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Red Scarlet - "Summer 2009"?



Frage von iasi:
August 2009

Now we already have the summer of 2009, but except for the constant cheers of the fans there are, unfortunately, nothing for sale at RedCon Launch of Scarlet.
I realize that Jim is very happy to celebrate the people and to constantly throws snacks as an opportunity - but so far no word on timing.
Under "MORE INFO" can be found, however, still the old appointments: http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

Accordingly, at least the S35 would have to go in the coming weeks s.den start.

And then in the autumn of my coveted 2 / 3 ".

But why I am so skeptical about these dates?
...

Oh yes - and a few words synonymous to 2 / 3 "or S35/FF35:

1. The temporal resolution is important to me than the number of pixels - 50fps at 3k.

2. Lower resolutions can achieve only through the 35ern to Crop - 4k, 5k or 6k but does not usually represent a huge water head, but also drive up the memory overhead in the air. And the FF1080p turn are actually too little.

3. DOF is always 2 sides - who has tracked ever taken f1.4 and the 85mm-camera sharpness s.einer 35er, know what I mean - as one wishes but sometimes a 2 / 3 "sensor, because it is not always enough light to dim to be sufficient.

4. The price: The 7000 ® for S35-Brain may sound tempting indeed cheap, but has until a drehfertiges equipment, it becomes so expensive that one must consider whether or not rent is reasonable.
On the other hand it remains a 2 / 3 "Cinema is not synonymous with the 2500 ® - and my camera lenses can I use as synonymous limited (;) hearty extension factor. The 3750 ® for the 2 / 3" kit would be (and if it here ) remain an unbeatable offer - at least in 2009 (and who knows what next year on the market comes from).

5. What light sensitivity will provide the 35er, is not yet clear - more than the small 2 / 3 "it will probably be.



Antwort von Valentino:

"iasi" wrote:

But why I am so skeptical about these dates?

From what I have noticed that the Red Commune is nothing before winter 09/10 with the new Scarlet models.
On the alleged grounds practi gets wild, with the financial crisis, evident to me the argument a bit, because it is suspected that has something verzockt Jim s.Finanzmarkt.
This is not a company like RED Sonydie anything can make it yourself is very dependent of the individual suppliers, for example, hardware, provide aluminum housing and so on.



Antwort von iasi:

Winter 2009?
That is so long is no longer synonymous out.

Financial Crisis?
Well - as far as I know, is synonymous during a financial crisis:
The faster the completed development and the product on the market, the better - and for this there would be many good arguments.

But no preference, what are the reasons for the delay, their information could Red-people honestly yes, at least revise times.

By the way:
Sonymacht synonymous not everything - synonymous who their suppliers.

One can only hope that Red will not come out with Scarlet's too late - another cook (synonymous her soup, and if synonymous) without discipleship in the background.





Antwort von Valentino:

Here's score on the five:

1. Exactly my thoughts, I am looking for an alternative to an EX1 and one S35 or FF35 chip is too large for the regular video prosumers easy.

2. The 3K make it through the debayering on Real 2K/HD, which should be sufficient for a prosumer absolutely synonymous ;-)
That's why I think even the FF1080 quite sufficient if you do not have just keyen.
Who Will everything be able to play on the HD? Even the most cinemas now to get featured on 2K. At 4k, there is barely one movie in Germany.

3. I find synonymous, because I like small documentaries and promotional films turn s.besten where everything should be sharp!
This is missing in those projects, the time as synonymous for the Money Focuspuller :-)
Up to now, is there for me the EX1 simply the best tool.

4. RED itself offers a beautiful Primes is located as on the level of Arri / Zeiss Ultra Primes. For about 18,000 dollars a set have to be 25/35/50/85/100 that 18mm will come out a little later. Who knows how much does one save the Ultra Prime lenses with the RED bares Money.
There are more and more, thanks to RED PL optics and thus fall Prices determined next. Alone, the new Fuji DigiZoom of 18 to 85mm with a T2 is the absolute hammer.
This will require ($ 1000 each for the 2 / 3 inch RedMinis; not be within 2 / 3 "kit is included) which, unlike the Zeiss DigiPrimes not even account for the VAT ;-)
On the other accessories one at 2 / 3 can argue about whether it desperately needs a followfocus or Mattebox. In EX1 the Kunstoffkompendium synonymous sufficient.

5. In the native light sensitivity time I type it on 500 ASA of which one comes with a little noise to the level of an EX1.
This RED should change the color temperature of 3200k to 5000 K, so you will not shine in lowlight with HMI light or be swallowed by a correction filter, almost two stops.
In daylight, these 2 panels are still more likely to sustain.
This should get the last time the IR problem under control, because they taste Hot Mirror NDs a pig's Money.



Antwort von carstenkurz:

Who on the RED site only reads what he likes is his own fault.


'Prices, specifications and delivery dates are subject to drastic changes. Count on it and you will not be disappointed. "

This is so pretty and taking over everything RED published. If you do not take seriously what a company says it abundantly clear - why should we then want to buy a camera of them?


- Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

but as synonymous is "Summer 2009" and "Summer / Fall 2009" ...

what am I supposed to believe now?

yes, I must also not find anything great, so what makes a company, and can he still buy their product if something is good.

If you can not point to criticisms, it has more of something religious. but it has the big red-meister really spent brilliant: his age at the red-forum to congregate.
yes, the really celebrate everything that he throws with the crowd ... and critical questions? nil.

I agree with the praise of arri:
Jarred in his parish has assembled an impressive and enviable way behind.

but a red-age, I am so far from - and why I moan about synonymous when advertised products postponed canceled, altered and made more expensive.



Antwort von carstenkurz:

Before they say, would have a firm 'misled' (; and with the above disclaimer may not anyway), you should probably at least the end of summer time to wait ;-)
And if you settle the Gierbrille, perhaps you can read the synonymous '(; est.).' In the announcement.

From this: The only notable 'critical point' is probably that you hold against your impatience RED instead of thyself.

When one reads in some detail in REDs forums, will be synonymous learned that losing on purpose in the meanwhile too open announcements. RedRocket was never announced, and then delivered within 2 weeks of. Simply wait times in the R1, it has worked so synonymous ...

- Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

oh well - the word "misled" of you is

... And with the patience which is so one thing - above all, it has nothing to do with grier too.
at least I have still announcements for over a year - after many, it hits me a little when there is still "summer 2009 is".
The summer ends in any event so 22./23.sept around. - Let's schaun - and we hope that it is a deja-vu.

Jarred indicated in typically vague, yes to even type that with the targeted deadlines is probably nothing will - then he can remove the publishing dates synonymous only once - that would be consistent.

Incidentally: r1 when it has just worked synonymous not that great - and not with the 3k-scarlet.
I ask people where the red, the hold does not want - they can gladly take longer synonymous with the scarlet, but they will then say it clearly and substantially synonymous.
that the scarlet this year in significant numbers will be available, I can certainly (not really imagine, because of the experiences synonymous with the r1).



Antwort von carstenkurz:

It will be available in sufficient numbers in any case ...


- Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

considering how it went in r1, then you can be happy in D, if you get 2010 a scarlet - at least if one is not a big lender.

shame

which then makes the big manufacturers enough time for competing products. red-raw will probably remain the only trump in reds sleeve.



Antwort von iasi:

After I was once again on REDUSER.NET on news search, I can only hope that red has really made a 180 ° swiveling only what the policy terms info ... And just a flourish the sudden series model with the scarlet presented.

Perhaps they will even take weihnachtsgeschäft that - could be the little scarlet indeed be quite appropriate ... 3500-4000 ¬ for the complete kit can be found in many well under the Christmas tree ...



Antwort von Valentino:

To do this, but has yet to hold the RED in this price without doubt the most robust camera manufactures.
On the contrary to the trend of plastic Sony, Panasonic and Co. here RED swims against the tide.
In addition, there HD/2k a modular camera, which was too early days of HDV completely utopian.
I can still remember that there has been some years ago here at Slashcam times even an article on such a modular camera.

So you can now but wait until you get half the year's Scarlet and maybe by then the competitions brings an equivalent device on the market. This can and will revitalize the market.



Antwort von carstenkurz:

The modularity of the system will be a huge factor - but it naturally leads synonymous to the fact that it takes longer with the development.
RED has already said that they have the Scarlet Specs because of developments in the DSLR market changed again. And I would bet that as synonymous, the last word has not yet spoken. Although a large sensor is the little Scarlet probably wishful thinking - against the Canon 5DMKII or a successor is sowas but really needed.
Sowas modular but there has never in picture or sound recording field. If it goes as planned because it is synonymous, and in 5 years as an updated can use his brain with all the other modules. If the range is certainly time to be completely available, it offers tremendous opportunities synonymous in the rental sector.

When I now look at what drives the competition so, then RED is still synonymous in 2 years a unique status. Canon, Sony & Co. have huge problems simply synonymous with the egg dance between Stillimage-and video division. RED other hand, wants precisely this hybrid form.

But I think that many companies and people in the moving area synonymous in principle, no RAW workflows like. This quantity field is not at all interested in Sony & co. The majority of the users halfway affordable device sweeps become synonymous not want to. Unless, perhaps, which is significantly more user-friendly and 'made Presetable'. At least with the little one is Scarlet Security synonymous with direct access without manual have RAW processing.


- Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

offer in principle, the still-cameras modular systems for a long time, often synonymous if the battery grip of a non-DSRL fits s.das sister model. but who has been collecting 10 years with canon-dsrls knippst and a good collection s.objektiven can, with a broad smile to purchase a 5dII.
synonymous is the raw format quite widespread. DSRL which it does not provide?
even better bridge-raw and compact cameras offer.

sensors have great pre-cons but it is synonymous and are not always the first choice - the gradation of 2 / 3 "up to large format makes sense.
the imax received in "Dark Knight" can be seen even on blu-ray on the quality. the other would be a documented attack filmer probably not even on the giant-format sensor, if only he would exchange views just the brain.

after all, is provided by the suppliers market, the sensor sizes, as well here, as the resolution necessary for each of the computational power - why not serve there.

But: for all the right brain from the project drawer pull - if only it would go easy.

But what I do not quite make sense, which is 2 / 3 "fixed-zoom ... hard to imagine that the higher production costs of an additional model calculates synonymous if the cost bayonet dropped. a kit-zoom, as it is from The DSRL breich-known, would probably be a more viable solution.
might be synonymous, but only the red release button away s.bajonet.
we'll see (and we hope we soon - or at least in the foreseeable time.)



Antwort von carstenkurz:

I spoke of RAW in the moving field. The codecs are to be made in all previous Stillimage cameras with video functionality, quality is far less than what the cameras in Stillbereich.

- Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

"carstenkurz" wrote:
I spoke of RAW in the moving field. The codecs are to be made in all previous Stillimage cameras with video functionality, quality is far less than what the cameras in Stillbereich.

- Carsten


This is already clear to me - it happened to me just about the acceptance of raw ...

It certainly is a lot of people, not obscurely, the effort to shrink the raw processing in the non-photo area - why should it be different in the video area?

Raw is the negative of the Digtal time - no more, but it is no less synonymous.



Antwort von Valentino:

"iasi" wrote:
This is already clear to me - it happened to me just about the acceptance of raw ...

It certainly is a lot of people, not obscurely, the effort to shrink the raw processing in the non-photo area - why should it be different in the video area?

Raw is the negative of the Digtal time - no more, but it is no less synonymous.

There is, however, when moving but still a very big difference. When Stillimage is parallel to create a JPEG RAW, so you can send a photographer to Stillimage immediately.
When RED and other cameras, the RAW is somewhat different, since only a RAW file is written and no additional standard video formats such as DVCProHD.
It is almost impossible even for pure performance reasons.
Per circuit, one could record the preview picture of RED on a recorder, whereas here the Underscann as synonymous Leader of the frame would still very upset.
Especially for the daily reporting such RAW are working very obstructive. That would almost be as if we would begin in the EB sector once again turn on 16mm Color Reversal material ;-)
There are then format as ACV-and intra XDCAM clear advantage.
Then there are the families of the father of his little ones just want to capture on DVD and therefore has no interest s.einem synonymous for him easily obstructive RAW workflow.
Even a very large part of the DSLR holiday / amateur photographers usually do not even know what the RAW format and complain about why these photos are so big and can only be opened with the Canon program.
Most want to simply upload their photos but only to flicker and Co.
Just because most cameras support the RAW format means that far from being that uses it all synonymous.



Antwort von iasi:

So now you're doing, but the ambitious photographers wrong - the urlaubsfoto knipser with its kit lenses are not just the same as the out-and herschwenkende filmer holidays - but the form here and since the majority.

So my sigma DSRL synonymous with Foveon sensor requires only raw - or even jpgs which one would certainly not send herumzeigen or otherwise.

Moreover, it's not just that a hdv-cam would offer the luxury of immediately available videos - band-based cams, there are still eb area.

ultimately, is red-raw but before rather interesting to a particular group of film - just like the raw-formats in photography.
4000 ¬ are, after all, not exactly an amount that would be papa jones urlaubsvideocam fork out for his - let alone 10,000 ¬ plus plus for ff35 ...

but there are certainly people who spend thousands for some canon l lenses, even though they operate only as a photograph the hobby - then use the raw but synonymous.



Antwort von iasi:

But once again about:

I want specs and dates without a disclaimer - without that "we write a lot, but we do not shave s.end about" appendage ...

And if they do not want to define themselves, then they should write down dates and do not pay.



Antwort von Valentino:

"iasi" wrote:
But once again about:

I want specs and dates without a disclaimer - without that "we write a lot, but we do not shave s.end about" appendage ...

And if they do not want to define themselves, then they should write down dates and do not pay.

Somehow I do not understand you quite. Who write the earliest in the summer, the 2 / 3 Scarlet will come on the market, when are you then your really think Scarlet is in the hands of you not aware not appear.
Since the RED One owners have a right of first refusal, you will get before spring 2010 no camera. Type I even indicate that it will take longer.
It should be clear to you now synonymous, the difficulties will be enormous supply problems, because it is the Scarlet does not constitute a commodity like a SonyEX1.

If you invest the money rather then your not fit into another camera synonymous when it's annoying the RED constantly shifts its dates, it can not change anyway.

For the day, news reporting, which runs mostly on XDCAM or P2, only very rarely will be found here, and Tape-based media such as DigiBeta or DVCPro.
A large part of the contributions will be cut even while the already running program. Some posts go live, even from a mobile editing suite by SNG to the transmitter.



Antwort von Jan:

Oh, stop it, which is with the Red eh nix. Only promises for years ...


VG
January



Antwort von Valentino:

"Jan" wrote:
Oh, stop it, which is with the Red eh nix. Only promises for years ...

What does that have to now ask for a meaningless statement?
Until then you have a Sony / Arri hardcore fan that has to do everything with you always talk bad about RED
At first I was very skeptical about the whole synonymous, but the camera does have its raison d'etre.

The RED One is (in their field; short films / Midbuget Films Student Films & Commercials) one of the best and most-used products on the market.
Finally, one does not need a 35mm adapter must evade or more to 2 / 3 "EB cameras.
I have this year already the third feature film project with her and I must say the camera can withstand a lot.
Horror stories about RED as crashes and dropped frames are a thing of ever since the Build 16 firmware of the past.
Oh, and most importantly, it can be a lot of (people, lenders such as synonymous producers) earn their living with this camera.

Dear Jan but please just read more information about a subject before you put here in the forum simply baseless allegations in the world.



Antwort von iasi:

"Valentino" wrote:

Somehow I do not understand you quite. Who write the earliest in the summer, the 2 / 3 Scarlet will come on the market, when are you then your really think Scarlet is in the hands of you not aware not appear.
Since the RED One owners have a right of first refusal, you will get before spring 2010 no camera. Type I even indicate that it will take longer.


na when the first are delivered, at least I know what I'm waiting ... But I doubt that this is the summer or even this year, a buyer, a scarlet hold in their hands.



Antwort von carstenkurz:

I believe that Jan simply has only the smiley not deemed necessary in his attempt at a running gag ...


- Carsten



Antwort von carstenkurz:

I think the policy of RED entirely desirable, if not synonymous, they have the usual pattern of 'want - NOW! " equivalent. But I do not now prefer it if ne company specifically to develop a useful product status to a targeted duration of this endless series of compromises Sony, Canon & Co.

If nunmal their decision how they organize their business buys, who does not, stop somewhere else. The management of Red with the customer so far has been extremely fair. One may assume that RED has certainly learned how to deal with the demand for the Scarlet. Since a couple of R1 owners with right of first refusal should not play a major role even more. A good part of the demand will focus on before the various other models since then at least next year gibts ja plenty Choice. Annoyed from my personal view is just the brain sharp price jump between the 2 / 3 "and the S35.


- Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

"carstenkurz" wrote:
I think the policy of RED entirely desirable, if not synonymous, they have the usual pattern of 'want - NOW! " equivalent. But I do not now prefer it if ne company specifically to develop a useful product status to a targeted duration of this endless series of compromises Sony, Canon & Co.



but why they have changed their policy?
Finally, it is called now synonymous with red suddenly: no infos

surely sony, canon & co had already synonymous podukte in the pipline, which were then canceled - only I had not previously know Tinted large - after all, was not something in the tone of voice as "3k for 3k ®" can be heard or read ...
I think about these errors should be allowed to have a little upset ...

... to announce that red again fails to comply with announced dates without considering synonymous something that is little better ...

Moreover, I'll buy one product and no firm

... the product is good, then I'll take it - no preference what is written on it ...

dates of scarlet liked - especially the small ... provided him there and not another vendor offers something better, to buy myself a (; synonymous or perhaps two) Scarlets ... if ...

I already had last year ordered 3k for 3k (; and they might even get this summer) ...

way:
canon that has replenished the manual settings with the new firmware for the 5dII surprised me very - and speaks for canon ...
see if canon, sony & co red again this time as easy as with the r1 ... I think, is the raw format of the truly trump, the red ahead of the others have - not the hardware ...



Antwort von carstenkurz:

I really can not be bothered to converse in RED threads about it in early August, the summer will be over. If RED would publish at the same level as you had your half-baked suppositions - THEN you to be really pissed off for a reason.
RED has not been observed so far announced no date for the Scarlet. Point.

Just because you think it will be so sorry, that's too thin.


Ciao - Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

Oh yes - the r1 is a great way comes - if not synonymous for low-or no-budget, as many still think ...

I think also that not every project requires 35mm - the depth of field should not necessarily be so low, so it looks like a cinema ...



Antwort von iasi:

"carstenkurz" wrote:

RED has not been observed so far announced no date for the Scarlet. Point.

Ciao - Carsten


Last year - I have to say more?



Antwort von Chezus:

RED indeed similar to some of the product policy of Apple actually not bad what I think.

Only Apple provides finished products before, and she brings to the market after the announcement

RED presents product studies, however, distributed s.ausgewählte DPs unfinished products, etc. And then eventually published a half-finished product which can be bought almost anywhere.
Banana policy as it stands in the book.

Sorry, but I was very synonymous with the enthusiasm of what RED has achieved, but they now need to refill belonging to the train not to miss. Canon is its niche with video camera was on the fast lane and has the full attention of many indie filmmakers have searched for news of the Scarlet drooling.

I think RED super-itself, but it is really annoying as it is covered and how long they keep rauszögern everything.



Antwort von carstenkurz:

The Scarlet was never announced for last year.

The RedOne now located at 6500 units sold, and there is no delivery. Meanwhile, RED has brought dozens of expensive add-on products on the market - including several complete objective series, very high USDI Master Primes, and modified RedRocket.

But now the summer for Scarlet is already over, huh?

No, people, Red is not the problem but the wrong expectations and the lack of knowledge about the processes and practices in this company. Simply Red-times more often in the forum to read, rather than make meaningless conjecture. I know of no company that is about its product announcements, publications and internals as open as Red Nowhere else can the chief nicks so openly about the latest developments. Man, it just needs to take note of just want.
From 'leave in the dark' can there be no question. From the other dealing with the company to its customers not to speak. But can not read who must stop suspect.

- Carsten



Antwort von iasi:

"carstenkurz" wrote:
The Scarlet was never announced for last year.

...

No, people, Red is not the problem but the wrong expectations and the lack of knowledge about the processes and practices in this company. Simply Red-times more often in the forum to read, rather than make meaningless conjecture. ... But can not read who must stop suspect.

- Carsten


na when the notice was not red scarlet 3k for 3k ® last year and have really been month on the market would have to be before a year I've been dreaming.

the red-forum has now evolved into a religious community - which should be there already infos can be found.
Jarred because every now and then throws a few nebulous out rates or is even painted bildchen pure and even breaks out the cheers.
information policy has become the reds for red problem, because not every potential customer likes to play the younger.

against the red-products can no longer say, as against those of other manufacturers - but much to recommend them.

Small digression:
Of prime series can expect the master must be synonymous, but that they are high quality - for 4000 ® per piece.
The used glasses are from the same factory halls, as the competing products - such as red then marketed and installed, is the art, the red well controlled.
leica can fotoobjeektiv for his 50s synonymous eg 5 times as much pay as zeiss for his own.

of the kit-scarlet-optics will probably no longer synonymous quality of the lenses may be expected as it canon, sony & co offer - this is the logical conclusion ...

and synonymous here we come back to the point:

it's just a lot more of imputed spielraum a prime 4000 ®, 4000 ® than with a zoom camera - I fear that the dog is buried here: is it just the price of each schräubchen on when volume is high and non-profit prices aspires.


The modular system is more of a joke anyway:

scarlet 2/3-kit: 4000 ®
Scarlet 2 / 3: brain ® 2500
FF35: 10,000 brain ® ® + 18-50 and 50-150 15,000 + ...

honestly:
Who is a 19,000 ® master prime serie brain before a 2500 ®?
especially as it would then only louder nice tele.

The same problem arises with the epic-brains:
at a 617pro enough for me not a 1080p monitor, let alone the recording of an epic module s35.
conversely, one wonders then, why should the necessary brain power of a 617-module-pay, if you use only one brain-s35.

because then the recording module is the scarlet 2 / 3 "the same as that of the epic 645H?
And it cost lcd cable then for the 2 / 3 "as much as an epic? for the r1-lcd cable required red after all, 1 / 10 of what the brain is expected to cost 2 / 3".



Antwort von iasi:

na was, after all red now so honest and has the specified periods of the phenomenon away ... So wait and see and drink tea ...

little time to the people thanks to the red-raw-formats can still - there will be here soon ... where no konkurrenz




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