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Ist Shake 4.1 für DV geeignet ?

Shake 4.1 is suitable for DV?



Frage von Mohojote:
Januar 2007

I did the other day trial version of Shake loaded. Was synonymous out and away of the software, but the question now is whether I am with DV material into Shake compositing good results achieved.

Of course, I know that, for example, keying with DV video is limited.

Furthermore, I would still like to know how the finished film of Shake herausrendert. With the command "Render Flipbook" I is not right.

Since Shake option is to purchase, I ask you to fast answers!

Thanks in advance.



Antwort von Axel:

"Mohojote" wrote:
... but the question now is whether I am with DV material into Shake compositing good results achieved.


Yes. If anything, here. AAE is more expensive in comparison, the standard has not keying plug-ins and is just for comps with many layers in my opinion much more complex than nodes Shakes & Noodles.

"Mohojote" wrote:
Furthermore, I would still like to know how the finished film of Shake herausrendert. With the command "Render Flipbook" I is not right.


Render Flipbook "is the Vorschaurendern. For a final you need to export the> image> FileOut> (Export window appears, specify location and filename with the correct suffix, for example. "Mov" for Quicktime). In the Parameters tab of this Fileout nodes do you now, as what format the movie to render.
Finally, you take a right-click in the Fileout node (which is now the name of your movie is) and choose from the drop down Render Nodes FileOut "window appears again in the short time range" check in "1" is simply short on car Click. Then "Render" and off you go.



Antwort von CanonFanTom:

Thank you very much!

As with DV looks like? Shake Is this appropriate?








Antwort von HeikoS:

What do you mean?
DV You can edit files just like any other.



Antwort von PowerMac:

The question is not entitled s.sich. DV is not the best for editing. With such a high-quality software, you will get the most out of data to get, but no more. Your question should read: IT professional working for? Shake has nothing to do.



Antwort von CanonFanTom:

Yes sorry. I just said if the purchase of Shake's worth, for example, if I only would work with DV? Or whether, for example, AE for DV better results.

You mean, then, but only when working with DV is as Shake compositing software is not the most appropriate?



Antwort von Axel:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Yes sorry. I just said if the purchase of Shake's worth, for example, if I only would work with DV? Or whether, for example, AE for DV better results.

You mean, then, but only when working with DV is as Shake compositing software is not the most appropriate?


DV, you can just not without major effort ChromaKeyers. You can do it without a bitter loss in quality no larger scale. You can interlace material is not so easy in any way use for compositing. It also bakes bread with small DV.

AE has some advantages:
1. It is synonymous for German.
2. The accompanying literature is very extensive.
3. It can be deduced something from Photoshop.

The disadvantages:
1. So far not a Universal Binary.
2. Higher price (zT Shake 4.1 to 200 ¬ on ebay).
3. If compositing with many layers, color adjustments, etc. Bewegungskeyframes quickly became very confusing.

That is the main advantage of Shake. Levels relate to each other and literally at each setting in a single window access, and immediately see the change.

AAE synonymous way, you can as a demo version download. Just take that which gives you more. With DV both clear. Clear.



Antwort von Ulf P.:

Maybe it helps if I have my experiences even hinzugebe:
I have been working with After Effects V3 and the last two years with Shake. For me, both programs have their authorization, depending on which task is pending and what result you want erziehlen. When it comes to graphics or animated masks, simple color grading and effects should be included and in the rather short sequences, such as for DVD menus and trailers are required, then I still After Effects (which was a very rough representation of the possibilities of AFX, AFX user like me to forgive). This program is of course much more possible if it is well known. Highly recommended, in my opinion, are the Books of Trish Meyer and Chris Meyer: After Effects in Production and Creating motion graphics with After Effects, which is a good entry into this area.
Shake serves a field for which After Effects has been thought not. Differentiated Colorcorrection long or multiple takes, complex compositing, use of light and shade from a large number of sources and the rapid transmission of the nodes by setting up its own capacity for programming settings (so you can), the program is rather longer and more extensive projects charger.
As for the quality, I must say that the processing of high-quality not so Matrial in Shake is better. There have been so simple things, like the scaling of admittedly bad DV material, which is still acceptable in Shake completed the form, where, however, AFX ungeignete renderings notes.
I work, as I said, with both programs and it is for me the best work environment.

Greeting Ulf P.



Antwort von Mohojote:

Thank you for your great tips and opinions. Thank you!

Since your so experienced "Shaker" are still a question:

Have you got some good tips as I shake with the best possible Keyingergebniss hinbekommen in DV?

So if I never worked a two-effects applying to the blue screen to improve or Deinterlace or something in the way?

Thank you very much!



Antwort von HeikoS:

Shake The manual is there are a few tips about this.



Antwort von PowerMac:

The Gnomon Workshop video training are very helpful. For example, the output "keying and tracking."



Antwort von Mohojote:

Yes, the DVD set, I know. The question is whether anyone of you with keying of DV material into Shake 4.1 already has more experience than I do. If so, please register!








Antwort von Axel:

"Mohojote" wrote:
Have you got some good tips as I shake with the best possible Keyingergebniss hinbekommen in DV?

So if I never worked a two-effects applying to the blue screen to improve or Deinterlace or something in the way?


Fill in the Quick Lumakey "a (Reading), and use it for IR. Point.

Forget the first with the deinterlacing.



Antwort von Mohojote:

Furthermore, I would like to know whether you all have Macs, or Linux synonymous representatives are involved.

To all, where Shake is running under OS X:

How is the equipment of your Macs? and
Do you have tips how to make a Mac a little bit faster can make?

I myself have a 20 "iMac with Core 2 Duo and currently (still) 1 GB of RAM.

Greetings and thank you.



Antwort von Mohojote:

Thank you.

The deinterlacer with the times I have somewhere to read a tutorial.
Just wanted to know whether it was good.



Antwort von PowerMac:

Hab usden du same iMac as you can on the wonderfully with Motion and Shake to work. I would strongly recommend the RAM upgrade to 2 GB and over UB versions to use (including Photoshop 9 Beta and FCS 5.1.2).



Antwort von Mohojote:

Am I next in the near future before synonymous. Thank you.

UB is, of course selbstversändlich. Thank you



Antwort von Axel:

Then we would have all three the same calculator.
Deinterlaces vorm Keyen may be better, but stand out as the pros and cons again. Yeah, I aside until tested. If you have progressive material of the camera did, of course, is the best. I am fortunate in my friends and acquaintances an owner of a DVX 100 to have.
Incidentally, it is synonymous, in Shake with Rotoshape and Rotopaint to be addressed. Here comes the real fun on.



Antwort von Mohojote:

Thank you very much.

Otherwise, no more tips for keying?

Do you have your Mac in any way (except Ram) "gepimpt"?
If so, how?

For example, disable any services which are already eating Ram ...
or special software?



Antwort von PowerMac:

No.. Remember that we are Macs with OS X and do not use PCs with Windows.
There is almost nothing to optimize.



Antwort von Mohojote:

Another question:

Has anyone experience with Graphic Tablets in Shake?
Somewhere you can to serve on the Tablet of mouse switch, I've read. But where?

Is this example, the Wacom "Graphire" good?

What is your opinion, better? Mouse or tablet?








Antwort von Mohojote:

"PowerMac" wrote:
No.. Remember that we are Macs with OS X and do not use PCs with Windows.
There is almost nothing to optimize.


Right. How could I just forget!

But anyway: Thank you!



Antwort von PowerMac:

"Mohojote" wrote:
Another question:

Has anyone experience with Graphic Tablets in Shake?
Somewhere you can to serve on the Tablet of mouse switch, I've read. But where?

Is this example, the Wacom "Graphire" good?

What is your opinion, better? Mouse or tablet?


Shake for a 5-button mouse. Have a Logitech MX-1000. The laser mouse;) This is the good. I'm not a graphics tablet type. To me, however, the Wacom with a built-in screen for 3000 euro gift, I would relearn;)



Antwort von Mohojote:

Do I need to really shake a 5 button mouse?



Antwort von Mohojote:

Has anyone of you know where you ne Shake 4.1 for the lowest price gets?

guenstiger.de?
billiger.de?
ebay.de?
geizkragen.de?

Or go even cheaper?



Antwort von PowerMac:

"Mohojote" wrote:
Do I need to really shake a 5 button mouse?


Yes. Or at least three buttons.



Antwort von Mohojote:

The Mighty Mouse of Apple, however, is as far as I know only a 2-button mouse.

(If you use the mouse, with the iMac to be delivered)

So what the third button?



Antwort von PowerMac:

This will give you the instructions and the video explains toll workshops. For the view, zoom and such features. To set the context menu in order to work better Nodeansicht etc.
The Mighty Mouse is a three-button mouse. The Scrolllball you can just click synonymous.



Antwort von Mohojote:

That with the 3-button, I've almost thought ...



















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