Frage von Scallywag:
Hello.
I am very interested in the 707 SD camcorder.
Currently I have a Sony full HD camcorder (CX115) which convinced me, however limited.
I expect of the Panasonic better image quality because this has 3 sensors for recording.
However, I do not really need 1080p, as my playback devices can only 1080i. Above all, my Samsung LCD, which can play 1080i directly of the SD Card, then I could no longer use without first converting the video.
Sure, I could convert 1080p to 1080i, but I wonder if I take not just only in 1080i. If the difference is - synonymous for the future - so great, it's worth it 1080p?
I just want a high quality solution, but requires little effort. I would not really need to convert.
What my her? Is the SD707 in 1080i still significantly better than my Sony With only one sensor?
Antwort von Replay:
I turn the question around times. What bothers you s.der CX115? Maybe it's what, what the SD707 can not synonymous better.
At least in one point, the CX115 requires the SD707. The CX115 offers 24 Mbps for 1080i. And it can be critical by motives not bring calm, showing no artifacts or harshness burglaries. There would, for example in the consumer HD very critical swing on trees with leaves in the wind fidgeting.
Important: The 2010 Panasonic are nice computers. This means that the equipment provided with the picture of an artificial field, but better only on the first glance, / sharper, on second glance, but some hefty drawbacks can be seen. It may be that it flickers in image areas with high contrast or fine details weggeschärft, which blurred the picture at first sight but still shows. Which means that you should just leave and not look a the first impression and making fun of the show at first sight blurred picture more details.
The Sony's all supply a very harmonious picture, that is synonymous the CX115.
You can take out at the Panasonic this artificial sharpness but what I recommend in all cases. The SD707 offers lots of manual intervention and basic settings, which you should use synonymous.
EDIT:
I just read your other post. Dull colors, the CX115 in any way. That's just not a sweet video camera, which exaggerated the colors completely. The CX115 produces very natural colors, you do not mess around behind it anymore. And the sound would you lie down with the SD707 a step backwards, because there is very little camcorder, the built-in micro is as good as the CX115. The CX115 does not restrict the height, the SD707, already, the result sounds a bit dull / musty. And the SD707 has a fan, make people feel this to be annoying.
Greetings
Replay
Antwort von Jitter:
This question you will answer only to you yourself, after you filmed with the 707 and have compared with the CX 115th Everybody has their own standards. I have the 707 times of borrowed a friend to see if the distance from my Canon HV 20 is so large that the transition worthwhile. If I would have to buy a new camcorder because my old acknowledged the service, my choice would fall safely to the 707, the difference in picture quality I found for an immediate change but too small. I came out here just the impression of moving pictures and not, as is usual in tests, is of still images of identical motifs. Incidentally, the synonymous difference between 1080i and 1080p, you should not be overestimated.
More important, I find that the 707 number and allows manual intervention with an external microphone can be operated.
I can be your desire to create something new, but well understand. Recently I have seen in the 707 serious retail for 690 ¬. As you can already be weak, but I've held back.
Antwort von painter:
Hi,
wow, 690th - for the 707er?
I have the dates for my D600, 650 - put down ...!
Other question again: has anyone ever actually tried to insert the SD600 or a dip in housing 707er? Clearly they have not a Lancanschluß, but there are still other possibilities, but the fan would then surely the killer, right?
Greetings Painter
Antwort von Scallywag:
Would you like me more so of the 707 and advise me a better-equipped Sony it? My requirements did you even read. Since there are some great models of Sonyja synonymous. I just wonder whether Sony's synonymous with the better the picture quality even better, since all of the same sensor in it, is not it?
Overall I am satisfied with the Sony already, but I do not annoy me in 5 years that I would get for NEN few extra ¬ läpische a better camcorder, such as the SD707. Or is it not so?
I turn the question around times. What bothers you s.der CX115? Maybe it's what, what the SD707 can not synonymous better.
At least in one point, the CX115 requires the SD707. The CX115 offers 24 Mbps for 1080i. And it can be critical by motives not bring calm, showing no artifacts or harshness burglaries. There would, for example in the consumer HD very critical swing on trees with leaves in the wind fidgeting.
Important: The 2010 Panasonic are nice computers. This means that the equipment provided with the picture of an artificial field, but better only on the first glance, / sharper, on second glance, but some hefty drawbacks can be seen. It may be that it flickers in image areas with high contrast or fine details weggeschärft, which blurred the picture at first sight but still shows. Which means that you should just leave and not look a the first impression and making fun of the show at first sight blurred picture more details.
The Sony's all supply a very harmonious picture, that is synonymous the CX115.
You can take out at the Panasonic this artificial sharpness but what I recommend in all cases. The SD707 offers lots of manual intervention and basic settings, which you should use synonymous.
EDIT:
I just read your other post. Dull colors, the CX115 in any way. That's just not a sweet video camera, which exaggerated the colors completely. The CX115 produces very natural colors, you do not mess around behind it anymore. And the sound would you lie down with the SD707 a step backwards, because there is very little camcorder, the built-in micro is as good as the CX115. The CX115 does not restrict the height, the SD707, already, the result sounds a bit dull / musty. And the SD707 has a fan, make people feel this to be annoying.
Greetings
Replay
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Antwort von Replay:
Well, "some silly ¬" is something mildly worded, if you compare a 350 ¬ device, which is the smallest thing in a series, with the top model in a different series. The "silly ¬" mean in this case simply more than twice the price (!).
What do you mean by "better picture"? More Color? If you want wacky colors, simply turn the colors high s.der telly. The CX115 delivers fortunately at least not over turned colors and it is synonymous not too pale, it is just right. I'm surprised your statement about the colors so little. What recording quality you have set? It should be at least 17, better 24 Mbps. Is the sound quality suffer, of course, the colors and the problem is not the camcorder, the problem then has the camcorder in hand ;-)
More focus? Well, we're talking about consumer products. There are two philosophies. Either deliver the thing from a natural field (Sony) or artificially sharpens (Panasonic). Interestingly, it was just Panasonic, which provided much more natural images and the other blunders in the picture around, s.2010 reverse is true. And the exaggerated sharpness is simply Beginners-Verarsche. The funny thing is that you can even persuade the testers of artificial sharpness to give a test victory. For me such a sharp-Verarsche would mean smooth trigger. A consumer camcorder should be set at the factory properly and not sell to customers for stupid.
Turn once with a 20,000-euro device. I think you're on their field (and colors) to be disappointed. The artificial Scharf calculation is off because the factory of course, the colors of course (in such cars you can of course save your own presets on memory cards).
The SD707 is not bad with safety device. But there were some s.Grundeinstellung needed to coax the thing technically good pictures. First of all the artificial sharpness out. So sharpness to -1 or even -2. Then lift the color a bit (the SD707 is the factory so even a little pale). And now WB shift a bit towards red and what we have now? Pretty much exactly the picture of a CX115. Sure, the SD707 is better for low light and has massive manual options. But the sound is poor with standard tools. Whether 3 image converter or only one these days makes no difference.
If you really want a lot of manual controls, you are right with Panasonic. Since no one offers more.
Oh yes ... an image converter is far from being alone Picture. There are the lens and the other electronics (and software-camera) to do so.
Greetings
Replay
Antwort von csinus:
::: Then raise the colors a bit (the SD707 is the factory so even a little pale). ::: Replay no offense, but that is total nonsense!
Antwort von Replay:
And what the reason for this result is very nice statement, formulated? Only from one's own feelings?
For me, at least of calibrated vision devices. Due to the slightly red-shifted to the WB shift and the slight color boost is one example against the tendency towards the Panasonic, the sky drift off into the turquoise leave. The White Balance is moving too quickly toward blue.
The color accuracy is very good, but the colors could have said, a bit more intensity tolerated (+1, +5 would be the maximum, each step has only a tiny change to the episode).
Besides, the colors are purely subjective. I speak here only of bare technical facts.
Antwort von csinus:
And what the reason for this result is very nice statement, formulated? Only from one's own feelings? From my own feelings and I know the reports of the entire German-speaking world forums.
Sorry if I came over too hard!
I understand this correctly that you are the propensity for turquoise in the 707 by raising the standard in the works anyway want to meet too strong color?
Antwort von Replay:
The combination (!) From a slightly red-WB and Color Shift +1 acts contrary to the tendency to turquoise. I had a 707 for testing, and these settings (including reduced sharpness) could elicit the 707 very natural looking. At Panas very important: White Balance manual make or employ at least on the presets. The auto WB is the Panas is fidgety and fast times bluish.
These extensive controls are definitely the strength of the Panas. It is synonymous but not bad if the factory settings are already optimal, as the reason for the CX115. And it is precisely this balance which makes it the CX115 very very intersting and friendly camcorder.
In this case, this should only be clarified whether the sluggish colors only be caused by a too low data rate.
Greetings
Replay
Antwort von csinus:
I had a 707 for testing, and these settings (including reduced sharpness) were 707 very natural images elicit. .... In the field I'm definitely with you, if I synonymous your explanations / conclusions hold for a bit exaggerated.
But with respect to the color you lie unfortunately completely wrong with your opinion postulated.
The sharpness of the 707 is re-sharpening, despite the best I've seen in this price category - synonymous to sharpen the other!
And of course we must never forget the motion resolution. 1080p50 is theoretical, technically and practically unique feature of the 50p (amateur) Panasonics. Anyone who has compared p50 zooms, pans or movements in the picture with the 707 non-p50-Cams, who knows the (benefits of) the sharpness of 707
Replay no offense, but that's a lot of bullshit what you have written here.
Sorry again, but ne nice talk incorrect opinion with many sentences does not help.
Regardless of which could be 707 but improved in a number score - eg too much turquoise, bad sound - lame even at lower volume, incomprehensible rumhakelnder and for price stability over too many settings that - especially in 5.1, useless windscreen, electrically controlling micro Touch screen - too few direct links, work specifications regarding color / brightness / sharpness do not fit, Resolutionvon View Finder and Touch Screen lousy, flickering in problem areas such as wire mesh fence / tiles / Curtains / trees etc, zoom motor can be heard at the faster zoom in sound, no adjustment of the ( false) defaults in Autiomatitkmodus possible, reasonable free resetting some user settings when off-cam, etc. ....
Antwort von xinon:
The sharpness of the 707 is re-sharpening, despite the best I've seen in this price category - synonymous to sharpen the other!
And of course we must never forget the motion resolution. 1080p50 is theoretical, technically and practically unique feature of the 50p (amateur) Panasonics. Anyone who has compared p50 zooms, pans or movements in the picture with the 707 non-p50-Cams, who knows the (benefits of) the sharpness of 707 progressively sharper than interlaced. yes. a true 720p50 camcorder delivers sharper images synonymous cam as a 1080i25.
But - what does? the topic-starter looking for a camera with 1080i ... because nothing brings everything progressive.
