / N) in comparison to several other cameras.
3, 5 or 2 lux are not meaningful.
Demo videos have been on the Internet with some coders counted
And then show blurring or artifacts are also not suitable for an assessment of the camera.
To get a rough idea of Comparison in HD to SD, should you fall in a native DV File and a native HD file with a player on a PC with at least 1024, he Resolutionim watch full screen. The deinterlacer should be off.
The software player for HD might make the problems blur by themselves show with fast motion. The emerging row must be offset by movement in Comparison to ignore.
A future HD player will certainly have no problems with interlacing.
Antwort von Axel:
To get a rough idea of Comparison in HD to SD, should you fall in a native DV File and a native HD file with a player on a PC with at least 1024, he Resolutionim watch full screen. The deinterlacer should be off 1. How do I disable the de-interlacer a TFT display from "?
2. In
full screen mode of 1080i with no de-interlacer FX1??
3. Comparison s.diesem what should be "meaningful"? In the HD sector, we are surrounded of "full screen". Here, the FX1 has to prove himself!
The software player for HD might make the problems blur by themselves show with fast motion. The emerging row must be offset by movement in Comparison to ignore. No idea how this tallies: blur during fast motion,
despite Bolos! This actually occurs, and indeed synonymous with direct views of the action of material on an HD plasma. So can with "software player" do nothing to have, but rather with the compression.
A future HD player will certainly have no problems with interlacing. Certainly not.
Antwort von WeiZen:
Blur during fast motion, despite Bolos! This actually occurs, and indeed synonymous with direct views of the action of material on an HD plasma. So can with "software player" do nothing to have, but rather with the compression. Moin,
great! And what is the FX1 are sharp, if between each half-image and 20cm longer lie? And even if, as would look like then?
I hear them screaming, where is the film look, yes, everything is sharp.
And how do you shows that of the plasma, which must runterskalieren probably synonymous erstmal, or that has been true 1920x1080?, Not the polluter, ie the scale of the plasma?
@ LowLight
Hang it up 6db - 9db GAIN rushing anything, Hage at 18db of the previously mentioned lighting and how much it hisses. Frankfurt at night and 6db range completely, otherwise it will namely Frankfurt at dusk.
But we now have the dark season, goes into a store, she borrows from you and judge yourself Expand Focus button press and to assess noise. GAIN button does not forget. In the menu in three adjustable positions.
Antwort von apfelkoenig:
1. How do I disable the de-interlacer a TFT display from "?
2. In
full screen mode of 1080i with no de-interlacer FX1??
3. Comparison s.diesem what should be "meaningful"? In the HD sector, we are surrounded of "full screen". Here, the FX1 has to prove himself!
Hello,
It's not about the de-interlacer a TFT-displays, but the
Player of the software may be the wrong lines interpolated.
A final image evaluation with this method is really not possible, but the difference in the Resolutionwird visible.
To post a statement about the MPEG encoder and the data rate of the Camera
making, one should develop appropriate methods of measurement.
In the FX1 is a consumer camera, which for 3000 EUR
really provides a good picture quality. For this price you get for not even take Cam Lens!
A production, s.der lighting technicians, technicians and actors are involved is so expensive that it is a professional - with appropriate interchangeable lens camera does not matter.
Will the consumer area eigendlich one alternative to HDV?
To adopt Sonywird of DV, HDTV and the world will establish the PAL and NTSC system, but is already dying in eigendlich.
greetings
Masha
Antwort von motiongroup:
To adopt Sonywird of DV, HDTV and the world will establish the PAL and NTSC system, but is already dying in eigendlich.
Regardless of the HDV will play a role in the Future-is important but it festzumachen s.HDTV format conglomerate and not for the s.Aufzeichnungsstandard Cams and there may be many more to come.
Accordingly, the statements say more IR in the PAL format is not right to die, even for the transition to the HDTV standard jungle for another 1-2 record standards will go into the country .. and at least 1 Camleben s.Neukauf ..
tuts vote in any case will die out but the computer meets the human race as only when the question is.
Antwort von Mitch:
Hi All,
I have now acquired a synonymous FX1. Synonymous, I would be interested to know whether you s.der firmware yet so what can rotate in the direction of the Z1. How to replace the cross hairs, for example against the frame or anything. Otherwise I am quite satisfied with the FX1. The signal produced, I think it synonymous pretty good for a consumer camera, they have my views on work and s.Vectorscope waveform but it is only regarded as a PAL signal. When compared to ne MSW-2000 with Color Bars, do I see serious differences had little nen. How do you see that?
Greeting
Mitch
Antwort von jeantier:
Hola,
am what HDTV relates to a newb, so
where I could get me one for Comparison
native HD format Download
TFT and deinterlacing, ... rather, this is not synonymous
Of the settings of the graphics card dependent,
at least for ATI's probably as a function.
alls you are interested, a video clip (of me look in production), then goes on www.fdoubleh.ch ---> downloads ---> video ---> Mol ärnschthaft. But achtung! The Page does not work with Firefox. Therefore I give no direct link with better ;-) oh yes the link does not go with me
Antwort von stonee:
Hi,
only once in passing.
The FX1 has only the stupid 4-pole 3.5mm jack plug for A / V.
Thus the camera, such as live broadcasts, a major drawback in Comparison to VX, XM, etc. .. has DVX
Is a mystery to me why Sonyda has built no normal Chinchbuchsen. The housing of the FX1 (plastic) sounds so hollow bodies s.einigen that there certainly would have found a few bushes right place ...
I'm not asking any (large) BNC as the HD-XL1, but it could have been RCA.
stonee
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin Stonee,
how right you have. But one reason for the Z1, it must have, yes.
Antwort von stonee:
Hi Ulrich,
true.
I'd 'be glad it once it's high quality of 4-pin adapter. Jack to RCA and / or BNC exist.
When YUV component connection, it is the same ...
Maybe in 3 years in the FX2.
When the Battery VX1000 was synonymous internal, in the VX2 ... fortunately not.
stonee
