Frage von Seppl0815:
Hello!
I mainly would like for my year abroad (and synonymous for later), a camcorder growth. What will I do with them. First, it should be a personal diary, but on the other hand, synonymous for all recordings of various events (both indoors outdoors as synonymous)
I want to with hard drive, since I did not want a lot of tapes or CD's are not synonymous and rumzuschleppen planned after the films somehow want to edit. I will simply leave raw.
If somehow synonymous so ne kind of night light (infrared, etc. ..) have, so I perhaps synonymous evening NEN few recordings do.
What can you recommend me as? What is it with the Resolutionaus? What a man needs to look at the films later on nem stinknormalen Television to be able, without anything on such a size verpixelt need to consider?
The price should not really the ¬ 350-400 mark.
DANKE schon mal.
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Find the homepages of the major manufacturer Sony, Panasonic, Canon and JVC on and click through the offer.
For 300-400 euros, however, it should be very difficult, a new device with hard drive and then still synonymous with NightShot (night vision function) to get. I maintain a try: impossible.
Find the standard SD cameras, so nothing with HDV. You need not.
In general, hard drive camcorders on the producer side is a separate heading. As can be quickly informed.
The time I've used now, so my contribution to type, together with the time you spent for your contribution, you have probably already been to the first information of the manufacturer's sites and collect you come to the conclusion to be that your desired combi in your price range is not likely to give.
Antwort von Seppl0815:
On the various pages of the Manufacturer, I certainly have found a few models. Have even found one, which costs only 270 ¬. But I thought that her models here knows that is not recommended, and models that can well recommend.
Therefore I write here so synonymous. Otherwise I would have the basis of synonymous pure facts could decide.
What do you think of them:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a234022.html
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a232573.html
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a189404.html
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a255081.html
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a232572.html
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a234644.html
Antwort von Daigoro:
Maybe this helps the next:
http://www.chip.de/artikel/Test-Harddisks-Camcorder_28720683.html
Since virtually all of your linked camcorder (or its sister models) tested in detail.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Forget Harddisks models and buying a used camcorder to mini DV recording and still image ne separate function. The all times better.
Models of Sony DCR Are for little money to get on EBAY for example.
Mini DV s actually get anywhere in a year and are the standard for use as round 20 plus minus 5 cassettes
That is beyond the scope of popular fast harddisks models. From the problem of "the hard drive Hupps putt ... What is now" not even talk.
A tape holding "forever" and is synonymous to other devices later be dubbed.
CLEAR RECOMMENDATION MINI DV ... nix Gedo hard ... just pure gaming. Saves you s.der wrong body
It was the talk of our FireStore products ;-)
Antwort von Meggs:
Your minimal quality requirements: On a normal television can watch, without being totally verpixelt looks, all camcorder safely meet the brand manufacturer.
With a hard disk camcorder and 1 years Auslandsaufenthalt is the crucial question: Is the capacity of your hard drive? Would also be borne in mind: hard drive camcorders are sensitive to vibrations. If the panel gives up the spirit, your entire recordings are over. But you sure myself clearly synonymous.
Antwort von baerfot:
Hello!
If the hard disk camcorder so "bad" to be, for whom are all suitable for?
If the disk is full, the data on my laptop over to play. The fact I have with it, so there are no full hard problem.
If you said, despite my claims and possibilities still believes that the hard drive camcorders are bad, what what would you recommend me?
THANK YOU
Antwort von Markus73:
If the hard disk camcorder so "bad" to be, for whom are all suitable for? For people who can convince themselves that tapes are outdated and do not realize that a post-sense ;-)
If the disk is full, the data on my laptop over to play. The fact I have with it, so there are no full hard problem. Do you backup? Hard die fast.
If you said, despite my claims and possibilities still believes that the hard drive camcorders are bad, what what would you recommend me? Mini-DV, as already mentioned.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Seppl0815:
For people who can convince themselves that tapes are outdated and do not realize that a post-sense ;-) I have NEVER persuade me here and make claims that tapes are old-fashioned. And secondly, I simply do not have time to LUST and the desire to edit the films. And if you accept synonymous. Because I know even s.besten what I do with the film wants.
Secondly, I wanted to take the tapes not because one is only 60 to 90 minutes it gets, and I have no desire s.Ende a backpack full of tapes mitzuschleppen. Für nen short the thing is super, because as with one or two bands anymore, but not for long trip to the poor.
It also means for bands, if they want Digitizer, every 1 to 1 of your choice. And the 20 pieces can not last forever. As USB is something done quickly.
Hard die fast. Who says so? If any hard drive died after 4 months? There are always some disadvantages to everything, synonymous for tapes. Therefore, this argument does not quite understand.
Mini-DV, as already mentioned. Then I would be almost did not come ;-)
I think certain models of course. Are there any, what would you advise? What can you recommend. What do I need in my application on it do??
THANK YOU
Antwort von Eva Maier:
In Bavaria, at the clocks go Seppl always something different.
They are rich, have much money and probably soon in many cameras.
As the economy hums and now we wisswen why.
Antwort von Markus73:
I have NEVER persuade me here and make claims that tapes are old-fashioned. And secondly, I simply do not have time to LUST and the desire to edit the films. How you relate my answer to you? You generally asking you and I have two general points as a reply. If you're from my reply to read that I am not much of Festplattencamcordern think, then you have right, but that was not related to you.
With the post is also a very personal assessment of me, because I find it after several experiences of this kind always feel as cruelty, unedited amateur video to be. But ok, this has nothing to seek here.
It also means for bands, if they want Digitizer, every 1 to 1 of your choice. And the 20 pieces can not last forever. As USB is something done quickly. Ok, but always remember that MPEG2-based recording (as in hard drive and DVD), depending on the application has significant deficits with raises. If you do not want to cut, then the first time no preference, but maybe we will anyway keep the option open, then the individual but to do so.
Hard die fast.
Who says so? If any hard drive died after 4 months? I say das And I mean not that any hard drive dies early, only that hard disks tend to break without warning to go, and often at a fairly arbitrary date, with the age of the device in any context, . That is my experience from 12 years of system support.
I meant: It's pretty naive to rely on only ONE data saved somewhere to leave and hope they remain synonymous. With MINI-DV get your car with the same backup to the tapes if you aufbewahrst.
I think certain models of course. Are there any, what would you advise? What can you recommend. So very directly as a quick shot: Panasonic GS320. This is the ultimate all-rounder, so you can virtually nothing wrong.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Markus73:
In Bavaria, at the clocks go Seppl always something different.
They are rich, have much money and probably soon in many cameras.
As the economy hums and now we wisswen why. Come visit me something and I'll show you that we are not all the same ;-)
Gruß,
Markus (from Munich) :-)
Antwort von baerfot:
I believe in your claims you can with a Festplattencam already be happy.
Some Slashcam enjoy it only to other people rumzuhacken because their sense of superiority, and largest, inviolable knowledge gives. In this spirit, it is only understandable that technologically sensitive equipment they quickly abandon the spirit;
The best is perhaps time to arrange the camcorder, a test must be carried out if he makes you happy, if necessary, exchanged.
From me, however, synonymous of the haunting Note: quality rather than quantity ..., restriction does not in digital times
What else have fun abroad.
Many greetings from Bavaria s.Eva.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
SonyDCR PC 330 E
I have a camera as a second
Good Optics; Still Image 3 MP and 320x240 videos to Memory Stick function; NightShot function, built-in flash, touch screen menu, webcam function, etc.
Main storage Mini DV
Cost for used goods (with some remaining warranty) about 350 - 500 Euro
Can I recommend the guide is easy to handle and fit.
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But other times had to come down. So edit each must ultimately, no such preference and why (or do you want the party versoffenen shots then synonymous preludes if the parents after the visit to the Nature Park ????)
Laptop or not, mini-DV has a few real benefits, but these were already mentioned.
And hard times die fast ..... NO MATTER WHOSE USE IN THE SIND.Absoluter nonsense of the guests here to there!
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As I said buy what you used and shows test results s.die then 2-3 years old.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS.
And sorry but ...... I can understand Eva .... I thought we would always synonymous for entry to Bavaria for a visa .... is not that a "free state"? - Say Country in its own country? I've often synonymous the impression that your what gets mixed into the water? As a separate state with its own Bundesliga would always synonymous of your 2 clubs are Meister, or? And whom I ankucke up your team, well then I understand your policy is not really leadership?
Na solls but what was with the Romans and the Gladiators otherwise ;-) And good Money is always among the "neighbors" deserve. That is what I like s.Bayern!
Antwort von Jan:
Well once again it exaggerates a little.
All units are 2008 HDD hybrid cameras, synonymous "sleepyhead" Sonyhat with the SR 35 now a model rausgebracht what in an emergency on the film synonymous with flash memory can record.
For JVC MG 330 / 331, it is the Micro SD card, Panasonic H 40 in the SD card, Sony, as always, hold the Memory Stick Pro Duo / Duo.
Well, on a 2 GB card fit just under 1 / 2 hour movie in best quality thing, but better than nothing for the emergency which the hard drive gets anger.
Your Nighshot has only Sony, with though I almost certainly could bet that the order in the upcoming tests will be aussschauen:
1. Panasonic SDR H 40
2. JVC GZ MG 330 / 331
3. SonyDCR SR 35
Sonyhat a dangerous mistake, they have always been small 1 / 6 "CCD shrinks again. Now is the sensor for 1 / 8" was synonymous with no test is very dangerous for Lowlight. Maybe I am rebutting the forthcoming Test Reports of Video Magazine.
Canon has in the class (yet) no camera on the market, so far only high-definition HDD. At Canon come as flash memory models, sometimes with internal memory (8 and 16 GB) - so are the 4 best known companies.
The Hinkucker is definitely the JVC, the 330er in blue and red is the size & design are difficult to beat
JVC GZ MG 330 AEX Why JVC now on the absurd idea - the favorite mobile phone Micro SD card to use - you need to ask. Large Micro SD cards are very expensive and there are really big (yet) (16 / 32 GB).
Well, that's probably just rübergeschwappt of Japan, photo manufacturer Olympus is synonymous in the future on Micro SD. Although I use the existing SD card fit - there are large capacity and cheap tickets.
Handling Touch JVC laser technology freaks should like - hold on a laser surface "long strip", the picture is often s.Sonyvorbeigezogen JVC. The Lens partnership with Konica Minoltahat JVC synonymous brought forward.
Panasonic SDR H 40 is probably the most successful H 20 inherit in 2007 almost every HDD Camcorder initial test won. The H 40 is now synonymous in the camera finally cut Sonyand JVC had this gift for quite some time. The advanced optical stabilizer is the class, the picture was at the H 20 has reference.
Whether the "Cabrio-open battery bay s.der underside now everyone likes, H 20 predecessors could Batteries numerous favorable place back - to the 4 Stündengerät CGA DU 21?
Now only 2 fit inside the battery sizes, the VBG 130 (du 14 similar) is the largest Battery. There is a possibility for a battery belt - which are small but the camera does not make as many users (used only in the professional class made Camera) - Panasonic offers this option anyway - the neck adapter called VW VH-04th
Although not wrong here - is the H 40 is a GS 90 MiniDV with hard drive. So you pay about 200 ¬ more just because the hard drive you want to use. The models are basically identical.
When H 40 you an advantage from cutting in the camera, delete individual scenes without coils, fast playback of the individual scenes, PC Software & USB cable included, and halt the 40 GB hard drive for just over 9 h recording time.
Many users are just Slashcam very MiniDV, which is the result of the good cooperation with the system since 1995.
Although I belong to synonymous - with an H (DV) and a (DV) Camera CAM.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Eva Maier:
@ Markus73
Conversely:
I'm not always rain in the pedestrian zone, hau me with a bite Andechser purely on the Viktualienmarkt / Schrannenhalle back s.die place where most people are under the assumption that there was nothing.
If da gibts nix thought nothing, only the photo department of Saturn
Stachus next to the taxi stand and s.nach home in Slashcam look what's going on.
In short order if you see something Stressieges, then I am.
Antwort von Meggs:
I think certain models of course. Are there any, what would you advise? What can you recommend. What do I need in my application on it do??
You can actually buy what you want. With all camcorders can be filmed, and further claims you do not, except that you do not have tapes "lug" want (understandable schleppst so you always with your notebook).
Purchase your NEN disk camcorder, s.besten the cheapest. Your claims s.Datensicherheit ( "not necessarily broke after 4 months") meets each synonymous.
