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Frage von debaser144:
Mai 2008

First of all hello and thank you for this great forum. I've got a lot to ask and it just bubbles out of me, I would dankabar if you give me a few tips on the following topics if you can give her the time to:

I am looking for a camera in the first line the "film look" as close as possible to, because I fall in the entrance examination to the Film Academy in Vienna will try, for which I will turn 3 shorts.
You should be especially good in lowlight values, because my movies tend to be dark;). (Canon XH A1?)
also would be a true 25p mode is desirable. (may the XH a1?)
Since I am yet to start but I do not know how much I
non-existent or poor Automatic setting of XH s.behindern / overload, on the other hand, I would like to use longer synonymous camera for subsequent projects and not just buy a new
(for music videos, art, movies)
Since I am more of a spontaneous type I, and synonymous himself in my film will play sometimes (especially in the first study mission "cv"), I wonder whether the sun will once again another standing and has the perfect setting for the light has passed through I use the Canon XH s.adjustiert have?
So it's a camera for studio recordings as synonymous outside during the day and at dusk / night.

How good are the JVC HD models? which allegedly have a "true" 25p mode (my budget is around the 3000 euro)

And what models of sony would be in this price class in question.
The HX200 is panasonic anyway from the frame with their expensive P2 cards
So favored HDV.
and with the extra cost, I must still reckon (stativ etc. ..?)

how important is a time code released for postproduktion?
probably work with adobe premiere and have been pro tools for audio post-production.
Furthermore, the connectors should have the camera (HDMI, firewire, XLR)
Sound is important to me seht am audiophile;)

So they were now a plenty, I'm asking for any antwort grateful, I'm slightly overwhelmed at the moment ;-)

so long

Mario



Antwort von Eugen von ...:

Hello,

¬ 3000 if your total budget, comes the Canon XH-A1 from the race.
If s.accessories does not exist yet and you have no more than ¬ 3000 to spend want are my recommendations:

Canon HV20/30
Wideangle
35mm Lens
Velbon DV7000
Microphones: Micro is a good guide (with battery power)
a good large diaphragm (eg Audio Technica 2020) + Audio Interface

With which program you cut? As with the hardware looks like?

lg aus OÖ



Antwort von debaser144:

hv20/30 when you can not really adjust it?

hm-cutting program, I thought s.adobe avid premiere instead, as it is beginner-friendly.
pc: intel quad core 4gb ram

How much does it cost to zusatzaustattung ca, because I canon or sony models, perhaps a little less can get. and in the HV20, I am just not sure because a pure consumer model and whether it is then for subsequent projects still insufficient.

thank you for your infos and beautiful after OÖ grüsse :-)





Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Anonymous" wrote:
... ... 35mm Lens

Regardless s.welche definition for "35mm Lens" you think as part of the proposed equipment HV20, it is absolutely senseless.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von comix:

"Bernd E." wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote:
... ... 35mm Lens

Regardless s.welche definition for "35mm Lens" you think as part of the proposed equipment HV20, it is absolutely senseless.

Gruß Bernd E.

No.. A 35mm adapter is wonderful s.einer HV20 deliver results.



Antwort von Eugen von ...:

http://www.vimeo.com/399352


exactly what I meant!

http://www.findinternettv.com/ video, tag, + Letus Mini + Canon HV20 + + test + video, i, 1.aspx

lg aus OÖ



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"comix" wrote:
... A 35mm adapter is wonderful s.einer HV20 deliver results ...

That's right, only I was not aware that you are with "Lens" adapter so you meant. So, all clear!

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Eugen von ...:

Quote:
hv20/30 when you can not really adjust it?


http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Tips/ Canon HV20 image parameter professionally-kontrollieren.html

http://www.fxsupport.de/01_Canon_HV20.html

lg aus OÖ



Antwort von PowerMac:

"comix" wrote:
(...) A 35mm adapter (...)


There is a difference between "35mm adapter" and "35mm Lens".
Who is self-contradictory expression, is misunderstood.



Antwort von schlaflos011:

Sorry, I wered me in the future try to be always logged ;-)

Quote:
How much does it cost to zusatzaustattung ca, because I canon or sony models, perhaps a little less can get. and in the HV20, I am just not sure because a pure consumer model and whether it is then for subsequent projects still insufficient.


So my Zusatzaustattung for the HV20:

http://geizhals.at/?fs=Velbon +7000 & x = 0 & y = 0 & in =

http://www.foto-mundus.de/...weitwinkel-raynox...

http://www.foto-mundus.de/...gegenlichtblende...

Sound external:

http://www.friendlyhouse.at/...edirol_ua-25...
Audio Technica 4040
and http://www.friendlyhouse.at/...audio_technica_at2020...

Indicative micro + XLR to TRS adapter
http://www.musik-service.de/...Sennheiser-K-6...
http://www.musik-service.de/sennheiser-mzq-6-prx395751507de.aspx
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm.nsf/root/03284
http://www.musik-service.de/...Sennheiser-ME-66...

When I Audiokram - I have good experience in the big T. made (bad music store) and Vienna are in tone color and Friendly House to recommend - the prices with Thoma able.

lg aus OÖ

Edit from Mod: Some links shortened.



Antwort von comix:

My HV20 Equipment:
35mm adapter (vibrating)
A flipped rig (for the correct picture)
Achromat 10x
Nikon 1.8 50mm lens
Rode VideoMic + Deadcat
Handyman 100 Steadycam
A bunch of rings and adapters
This is eBay's minutiae, such as batteries, chargers, solar panels.

I think everything has s.die 2500 ¬ tasted. Forget the XH-A1 if your budget is only 3000 ¬. The accessories is what your money auffrisst. If you have a XH-A1 you still need things like WW, Micro, tripod, bag, filter, sun visors (which everything is COMPULSORY for each camcorder).
And if you have a small DOF (more or less film look) like, you can at least ¬ 800 beat it. A HV20, you can equip with all this, and until _locker_ under your limit. For some, is synonymous prof. Appearance is important. If your HV20 well equipped, it is in look, the big coequal.

Meien investments were worth cursed again, there is no regret piece;)



Antwort von schlaflos011:

Hello comix

where you have the 35mm adapter and
the rig and flipped Handyman 100 Steadycam
ordered?



Antwort von comix:

The 35mm adapter is of http://35mmadapters.googlepages.com/ - no big difference to the great of Brevis, Letus, etc. - as long as one has suitable ground glass.

The rig is flipped IndiFocus.com of a modified form for hv20.com Forum, the development was completed before 2 weeks. I am now the first and only German has the one.
http://hdmuse.com/images/DSC_0052.jpg

The Steadycam on eBay, I have shot, that was about half a year ago for 400 ¬. New cost of 800 ¬ thing as far as I know. From the quality I would just beneath Merlin position.



Antwort von ef.multimedia:

How would it be with a SonyHDR FX7. It is such a compromise from Canon XH A1 and HV20. Let the 35mm adapter and away leg still ¬ 500 for accessories (tripod, microwave ,...) drauf. Truly a great camera.



Antwort von Markus:

@ Schlaflos011

If hyperlinks are very long and can not be wrapped, then chopped up the layout and you have to scroll sideways when reading.

Look here how to avoid it: use BBCode to links with the request to post the text (English). Your above links, I have meanwhile reduced.
_________________
Sincerely,
by moderator



Antwort von Eugen von ...:

A HV 20 or HV 30 is a scenic work completely for Quark. The manual controls are so cumbersome to use, it is not nice. Try a real Henkelmann to get the upper. When you first start anyway, would be to consider whether you not only with a reasonable SD Camera run.
Can a Canon, I would from my own experience recommend a Sony. VX2100 possibly beyond the budget, but the 1000 is missing apart from the display sometimes is not bad.

Forget but in any case the Winzdinger. The free hand is possibly something with its shoulder mounted camcorder good, then just another Henkelmann. These plastic flumsigen Dinger knarzen and wabbeln terribly.

Eugen



Antwort von debaser144:

"ef.multimedia" wrote:
How would it be with a SonyHDR FX7. It is such a compromise from Canon XH A1 and HV20. Let the 35mm adapter and away leg still ¬ 500 for accessories (tripod, microwave ,...) drauf. Truly a great camera.


hdr höhrt the FX7 is very interesting that what I said at the technical data, she had noticed only in interlaced and not progressive, with this war I will ever look out the film?



Antwort von Markus:

"debaser144" wrote:
[hdr-FX7] ... with this war, I then look at all the film out?

No camcorder can produce a film look, because the priority is the work by the cameraman, the effect of light and have various other things. If you look at a half hour and take time with this descriptor other contributions (in the Forum, the Internet) reads, then you'll know how it is with a FX7 is possible, "kino moderate" images.



Antwort von comix:

"Eugene of ..." wrote:
A HV 20 or HV 30 is a scenic work completely for Quark. The manual controls are so cumbersome to use, it is not nice. Try a real Henkelmann to get the upper. When you first start anyway, would be to consider whether you not only with a reasonable SD Camera run.
Can a Canon, I would from my own experience recommend a Sony. VX2100 possibly beyond the budget, but the 1000 is missing apart from the display sometimes is not bad.

Forget but in any case the Winzdinger. The free hand is possibly something with its shoulder mounted camcorder good, then just another Henkelmann. These plastic flumsigen Dinger knarzen and wabbeln terribly.

Eugen

I would not say that. With the necessary accessories stings you, depending on the camera, good one to two classes on everything from;)

You can always with his camera accessories provide. Be it Schulterpads, decent handles, or synonymous with NEN adapter follow focus. This can often handle the men's pack. But this is obviously a budget issue synonymous ...



Antwort von ef.multimedia:

So I had problems myself a Canon HV20 on the shoulder to pack. That just looks ridiculous from.



Antwort von DWUA:

@ Debaser144

Eugen and Mark are absolutely right!

As Mark says, you will (hopefully) to your
Studies (in specific) have grasped.
Stop, Look of Film to speak before you know what it
is meant.

Recently, with a (young) a director ö.r. TV "institution"
had an opinion:
The "girls / guys" should be rather afraid of the best
Equipment and have less prior to their own impartiality.

Spontaneity is more in demand than ever. Versatility is desired.
Playful work with ideas is missing; synonymous with
University applicants.
Those taking possession of visual technology on the idea
almost by itself documented.
The word "creativity" is first time out.

The focus on technology should be only
not "mitschmecken".
That alone should be enough to support decent potential
to recognize.

Entrance exam?
Anybody seriously believes that the jury were all excited of
and because of the latest technology?
There is something quite different ...

Eugene is right with his proposal.
Although now once again aufgeheult should be;
( "the can not - that can not ")...
A PD 170 provides for the above budget and for the above
listed requirements, rights, needs almost to.



Antwort von DWUA:

@ Debaser144

Achso totally lost:

Applications sought in the autumn?
What is Autumn? 2009?

Well, the questions!

Is not that like in a gym ...

;))



Antwort von PowerMac:

It is exciting to see how the journey of some film students runs.
I myself have about three and a half years with the film started. My top was a Panasonic DVX100A. But then I knew nothing of cameras and camera technology. Later I became a disciple technology. I knew myself very well. Then I concentrated on films. I was good or was lucky and was soon quite well mitmischen television productions. Now, after three and a half years but only begins the scenic journey. Everything before has the knowledge of the target, thus the buy a ticket, the entrance to the tram and five minutes with the tram ride. Now I am mistaken and s.Hauptbahnhof around. In search of the ICE train to Hamburg. And with the hope of a seat reservation. If once I am in this train, I drive about six hours. But I'm on the train. After Hamburg, additional short trips to Moscow. Eventually, however, even then the journey begins with the Trans-Siberian Railway.



Antwort von DWUA:

The compartments are full of travelers who have not yet
even have the same goal ...
And always grow more passengers than from.

;)



Antwort von debaser144:

many thanks for all the reply.
I focused primarily on the technical details and not an instruction to the subject of art.
Maybe I have to ask synonymous with indistinct formulated and some schlagwörtern apparently going for some los s.dessen alarm bell sounds, I'm not really interested.

because now cinema bilder times in 25 frames are shown, I wanted to know whether it
that makes a difference whether the camera is now interlaced or progressive recording, and as I said at the sony only 1080i (interlaced so) in the technical data have found, I wanted to know what impact this has.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Gude

Here
As someone here said recently almost literally appositely relating to: "Find for you - s.schönsten look - and stick to the mode (i / p)."

Alla
MfG
B. DeKid




Antwort von B.DeKid:

grr - double posted sorry



Antwort von PowerMac:

"debaser144" wrote:
(...) With some schlagwörtern go for some seemingly los s.dessen alarm bell sounds, I'm not really interested. (...)


Thus, in the forum. Maybe you're not interested. You should see it but his.



Antwort von robbie:

At least in the autumn comes the realization. Be it whether he accepts (or better said: to see whether it is) but that you may need more than a good camera to have, or that there are still any who still may be a bit more.



Antwort von debaser144:

"robbie" wrote:
At least in the autumn comes the realization. Be it whether he accepts (or better said: to see whether it is) but that you may need more than a good camera to have, or that there are still any who still may be a bit more.


I think my is bigger ;-)



Antwort von Monk:

Debasser Hello!
This is a good thing, the s.sich who does not believe has been lost, but only faith alone is not synonymous.

So much of success Monk from Vienna.



Antwort von Eugen von ...:

"comix" wrote:
With the necessary accessories

ebent :-) da biste synonymous already priced s.Henkelmann and need even more pocket ne ... :-)))
The serious beginner (!), I would always have the camera with the s.einfachsten-to-use manual ways, because the handheld now you're not match for lack of space.
After all, what use the opportunities when they are due to handling Fummel but not used?
I believe, who (full-) manual film, it is synonymous with the automatic cope :-)))

Eugen



Antwort von Eugen von ...:

"DWUA" wrote:

Eugene is right with his proposal.

I revise the extent that not all tiny knarzen and squeak :-)

Eugen



Antwort von Eugen von ...:

"debaser144" wrote:

I focused primarily on the technical details and not an instruction to the subject of art.

One is sometimes with the other more serrated than you think. The self-classification as "Beginners" is synonymous for one or other quasi-provoking answer ...

Eugen




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