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Real D: Kommt die 3-D Revolution im Kino?

Real D: If the 3-D revolution in the movies?



Newsmeldung von slashCAM:
Mai 2007

Real D: If the 3-D revolution in the movies? Of thomas - 1 May 2007 14:31:00
Several three-dimensional movies were promised, but then so was inadequate, that after a brief Stereo glasses hype back in the Bedeutlunbgslosigkeit is lost. Now dagenen, behautptet this article, is a new 3-D technology, called Real D, so advanced that three-dimensional movies really will create the breakthrough: the projection equipment, including eyewear is there, it is affordable, operates smoothly and is well enough to enforce.

The Real D system works in conjunction with various movies DLP projectors. 144 pictures per second are shown alternately to each eye picture from the left and right perspective through a projector intent of Real D polarized, ie 72 images per second - the Real D glasses for viewers ensures that each eye only the image from its perspective gets shown. One advantage of the Real D system is that existing DLP projectors can be used - but supplemented by projection-specific prefixes and silver screens - and that, in contrast to the red-green no reduction procedures for the presentation of the film takes place available colors . The Disney animated film "Meet the Robinsons" is successful in Real D 3-D version in over 600 cinemas started. In an interview with the 3-D CG supervisor Kyle Odermatt becomes clear how the additional dimension of representation conscious, may be used to understand the history of film to convey and the audience even more with additional sensory impressions to captivate. The use of 3-D effects must always be well thought through - too crass game with spatial depth, the spectators and exhausting fatigue. Details of Real D to think more of the bekanntereren directors like James Cameron, Peter Jackson, George Lucas and Bob Zemeckis Nanchen about a movie in 3-D spinning and almost each of the major film studios, the production of a 3-D movie. Dreamworks wants to film even s.2009 each priority in 3-D shape and George Lucas is planning for 2007 re-release of Star Wars in 3D. Thus, for the American Memorial Day (a holiday tradition and popular start date for new films) 2009 is already clear that two major productions s.der box office against each other are: DreamWorks' "Monsters vs.. Aliens" to "Avatar", a SF - Thriller of James Cameron/20th Century Fox with a budget of 195 million U.S. dollars. 2009, expected 5000 U.S. movie theaters with 3-D technology to be (today there are already at least 700 and the end of the year 1200 it should be). It seems only a matter of time (and the success of the next 3-D films), until all the big films in 3-D will be rotated.

The price for the 3-D technical upgrade of the cinema, which is based on 20,000 to 50,000 dollars per theater amounts (including new digital projectors and screens), is on the Kínokarten handled.

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Antwort von Axel:

"Slashcam" wrote:
It seems only a matter of time until all (...), big film in 3-D will be rotated.


In three or four years there will be 3D again only at the fair. Then I would bet. The fact that we physically see, has nothing to do with how we perceive and react. That is as much a nonsense as the cinema or odor in rats Fußbürsten films (one wonders what effects live like a movie Hostel aufmotzen could).

Hollywood always reacted with predictable Giganto-flops, if the evolutionary pressure is higher and the audience turned to other media. A good thing has: Silver screens for cinemas!



Antwort von Ikaron:

Do not be so pessimistic, Axel. :-)

Imagine what it everything depends on it: 3D cameras (or everyone has at least two 2D cameras have). New software to edit and format new DVD-Burners/Player new Television and / or projectors for home theater. And new glasses. The industry (and Fielmann? :-) Is to pull.
The people are with 3D glasses the shops armed assault to Vorführfilm with Dolly Buster to see (the tits go up to your nose tip :-). And then buy, buy, buy.

The Competition of the forums is given new dimensions. I see it before me: "The leading 3D Forum in German-speaking countries." Here and in all other forums will then wolfgang of its 3D pictures in Yosemite National Park and report to him as the kiosk vendor s.der Fishermen's Warf for its professional equipment have admired.

But prospects are great, or not?
Not? Good, Dolly Buster synonymous find ich blöd :-)








Antwort von SeanS:

"Axel" wrote:
"Slashcam" wrote:
It seems only a matter of time until all (...), big film in 3-D will be rotated.

!


Hard to say, I find. The transition of silent to sound film went very quickly, the change of black and white to color, however, has taken much longer. Reports that I have read, aimed at the 3-D experience with Real D already very convincing - and the contrast is not a gimmick will be, says that the whole of the first guard of Hollywood directors initiated the WILL (and which have not only the simple Mammon in mind) - in contrast to the recent 3-D hypes, where only B-movies so hochgejazzt should be (up to a Hitchcockfilm I think) ...

Sean



Antwort von SeanS:

and as already noted above was not to forget the interests of the Manufacturer to push - only in the professional field, then Consumer - if everyone has HD equipment (Cams, Tools, TVs, HD-DVSs, HD projectors), you MUST just sometime the next big thing coming that everyone wants and for which it pays to buy everything again - why should not the 3-D be in 5 years? Something always comes ... Otherwise, with 4K resolution SuperHD Or whatever.

Sean



Antwort von Ikaron:

The first flat panel I have as the beginning of the 80-he seen at Sharp. As of 1985 should be in accordance with their expectations and thus each have such a thing. Meanwhile, there are indeed synonymous.
Massenproduzierbare 3D models with and without glasses for home use, I know since the mid 80-he, all of them are so far largely failed in acceptance test. But maybe it works this time yes?



Antwort von Axel:

"Anonymous" wrote:
But prospects are great, or not?
Not? Good, Dolly Buster synonymous find ich blöd :-)


For all the trash is probably too costly Chose - alas! Who would not like Frankenstein's daughters seduce Godzillas son, as with Dolly Buster Plumpaquatsch?

I am lying or wrong is the best device to a 3D-HD-DVD to be considered no longer a television, but even a pair of spectacles? In the future nerdigeren still bears the Filmfan enclosing a 3D-vision glasses and looks so like a Clones from Star Wars.

"Sean" wrote:
- And the contrast is not a gimmick will be, says that the whole of the first guard of Hollywood directors initiated the WILL (and which have not only simple in the sense of Mammon) --


The whole Scientology Pack!



Antwort von PeterM:

First to the last question. Yes gesichtsfeldumspannende 3D glasses showed the best 3D effect. Unfortunately, these usually cost miltärischen Apps systm eigestzten still over 30000 U.S. $, and consumer displays 3D glasses for $ 1000 U.S. are nice, but not more
Our company makes 15 years since 3D productions. Until now synonymous in our 3D productions rather a niche product. If the change I would certainly look. Nevertheless, I remain skeptical.
Basically, it is true that the introduction of 3-chip DLP projectors, it is possible with a projector (and that is the prerequisite for the Konoeinsatz) high-quality passive 3D projected. Nor is it so. that almost all computer animations without major problems in 3D can be expected. This is unfortunately not for real 3 D film. From qualitative rather dubious intent camera solutions apart is still in principle with two cameras rotated. 3D real film but is also synonymous basic physiological / technological limitations which restrict very creative ways. One reason why most 3D films have really bad effects and to be trimmed.
In addition, there is still synonymous but a fundamental problem on the projection side. This can be understood under the canvas viewer system. In practice this means that there is little theoretically ideal places in the movies there. We we 3D movie promotional purposes, are then the VIP's at the best places to be. Nor is the spectacle is often a psychological barrier, and unfortunately in the next 10 years with not a large brille free system to be. Even 15 years research at autosteroskopischen monitors still have no convincing results emerged.
But as I said, if Hollywood is big now and so created makes the ground would we, as old hands happy if it means the acceptance increases. Only then will I really believe it yet.



Antwort von SeanS:

"Peterm" wrote:
... 3D real film but is also synonymous basic physiological / technological limitations which restrict very creative ways. One reason why most 3D films have really bad effects and to be trimmed.


Hi Peter,
can you please explain more? In the linked text is so synonymous briefly, with the the 3-D effect in the head must be rotated differently, or in the script / storyboard already thought to be tuned, scenes in the room to effectively without exaggeration - as we must to imagine? Diene that act too many spatial effects in the background is because the effects are too overwhelming? (But if several top directors to work with, it is perhaps a new camera-style establishment for the rotation in 3-D)

"Peterm" wrote:
In addition, there is still synonymous but a fundamental problem on the projection side. This can be understood under the canvas viewer system. In practice this means that there is little theoretically ideal places in the movies there. We we 3D movie promotional purposes, are then the VIP's at the best places to be. Nor is the spectacle is often a psychological barrier, and unfortunately in the next 10 years with not a large brille free system to be. Even 15 years research at autosteroskopischen monitors still have no convincing results emerged.
But as I said, if Hollywood is big now and so created makes the ground would we, as old hands happy if it means the acceptance increases. Only then will I really believe it yet.


Do you already have a movie in Real D seen? How is because with the golden section?

Thank you!
Sean



Antwort von Axel:

"Peterm" wrote:
Nor is it so. that almost all computer animations without major problems in 3D can be expected. This is unfortunately not for real 3 D film.


http://www.movieweb.com/news/10/7210.php

Lucas and Cameron claim that the calculation of the Z-axis was with support of modern software is no longer a problem, and I believe them. Perspective, viewing angle, camera position, all that can calculate and track and in turn convert stereo. As such Picture quality looks like? No clue.

"Peterm" wrote:
From qualitative rather dubious intent camera solutions apart is still in principle with two cameras rotated. 3D real film but is also synonymous basic physiological / technological limitations which restrict very creative ways.


http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/

Okay, this is the exact calculation of the distance of each pixel of the captured object, not 3D. Nevertheless, the solution would look something like that. There is somewhere on this Page Image of a stop crayons links where you can adjust the focal can. For shorter focal is not only the depth is greater, you can see at once the label side of the previously hidden pins.

Sooo much science fiction is no longer anything but.



Antwort von Ikaron:

Well, Peterm because I have probably for the umpteenth time too early happy :-)

Axel is probably right, the Hollywood types at the moment is probably nothing more, so they once again get the glasses from the moth box. Next stop, we go into the theater.



Antwort von chris.ch:

Hello,

I am surprised that in this context, IMAX is not mentioned.
There is 3D for years Einatz. There are special film camera with 2 lenses. The film projector has also two optics. Viewers get glasses with polarizing filters. So the same principle as mentioned in this article. That works perfectly.
This is the huge IMAX Picture a normal cinema screen is small dagen.
So I'm always thrilled. Absolutely recommend a visit to the IMAX movies.








Antwort von PeterM:

The Z-axis to calculate camera position all can be prevented but now is not the time limitations.
Short on real 3D.
This is the first time not really new.
Only now the distribution with a digital cinema projector is new. In the simulation area are admittedly such projectors with lower light output has been sold 6 years.
And the use of circular filters in the simulation area is already 10 years and give input. Here was the pioneer Barco.
Grndsätzlich changes the qualitative Real3D proceedings on the projection side, but as I said just make the distribution easier.
If you do not forget that along with the process the light output by at least 60% decrease.
For the 3D fundamental problem. Unfortunately, I can not now of course a detailed excursion into the manufacture and distribution of 3D Shooting bring. Therefore, just a few points.
1. Man can stereoscopically only see about 30m (due to the distance between eyes) everything else is in the perspective calculation Gehirm
2.Um truly 3D experience to be able to face the box completely filled out.
Otherwise, if all you have a glance through a 3D window, which corresponds to the canvas.
3. Any 3D Screening is the 3 D system, finally, a system of canvas viewer. That means depending on the distance calculated for each viewer a different 3D effect. This can be optimized, but it can not be for a standard for cinema Plätzue all realize.
4 We beziehenn our information section D, as I said, not only from the paralaxenberechnung. These are precisely synonymous Persprektivberechnung on the basis of experience. But the reference synonymous of our head position. A sychronisation the head position and a full 180 degrees gesischtsfeld can only with interactive tracking headmounted dispays reach, as in the field of military research and Apps can be used.
The main I-max is a good indication.
Here is the screen is so large that large parts of the visual field covered. In addition, all the I-MAX films now do not see 3D on natürlcihes trimmed, but on (I-max) 3D Effect, and this has only little time with challenging movies to do, but it is obviously very attractive, in the truest sense of the word.
And again I will repeat it. I would be pleased if it could be crystallized 3d movie would. The side scenes beyond the movies so cinema advertising and Promotion would just houses with experience in the production of high quality 3D shooting with lucrative supply contracts. Until it so far is holding 3D film is synonymous with us in the house only a niche product, with admittedly a 3-D production with 2 F900 really fun.
Even short to me. I am not a filmmaker. Iich am fbei ür the technical prerequisites particularly the projection system requirements and conditions and consider yourself some patents in the field of 3 T and Laserprojektionssystmen.
4.



Antwort von Sascha:

"Peterm" wrote:

If you do not forget that along with the process the light output by at least 60% decrease.


The remedy should be probably the silver screens - to better reflect light and thus improve the light yield



Antwort von PeterM:

That is basically correct. Silver Wipes have naturally a higher cost of gain auk viewing angle. Special for the people to the front left or right makes sitting at synonymous with good towels noticeable. Not to speak of the lack of Farbgüte silver cloth.
This leads, for example, that we are on big events on demand must depend on two screens. A 3D and a high resolution in order to drive presentations.
So far, I am not a 3D cloth known, is synonymous perfect for 2K Xenonprojektoen / film projectors suitable.



Antwort von Gast 3D:

The silver screen is primarily about this because the polarized light to obtain.
Normal screens highlight the polarizer by the intended effect on well because they scatter light strongly.



Antwort von Axel:

"Host 3D" wrote:
The silver screen is primarily about this because the polarized light to obtain.
Normal screens highlight the polarizer by the intended effect on well because they scatter light strongly.

On Wednesday is with us in a real 3D Movies Roadshow (and we do not have a silver screen). What I do know, then I post here.
The previous 3-D films are deservedly flops, at least as a 2D version (Meet the Robinsons and current kings of the waves). One sees them, that each setting desperately struggling for depth perception, and everything comes to be the usual Overacting many CG animated characters added.
Ratatouille is my cartoon-Tip for success. A Disney film based on the model of the classic animations - with really painted backgrounds.
What you should not forget: The page ranks and the front floor for 3D may not be sold. No good argument for cinema operators ...



Antwort von Axel:

Aaaalso,
one day before the roadshow, I could now see everything. It is with glasses. The glasses are high-tech, the glasses are green, then activated it by pressing the Page and it will be black. An infrared - emitter projected onto the canvas. He activated according to the principle of a remote control turns the left and the right lens.
The projection is normal with a fairly bleak canvas. The "Real D" effects are at CGA - Clips (Nightmare before Christmas, the Robinsons, sky and chicken, some Las Vegas regular quiz, dinosaur and marine aquariums of a company "3rtual Reality") quite convincing. A U2 music, lions from a National Geographic documentary and a football game are really dumb, on the other hand: people and animals appear as the foreground plate level several background levels. Star Wars I will not see me so. The Titanic recordings were still the best: The bug behind algenbewucherte floating plankton. So definitely what underwater.
Whether one side or centrally located, is less crucial. You have to sit close. The canvas is still from the second row (!) Ten meters away. Later one has the feeling of being in a lighted box to watch in any comic Viecher are being missed.



Antwort von C.I.W:

That would mean that you always have two films for 16 - and 35mm cameras ever recruitment needs. Who is to pay for it all. 2x as many movie roles, or did I misunderstood?

PS: I will be in 3D glasses always bad, the same way you do not?



Antwort von Axel:

Small update relating to 3D:
The film The Legend of Beowulf (Robert Zemeckis) is running next week in Germany. It is a motion capture film, like Polar Express, with a view to 3D realized.
From the audience reviews in IMDb, you can conclude that the film may have similar views as Slashcam here
http://forum.slashcam.de/tv-tip-final-fantasy-die-machte-in-dir-vp252838.html#252838
With Final Fantasy does.
To three-dimensional effect, the proportions had to be reduced ( "Ken and Barbie was reenacting a PC game").
Because of the stupid Optics I predict a full flop.

Not least because hardly a movie in 3D is: The glasses cost 40 ¬ each. Should we in addition to a deposit ticket levy? Who cleans the ideas between the glasses? How can you utilize a hall, where almost half the seats not be sold?

I take myself as an example. Besides small shoot - love and life until the elbow (this is the way, according to DV out) - I see me like fat synonymous effects movies, but this interested me cramp really not.




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