Frage von kili:
Hello,
because I s.and to movies to demonstrations and now an official of the notice was that the police action only with special permission to film should be, I once wanted to ask how it is purely for looks ...
Suppose I film the demo while policemen and people running purely rausholen - I may not be around?
It is not about portrait shots but shots of groups.
Greetings:
Kilian
Antwort von Pianist:
First of a premise: Demonstrations are designed for the police to some very challenging events. One is that there people their fundamental right to expression and Versammlungsfreheit exercise, and that the police has the task of this important legal protection. Other hand it is in connection with demonstrations again and again to violent riots, so that you're on the side of the police with some great tension must reckon. Since then occasionally synonymous false information to police or instructions that are then quite calmly to their legality must be examined.
The information that "police actions" only with "special permission" to be filmed, is simply wrong. What is true: If you by your Filmerei the success of a police operation at risk, you can be drafted in accordance with relevant State laws applicable police referral will receive a place, of course, synonymous and instantly using "direct coercion" (so called "physical violence" if they are legally of the police is applied) can be enforced.
In a demonstration you can start filming times as much as you want. And if individual offenders policemen from the crowd and grab wegzerren, can you do that synonymous filming. Of course, in such situations is always to intimidation by the police, because the course did not like filming in such operations, but normally they have to accept it. Wishes to the police leadership that such operations are running so well that they are beginning to the end of filming it, that the police are too bad wegkommt. In practice, unfortunately, are often different, but usually s.der high level of violence is certain groupings. And I do not much with the green or blue uniforms ...
I suppose either actively or passively and certainly not with Camera s.Demonstrationen part, but I know enough television people, who thus have extensive experience. If you have a channel for regular demonstrations films, you should see after and after a good relationship to the police building. The better you with the use of ladders on the ground communicate, the more you will accept and then allow you certain synonymous recordings under their protection, which you alone or against the police would not manage. The same goes for fire operations synonymous.
However you should understand that, but synonymous, if you like the police recommended times, you hold back a little and not, for example, in the midst of a march of neo-Nazis to go, because then they might not be able to guarantee your safety. Ringing times dear turn somewhere and then an overview of a balcony, as we see more often.
Matthias
Antwort von B.DeKid:
But he seems not filmed the filming of his person say?
Say quasi issue if I may be in the public arena where filming.
If the policeman is not in a position synonymous during the performance of his service this demand.
Thus, one would then create a policeman less in Picture?
I actually red now rather of a small group of say 5 -10 people, of which one specifically says "I do not want to be." , And the rest but it actually implied "condone".
?
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von BitBengel:
But he seems not filmed the filming of his person say?
Say quasi issue if I may be in the public arena where filming.
If the policeman is not in a position synonymous during the performance of his service this demand.
Thus, one would then create a policeman less in Picture?
I actually red now rather of a small group of say 5 -10 people, of which one specifically says "I do not want to be." , And the rest but it actually implied "condone".
?
MfG
B. DeKid So, it is that simple now does not like this is asked. In principle, a distinction must be made, who is filming what and where.
1. Filming may be just what you publicly of a normal position at looks. Says: I should of the road in a courtyard on film, but not enter. Also, theoretically, I do not use a ladder to a road film.
2. Done use. Here are other provisions. Only an official press representative - official ID - may be used to film events. And he may be filming ALL, but not publish anything (legal s.eigenen Picture). There are well-defined rules.
3. Held to account is usually not the recording, but the publication (on the Internet is the editorial manager).
4. The police may very well prohibit the shooting then, is the host in the deployment process. What he, however, outside of - outside of the event - to take, is really no preference. Synonymous But here is the "legal personality".
I recommend any amateur photographers and filmmakers themselves of such operations (Demo, accident, police) to keep away. The pole is always a "disability in the use of" find a place reference or even pronounce a provisional arrest. Because they do for journalists can not do it like they do in private.
I, the many different missions on both sides with experience, can only say that the impression of a "catastrophe horniness" quickly comes. Most amateurs do not know the existing rules, especially for fatal accidents. These will be heeded those of the operations as a professional guide.
I know that some will not taste it. But filming prefer things that others enjoy later. The worst is easy to show up to the news media. There you have your valuable equipment, but probably not until anden.
Antwort von Pianist:
1. Filming may be just what you publicly of a normal position at looks. Says: I should of the road in a courtyard on film, but not enter. Also, theoretically, I do not use a ladder to a road film. You just confuse Section 59 (1) UrhG with Section 23 (3) KUG. To the former it is not just here, but to the latter.
Matthias
Antwort von TiMovie:
I have been with handcuffs, because I have the gentlemen filmed and then the tape at my fitting and I wanted to take the tape would not hergeben - haha - that was funny! The tape of course, have to get - only ichs've never seen again!
Since always kindly ask whether you can film (if circumstances permit) - Most of you will get the answer, we should - but only of far away and no close-ups of faces - no numberplates ...
Antwort von BitBengel:
Hello,
because I s.and to movies to demonstrations and now an official of the notice was that the police action only with special permission to film should be, I once wanted to ask how it is purely for looks ...
Suppose I film the demo while policemen and people running purely rausholen - I may not be around?
It is not about portrait shots but shots of groups.
Greetings:
Kilian Again: Although this is a public measure, which is visible. But the law on reporting have generally only official representatives of the press, here they perform public functions. Anyone with an action so synonymous in the vicinity of filming, is staying, or even scanned (you do not, but it must be here for the sake of completeness be said), it can even be prevented. They call it "danger in delay" or "impediment to use."
Unfortunately, it is the case that just demos for the environment (against nuclear power) or other good targets readiness troops just over the top. It can not be happy filming. Those who behave properly - there are at the pole a lot! - Angry, because it harms the image of the entire police force. The pin press offices are always striving to be a balancing act. What willste but, if so then an "outlier" on the spot from flippt and flogged it. There are really few, but they hurt the whole troupe.
De-escalation is very helpful and works if the management team is well-organized.
Even the pros make their recordings often somewhat distant of such operations. It is really problematic, if they - the few the worse - on the pins come "danger in delay" to be suspect. Then try, however s.zu go. Forget it.
Last but not least: There is always the proviso that the viewer is not aware of an individual is directed. Then uses the principle of personality. Even if you only have a group of at least three films in which a aggiert, you steer your attention to this one. So then uses the law. Only if at least three people are depicted and None of the three draws solely by your action to draw attention to the person who picks the right personality.
I think that the issue should now be sufficiently answered.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
... Even if you only have a group of at least three films in which a aggiert, you steer your attention to this one. So then takes the law ... The "right s.eigenen Picture" is $ 22, KUG regulated. But my statement can not stand still, because of Section 23 lays down the exceptions as follows:
[Exceptions to § 22]
(1) Except in accordance with Section 22 required the consent and may be disseminated for review are:
Portraits from the fields of contemporary history;
Images on which the person only as an accessory in addition to a landscape or other location will appear;
Pictures of meetings, elevators and similar operations, the presented s.denen people participated;
Images that are not prepared to order, provided that the distribution or exhibition of a greater interest in art serves.
(2) The power will not be spread and ostentation, by showing a legitimate interest of the depicted, or, if it has died, his family is violated.
Thus, according to paragraph 1 the person without further filming, but must take into account paragraph 2.
The policy's sake: This is my personal opinion and not Rechtsbaratung that I neither can, nor should want.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
... But the law on reporting have generally only official representatives of the press, they perform public functions here ... What is an "official representatives of the press"?
Owners of the "official" press card, ie of the DJV, DJU, BDZV, DVS, and FreeLens VDZ issued?
Regards
Christian
Antwort von Pianist:
Only if at least three people are depicted and None of the three draws solely by your action to draw attention to the person who picks the right personality. And for that I would now like to provide a legal source.
Matthias
Antwort von weitwinkel:
but if you behave unlawful filming of police may
you have to do as a citizen can legally personality or not,
whether in Germany or tibet.
gruß cj
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Although this is a public measure, which is visible. But the law on reporting have generally only official representatives of the press, here they perform public functions. (...) Of this I have never read. What are your sources for this? I think that with the "official representatives of the press" for bullshit, if I think s.das Grundgesetz.
Antwort von kili:
exactly with the "official press representatives" can virtually never be because it is a violation of press freedom. therefore synonymous's no "official" press passes. Although there are press passes, the more recognized than others, but "officially" are synonymous ned.
extent, what I know.
grüße:
kilian
Antwort von BitBengel:
... But the law on reporting have generally only official representatives of the press, they perform public functions here ...
What is an "official representatives of the press"?
Owners of the "official" press card, ie of the DJV, DJU, BDZV, DVS, and FreeLens VDZ issued?
Regards
Christian Jepp. Photograph, renewed annually. All others - like the Internet - are forged or not allowed.
Antwort von BitBengel:
exactly with the "official press representatives" can virtually never be because it is a violation of press freedom. therefore synonymous's no "official" press passes. Although there are press passes, the more recognized than others, but "officially" are synonymous ned.
extent, what I know.
grüße:
kilian Well, imagine a craft and you will see what "official" is. Not for nothing have the established associations of an almost forgery-proof ID card made. Although ANY after interpretation of the Basic Law will be engaged in journalism, but in reality the content is different. You may be "reporting" does not stop with "voyeurism" confused. Because there are significant differences.
Since the discussion is now somewhat out of hand, I jack off. The one thing to say, has been said. The, who has a different opinion and interpretation in the jungle lost, this should do.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
...
Jepp. Photograph, renewed annually. All others - like the Internet - are forged or not allowed. Moin,
But the situation is confusing. During 2008 on my copy back after the whole thing was Blabla "The Chairman of the Conference of Interior," is based on the 2009er no more.
This unique feature is different and therefore it appears to be more of the individual authority, which they recognize or not.
The others in the press cards lots of puppets theater Auweise the way, know the authorities but synonymous.
For many events helps eh not pass, then there must hochoffizieller a contract Redation ago.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von BitBengel:
...
Jepp. Photograph, renewed annually. All others - like the Internet - are forged or not allowed.
Moin,
But the situation is confusing. During 2008 on my copy back after the whole thing was Blabla "The Chairman of the Conference of Interior," is based on the 2009er no more.
This unique feature is different and therefore it appears to be more of the individual authority, which they recognize or not.
The others in the press cards lots of puppets theater tickets are, but know the authorities synonymous.
For many events helps eh not pass, you must be a job of an editorial hochoffizieller ago.
Regards
Christian Correct. "Accreditation" is called something ...
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Thus, according to paragraph 1 the person without further filming, but must take into account paragraph 2.
unfortunately only almost right. Police officers do not take the sense of paragraph 1 "s.Aufzug part."
The shooting is therefore in principle allowed, under security concerns may be prohibited (strict interpretation of the courts), the confiscation of film material (the tape) is acceptable only if it appears from the overall circumstances, it is found that an illegal publication is intended.
Such is not available, if at a demonstration in the wide-angle setting is reported, but when some people (police or not is wurst) be zoomed.
Sound is recorded, it could still be relevant to criminal law (not a public record of the spoken word, for example, use radio, briefings).
Greeting
Andreas
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
personality or not legally People like you sit occasionally bibbernd in our office, a punishment tränendurchfeuchteten in one hand and a search order in the other.
It is considerably cheaper and less stressful for your future if you put your settings on the right 180 degrees change.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von weitwinkel:
s.wie sounds like a threat ...
but I have not really interested to know your firm.
gruß cj
ps. the right size is not fixed but an evolving
how our history has shown ...
Antwort von ed-media:
In normal circumstances, an accreditation of the editorial, production company, the channel, others do not always know when and where a press is if you then still with a small camera to anrückt think the s.Voyeure and keep the back, the synonymous occur as a journalist to be learned, one must know what you want.
The press card with the name always officially published but which are not of a federal authority, but of how DJV associations or interest groups (I know the journalists have their Verdi). I know many who are not engaged in journalism and a press pass and have a lot of journalists, cameramen and VJs do not have one, for example, order from the ZDF, accreditation or earlier contact, then it is not a problem synonymous. What we have here in Winnenden synonymous none was as if one of the editors directly sent.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
s.wie sounds like a threat ... Then you should not seek legal advice, but medical help.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Your talking to each other ...
Antwort von weitwinkel:
Then you should not seek legal advice, but medical help. why?
you need glasses?
I have not sought legal advice but expressed my opinion ..
and this seems a problem for you to be ...
gruß cj
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Your talking to each other ... synonymous and yet without any prospect of a fat expense note ... a shame ;-)
Antwort von handiro:
For good reason, our colorful republic so synonymous to the list of Reporters Without Borders to place 20 behind the Czech Republic:
http://www.reporter-ohne-grenzen.de/ranglisten/rangliste-2008.html
since then been tränendurchfeuchteten the punishment armwalt of mistrust to be stored dry
:-)
large class, I found the posting of pianist # 2 and # 4 of bitengel!
especially
"But filming prefer things that others enjoy later. The worst is easy to show up to the news media."
AMEN
Antwort von BitBengel:
... Thanks for the praise and ....
Happy Easter ...
Antwort von Misanthropoet:
The "official" press offices, I would like to note times, that in very many cases of a conscious look away can speak, I know many people from various groups in society and especially heard in the case of "different" (punks, OIS, etc.) people often Of absolutely unwarranted police violence and arbitrary (one of these actions was displayed immediately afterwards and with vollgender answer replied: "How many of them people have seen that the policeman has beaten it?" "10" "We have 20, what do they tend whom believed ...")
Likewise, I see that many reports of political groups are aware of stereotype, both left, green right as synonymous. Because I can say that I have from each of these groups of people know who those expected of the public images absolutely oppose.
Exactly the same applies but synonymous for youth violence and foreigners, where the official media synonymous gladly look away.
I hope I have with the three different sides sufficiently that I do not take political party, but to say that the media often simply show what is expected and in part at any price to stay politically correct.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
.. but to say that the media often simply show what is expected and in part at any price to stay politically correct. Yepp. Merits, the reader is not disturbed his sleep, or even encouraged, a prejudice to question.
In Dortmund, offenses committed in the immediate downtown vicinity have been committed, like in the newspaper in the "north" misplaced. Where the number of crimes have no such relocations deutllich higher.
But "in the north" is better than "before the concert house".
My experience with the police I was not synonymous to a fan made. If the guys from the bus jump and step over arriving at the park because a
tree has jostled, but not even turn his head to the car, just when a car shows up, it's not a good advertisement (; Okay, we should not individual cases of high reckon ...)
Regards
Christian
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Very nice video - very fresh
http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-1008266.html
A policeman uses a cameraman on ... and then go s.wie among girls;-p LoL
Well at least it is on tape and further steps.
So probably not then go with the shooting ban ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
** EDIT Achso is, of course, times from Germany .... the scene only from the USA or China, but what show is boring ***
Antwort von krokymovie:
football in the year 2006, I have a spontaneous-fest about a victory of the German national team notes.
of the traffic came through the crowd almost entirely to the temptation and have progressively taken the violence.
operations of the course wanted to see was not documented in research and said that I should turn off the camera.
My note on the freedom of the press was just cheeky gegrinsend replied that they would not, the damage to the camera.
experienced democracy.
gruß krokymovie
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Instead of the freedom of the press should be mentioned as a cameraman or the press man, but more paragraphs to know them down to write.
I can synonymous my personal identification number from memory, which I for some staff checks on many occasions, has the feeling if I had my card I do not get out of hand wanted.
Is there somewhere these important paragraphs aka a summary of this in terms of press freedom .... so that the most important points rote learning, and then to stand as factual as the only freedom of the press to argue? Because as you so as to saw the video, which is now has really helped not only the freedom of the press to mention.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Pianist:
Is there somewhere these important paragraphs aka a summary of this in terms of press freedom .... so that the most important points rote learning, and then to stand as factual as the only freedom of the press to argue? You can register directly on Article 5 paragraph 1 of the Constitution invoked. And in article 2 is that it is synonymous borders. This is synonymous rightly so because it is so synonymous other equivalent rights, which must be defended. If you're somewhere with the camera in a private intimate arise, you can obviously not rely on Article 5, because as you already have a bunch of other rights have violated.
In the case with the Badeunfall, of course, has the victim's personality rights. And the assistants have their undisturbed work. In practice, dissolve so that the police media representative, at least a little distance and keep the transport of two people wearing just a towel clamp to the victim business. Then it all helped.
Matthias
