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Second camera on the XH-A1



Frage von XHA1owner:
Juli 2009

servus,

A1 as a backup camera for my XH I would like to buy myself a second. it should be cheaper, XLR connector would be good, otherwise I will need a 3.5 mm micro, or a 3.5 -> XLR adapter if sowas is possible (; electricity ..?)


there are so "handy-camcorder" (; from the outside like a HF10/100) 500-1200 for the usd. I've reads that are already better in image quality / noise behavior with high sensitivity (; with the XH A1, I use max +12 db)

intended use of the press is operating.

weight depending on the size / - I would like to use the cam then synonymous videos for "schappschuss" on the road.


suggestions?



Antwort von Mink:

Maybe a Canon HV20-40 with a wide angle attachment? Good image quality that is synonymous HDV and has far as I remember (this synonymous 25f mode, as the XH-A1) .... little noise in low light you'll hardly find ... XLR adapter with phantom power, there are even .... I do not know if you get off the bottom s.The HVs but not (why;?) Guck doch mal nach Beachtek XLR adapters.


Greeting ....



Antwort von XHA1owner:

super .. joa, Wide angle adapter makes sense, this is an advantageous synonymous, the XH-A1 - that we as synonymous with no-WW adapter has been fairly decent starting focal length.

I simply ask once boldly what the (; main) differed zw HV 10/100 and 20/40 is. the former are a few hunnis cheaper (; the WW adapters so synonymous yet to come ...).

That does not have smoke behave better but no worse than that of synonymous its XH A1.



Greeting!








Antwort von Axel:

"XHA1owner" wrote:
That does not have smoke behave better but no worse than that of synonymous its XH A1.


My advice is basically to not smoking cameras. The constant smoking breaks, and then the whole Gilb ...



Antwort von XHA1owner:

ah



Antwort von pailes:

"Axel" wrote:
"XHA1owner" wrote:
That does not have smoke behave better but no worse than that of synonymous its XH A1.


My advice is basically to not smoking cameras. The constant smoking breaks, and then the whole Gilb ...

I found the good:)



Antwort von XHA1owner:

Please return to the topic:)



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"XHA1owner" wrote:
... I just ask once boldly what the (; main) differed zw HV 10/100 and 20/40 is ...

RF Series: Notes on AVCHD memory card and / or hard drive on
HV-Series: Notes on HDV tape on



Antwort von Mink:

I am firmly convinced that the HVs more noise. The XH A1 is clearly a different story. Not just on weight. :) If you often go to +12 db gain (, so in "Dust" rotate the avatar), the HVs will not meet your requirements, perhaps .... But hardly a camera in the classroom.



Antwort von XHA1owner:

thank Bernd for the distinction!
I would like to jedenfall with the RF speicherkarte. are they better than the HVs with band? now I have a video light, but s.and s.mal +12 db is not bad, but that of the XH A1 has been highly perfect, especially since I of HDV to SD output runterrechne. synonymous exellent see from the stills at 12db, so I think, is still synonymous aweng bad to be good.


"Mink" wrote:
I am firmly convinced that the HVs more noise. The XH A1 is clearly a different story. Not just on weight. :) If you often go to +12 db gain (, so in "Dust" rotate the avatar), the HVs will not meet your requirements, perhaps .... But hardly a camera in the classroom.




Antwort von Kobes:

Have as a second unit to my XHA1 one HV 20, since the same company -> same basic setting Color and similar menus. And in any case, no HF 10, for which no HDV Camera, has a completely different workflow, since AVCHD is long in the post not so easily as HDV.

The HV20 is great, you can connect micro AND headsets, adjust lot, even though it annoys me when I was in the menus must be what I can do with the XHA1 with a single keystroke. But since I'm just spoiled.
From the picture quality is really great, especially when you consider that I got it as a discontinued model for 600 euros.
But an equally good noise performance as with the XHA1 You do not get at the camera. Look but only once the size of the lens to -> much light little noise. And then the HV23/30/40 has only one chip and not 3
So for me a very good supplement but not a full replacement.



Antwort von XHA1owner:

Hi!

the successor HV 30 kost ca 850 EUR

whether I am still a HV 20 for 600th - get ..

what are the main differences (nay, hope only benefits ..) the GM gg 20?


've read that the RF versions, so with AVCHD quality MiniDV s.The not get close to the wg data rate. too bad I did not find miniDV, I usually do clips of length 5-15, the read is still limited. ner with SD card, etc. I would certainly not synonymous much faster .. what's the problem istn in postproduction?

.. I'd also with the GM .. A second tape drive in the house.


- How do ne cheap HV-20?
- Differing from the AM-30?

- What's with the SDR-S100 RF S 10, SDR HF 20 / 200?

Greeting!








Antwort von Mink:

Slimmed down I believe that the HV30 over the HV20 has a bit more. But I do not want to put my hand on the fire. Maybe someone knows more. What I want to say is ... erstmal accurately compare.

HV 20 used with remaining warranty you may find.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Mink" wrote:
Slimmed down ... I think that the HV30 over the HV20 has a bit more. But I do not want to put my hand on the fire. Maybe someone knows more ...

The HV20/30 should be discussed here shäufigsten Camera: There can be with the search function of the Forum are sure to find a thread that lists the minor differences between the two. In mind, I'm something of a modified zoom lever, and drive better suppression of noise in the HV30.



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

"XHA1owner" wrote:
Hi!

the successor HV 30 kost ca 850 EUR

whether I am still a HV 20 for 600th - get ..

what are the main differences (nay, hope only benefits ..) the GM gg 20?


've read that the RF versions, so with AVCHD quality MiniDV s.The not get close to the wg data rate. too bad I did not find miniDV, I usually do clips of length 5-15, the read is still limited. ner with SD card, etc. I would certainly not synonymous much faster .. what's the problem istn in postproduction?

.. I'd also with the GM .. A second tape drive in the house.


- How do ne cheap HV-20?
- Differing from the AM-30?

- What's with the SDR-S100 RF S 10, SDR HF 20 / 200?

Greeting!


But since I have completely different information and reading tests than you where clearly confirms the HF10 in no way is worse. And not only deserve but amateurs of the people of this matter fully with their bread. I think such people may think.

edit: eg, here times a very useful test.
http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/07_08.html#040720080957



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"XHA1owner" wrote:

- What's with the SDR-S100 RF S 10, SDR HF 20 / 200?

!


Sach times as often want to ask yet?


To adjust your XH A1 only the HV range (; or even a XL H1.) ... Because it is full of no preference whether HV 20 / 30 or 40

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

"B. DeKid" wrote:
"XHA1owner" wrote:

- What's with the SDR-S100 RF S 10, SDR HF 20 / 200?

!


Sach times as often want to ask yet?


To adjust your XH A1 only the HV range (; or even a XL H1.) ... Because it is full of no preference whether HV 20 / 30 or 40

MfG
B. DeKid


Why? You mean because of the tapes?



Antwort von XHA1owner:

well then have ichgenug infors (for tape devices, HV ..)

as isn grad who was in the memory recording / AVCHD? I remember that one has since left them better the finger because of the requirements s.den cut-pc etc..

the HDV material can I edit on my subnotebook with 1.2 Ghz core2duo with no probs and render (; surprisingly) in exactly the same time as thick aufm PC.

if you jetztt says that I can throw for avchd my PC, then it turned done .. :)


PS: wolfgangs side of the file hf100_01.MTS.mpg although it looks better but not aufm PC running smoothly (and the hv20 and contrast hv30 files already)



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"AndreasBloechl" wrote:
Why? You mean because of the tapes?


Because of the resolution, the Workflow And just because it's just so ;-)


Actually, the combination of all 3 is pretty good

HV20 or 30 (as capture or bitch for low-cost alternatives, such as in the interior space of a car

XH A1 is taken as "for the hand"

turn out, and XL H1, at the Tripod on.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: Vorallem, all 3 are HDV, and the material can be cut together well.



Antwort von XHA1owner:

I see as synonymous, but how is the HD resolution with the hf100? I need of course not, but if it were better for stills - but will be very cumbersome wenns ...



Antwort von B.DeKid:

can be synonymous with Topaz .... make sure I would not mix 2 different format.








Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Well yes, but is really the only argument for the PC requirements, but even that has not be heraushören in your threads. Hence my inquiry.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"AndreasBloechl" wrote:
Well yes, but is really the only argument for the PC requirement .....


Nich because the PC requirements but because everything else makes no sense.

HDV is HDV and HDV mainly when he is filming, he should use it as a second device synonymous HDV, it is easy times.

Sure he can shoot HD and down synonymous screws later, it is synonymous SonyCam use one rather than a Canon but he should just stay HDV HDV.

Can we write off the issue so as resolved? -) Gorgeous.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: For still images the way, I was referring to the Screen Capture Progi Topaz Moment "



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

All clear. But if he has a good calculator, he could be really runterrechnen of AVCHD. I'm not sure if I would put at this stage to HDV. I myself have long considered synonymous synonymous because I could see the old SD tape burdens. I just wanted to get away of tapes, but that is another matter. So I think that it is synonymous done.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

;-) I now sit still on SD with 2 x XL1s cameras and 1x DCR PC 330e kammen And so far no complaints ... that crops up on the motives s.The scans you ;-)


MfG
B. DeKid

PS: tape can definitely still ne lot especially if you still want to rely on a recording time in years.

PS2: OT me and I'd even like to have a Plates (set camera to;) Stillimage if were not so expensive ;-) But I think it will but rather a http://www.hasselblad.de/produkte/h-system/h3dii-31.aspx da nen've got good offer and it tickles the dates in the fingers ;-))



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Well, that tape will disappear completely, but sooner or later. Synonymous, I think that perhaps it really is not the right move but I just capture the annoying sort of. Always one hours until the tape is on it and then I auftretten always the fear that dropouts do not want more. To use archive course they are not to be despised, but I think in my case with 3 ext backups on each one. I am already on the disk secure page.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

You certainly want to tell the cameras that are coming new to the market to use, then no more cartridges.

And drop out I still never felt as a problem.

I can give myself finally satisfied synonymous with memory I have of any existing BackUp solution on the market here at home. And are there "ribbons" (; Data DAT) that I am still the A and O, I do not rely on records from certain aspects.

Although I have had synonymous its own storage server in the basement with a couple of TB and 2x in changing the plates.

Well yes, but the users want to have Flash So Flash is built, but better is / are these any way.

MfG
B. DeKid

I am relatively happy so synonymous with baryta paper with photos.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"AndreasBloechl" wrote:
... always the fear that dropouts auftretten ...

When Dropoutgefahr is really so great, it's well worth the time to do what is usually avoided for good reason: the band places change. The very few cases in which I struggled with dropouts, could be traced back at least to a certain band, all places. With other bands under otherwise identical conditions, dropouts are absolutely not an issue anymore.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Yes or example. But just between us when it intressieren 1 to 3 Dropouts per tape, please?

I film for 1 h and fully on the eventual DVD will end up anyway but only about 10-15% material.

And is a Drop Out "1" Frame of 90,000 frames match in about an hour material.

So you can make yourself crazy synonymous. ;-)

So long

B. DeKid

PS: The place with the band is genuine, almost 90% of the reason for dropouts ... the remaining 10% to Start and Stop Orgies, heat, wear, drive and etc from .... I think this is in no case, a problem Arrgumente to produce what the tape right.

The reporter of the latest message in windeseile s.den sender must send, so this may deliberately uses Flash, but any home user who comes and says ... The time it takes to transfer the material, which is a vital problem for him. ... he's got just the filmed each Schei ** eh nobody intressiert.

Comparisons / See DSLR and Digi Fotoknippsen and especially the flood s.wirklich "bad" motives arise in the network. In my eyes, all just hype about nothing ;-)



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

No, I is not about one or two dropouts in a tape. That does not bother me, the bean, but what bothers me is the ever so no mess aupassen that enters into the drive of the action.

And when you stop the capture of the PC always synonymous flot else works, it can come to miss synonymous of frames. I used to have such a calculator could but half the disk capacity is no longer reasonable mitspeichern. Weis vultures what that was, I put the plate back until I had only covered half of it went again properly without any problems. The plate was synonymous not gone according to the manufacturer tool. The mistake I never can find. All this we do not stop without the tape over and you can be sure the data is synonymous 100% bit for bit just to get to the plate.
But is that all ansichtssache.

That flash is synonymous to synonymous rumzicken at once I read the öffteren. There is no halt of what it could be filed may not turn out a lot. Even your backup to named DataDate is not as secure as you think. The issue we have had times in another forum because someone had changed the product and almost nothing was legible, but since I know all about the beans anyway.








Antwort von B.DeKid:

2 Final Cases

First, you have to see time as we go to "set" with the technology and then to tell another something about dirt in the drive ;-)))

Secondly, you should back up all the double and triple, to submit it to all files and QuickPar SFV files, and otherwise just pay the insurance when push comes to shove. But what can happen when multiple backup.

Sprichh years Raid composite, external storage via NAS aka server, CD / DVD / MO, tape and outsourcing to virtual web servers hosted .... ergo, no loss. People like so I can not afford anything in return is too much money at stake.


So now extinct, and we let it be based on the Flash, the future is ... and tape is like stone tablets, cave Malerein, barite and LPs until we find what we hang like NEO s.dem cable;-P

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: I hope the thread Steller decide now after all the OT for the best what he can afford and want, without regard to what we told him, and is thus able to continue to earn his Brätchen ;-) So long ...



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Alright, I think you're right, it will be very OT here.




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