Frage von ThomasANP:
After several suggestions, I am for now at least this much to have been allocated. They should all be roughly the same price range. Disadvantage of the sony, it would have been older and thus longer needed to buy. Which of these two is your experience of her "better" and why. Again in focus for what I need:
Live recordings, darker areas
the best possible picture (which is what else could one expect?)
Sound should be used
SonyTRV 900 / 950
Panasonic NV-GS250/300/400/500
Antwort von steveb:
sigh .....
.... if you're in this price segment will push, you have surely been a few buying criteria found. So why choose these models?
If it is not so, I think you'll synonymous in the price category to find 500euro.
Panasonic 180er and 280er are my favorites.
Did you purchase the corresponding recommendation thread here read?
Antwort von ThomasANP:
If you go to a new ebay panasonic nv gs500 for under ¬ 800 can get with 2 year warranty on it would anyone advise against it to buy?
Antwort von steveb:
Dear ThomasANP,
Did you read my question? Shall I help you? Or you ask just so in a forum, because you've bored? If you do not answer to my question, then please write 'I will not! Then I can save it, to your future postings to respond.
So what's next?
Antwort von garrycofee:
Did the last post at the same time as you write and therefore they are not seen. Why this, because many of them and recommend their own view, unfortunately, only in the internet, they will also be a good opportunity see. The buy recommendations, I have read, I'm very glad this website is found to have because I did not know beforehand what I am today in a camera should be looking for exactly. Thanks to the site I'm now on these Sony's and panasonics interested, but do not know exactly what I should decide now. Unfortunately you can in the other threads s.ende not know what the camera person has chosen and whether he / she is satisfied.
Antwort von steveb:
404ERR
Antwort von ThomasANP:
Well it appears unstructured, I can not deny. Attempts are currently anywhere where I can absorb information. What I do with them and how much I want to spend, I have already given. S.anfang My budget was ¬ 1500, but after further reflection and suggestions I had to see that I also cheaper with a camera can get what I want to achieve. The more expensive ¬ 2000 + should probably wait until I really use their functions can be synonymous. Now I am at the mentioned Sony and panasonics allegedly landed a very good picture, comparable with the one of canon XL1, give. Then comes thee the proposing of a cheap camera, such as the panasonic 180, also would be possible. Be like to see whether the picture really use can be made or whether the other but show a noticeable difference.
Antwort von ThomasANP:
Here's test images:
Panasonic - NV-GS 500 EG-S http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/481/57/
Panasonic - NV-GS 180 EG-S
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/527/57/
Among the pictures was not bad in comparison but it is obviously a difference when you look at a picture now aunschaut or a film. Is there any page where a brief segments where you can view it?
Antwort von steveb:
Find out first what the desired camera actually deliver.
Antwort von schumi65:
ThomasANP wrote:
Then comes thee the proposing of a cheap camera, such as the panasonic 180, also would be possible. The 180 is not cheap, but a cheap Camera ;-)))
Here is the true price-performance ratio.
Antwort von ThomasANP:
Is it insufficient to say that I have a good picture can get where you would like to have may be different (synonymous inexperienced) that it is no longer with an ordinary or old cheap camera. It should be used for smaller contracts, such as live concert recordings and used to be sold. Surely we can all participate to edit and sell, I still want to not rely on a good image. Maybe I can truly with a 500 ¬ cope, in comparison to my 5 year old camera (sony trv140) would determine everything is much better.
What should I specify to show what the camera for me afford to?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
in focus for what I need:
Live recordings, darker areas If you are often in poor lighting conditions turn, the TRV900 is expected of your choice to be the best. The successor to 950 was in any case, this relationship is something of a step backwards. Of the Panasonics, I know enough, but bad light should not just their strength. The hook in the matter: The 900's are only used long ago, and that is always holding something risky.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von ThomasANP:
The Panasonic NV-GS 180 has my interest already received. Is simply because it is also one of the few cameras is the new in the business I buy (afford) could, with warranty and can also contribute back if they do not fit. The sony 900 would be very nice, but could be some weeks before I sit on it, like on ebay, a little used or find in good condition. Panasonic NV-GS500 could turn on amazon.de buy for 1000, but then again you can make schwehr what if problems with the camera has.
Despite all of this page I want to learn more about the gs180 in comparison to the first-named devices know.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
NV-GS500, one could turn to for 1000 amazon.de kaufen But is very expensive! Normally they are sold in 800 to 850 euros.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von oliver II:
The sony 900 would be very nice, but could be some weeks before I sit on it, like on ebay, a little used or find in good condition. Panasonic NV-GS500 could turn on amazon.de buy for 1000, but then again you can make schwehr what if problems with the camera has. My choice would be the Panasonic before Sony. And I think that the problems at Amazon rather lower than that of a (unknown) providers in Ebay, you like a "little used" scrap andreht part.
Experiment with your look on the internet found out prices at your dealer spot a good price to achieve. For me that always works.
Antwort von ThomasANP:
Where to get it safely delivered to 800? That could be very decisive influence. When I see the test images of 250 and 500 compare is quite a difference to see.
Fluorescent:
250 500 30 lux:
250 500 Test pictures were not very sorry for the 300, would be curious
Antwort von steveb:
and it would be for you (ThomasANP) and for all a bit easier when you're perhaps with Your acquisition theme, sometimes on a thread could concentrate.
Meanwhile, did you have 3 or 4 Paralellthreads open, in which it almost the same issues.
That is called cross posting and the rarely helps to solve the problem.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Where to get it safely delivered to 800? www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/369171_-nv-gs500-panasonic.html
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von ThomasANP:
404ERR
Antwort von ThomasANP:
Synonymous Would like to know what the ebay skeptics such an ad saying:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110055340420&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=001
The price is more than tempting and 2 year warranty, new.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Synonymous Would like to know what the ebay skeptics such an ad saying Seems for the buyer quite a bargain to be had. However, I would have hoped for before the bid from the seller to explain exactly how he came s.die Camera and why he sold it. And then s.besten for cash pick up personally to make sure that it really is synonymous ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von ThomasANP:
Have asked him he said everything in new unopened condition. Reason why he sells, he has not stated. Did the offer was not good enough observed and thought it would be about 800 ¬ which otherwise would have been but I mitgeboten. Have already found a new article where there is still 4 days left. The same service, new 2
+ year warranty, which is very great, the sellers in my town. Bin gespannt pointed out. Up to 700 I can already imagine that I bid.
Antwort von Markus:
Synonymous Would like to know what the ebay skeptics such an ad saying: ... Too little information, only the data transferred from the manufacturer, not a real article photo, ... would be nothing for me!
And even if the seller says (on demand) that the camcorder was in order, I would be critical. Because if he had behind the term "state" yes synonymous to. Instead there is just "---". - What could well mean?
Antwort von ThomasANP:
When new articles in 4 days has expired since "new" and there comes a lion accu battery pack about this (indicated as 150 ¬). So an even better offer.
Antwort von Jan:
1. Just as the newer models such as 300 and 500, there is no more headphone port. Until now I have not worked with ton but this may change now, because we are now synonymous with the existing micro can connect better.
Question: Is it a significant disadvantage if you do not use headphones?
2. Why did the cameras not light anymore? With Sure you can better separate lights illuminate, but can not be expected that most external hobby filmmakers still illuminate.
3. The 500 has a cinema mode. "This is not true progressive scan, so do not get your hopes up It's a pseudo-progressive scan mode carried over from the GS400.
Question: Does this mode, or what can be the same vegessen? 1. The GS 280 / 300, I find it not so terribly bad, because you're in the two models is not the sound itself levels / change it, you might hear in a head phones with much better, but eh can not intervene, except Micro Zoom, wind Cut or a windbreak (Rovotech - the most it remains eh), nothing else can be essential in the Camera does not move.
The GS 500, it would have been nice, since one level may regulate themselves and thus have direct access to the sound level has - with the Headphones you hear more.
But there are already plenty of craft activities, the AV output in order to use a tone to Headphones to get.
2. A built-in 3 watt (if ever) brings light, in principle, almost nothing, and the lamp will in principle no ordinary filmmaker stuck on it - they are all through the history of mad NightShot made.
Yes the 10 watt lamp costs Pana then synonymous few Euros on the lamp needs a battery on it, is the most far too complicated. The GS 500 has an active shoe, its 3 watt lamp and bring nothing but suck just the camera battery.
3. Yes Pana describes the beautiful - Wunderbare 25 frames / sec, 1 / 25 sec is set, the Lumminanzsignal is Lowlight increased during daylight verniedrigt, the dynamic range and once again voted a small increase in contrast - And they think - they are in the movies .. ..
For me, all nonsense, several tests showed the material looks almost the same, strangely shows in playback mode, the GS 500 (A camera data) synonymous with the Pro Cinema mode, always the 1 / 50 sec, I was Shutter / Aperture and reinforcing the same, no preference where I've kept the camera, not with 1 / 25 sec, as in the Pana documents.
And be careful with the test images 250 VDR 250 is a DVD camcorder with MPEG-2 recording - he has systemic errors & image thanks to its record loss.
So now I jack myself from the lively discussion - the fact is nothing, Stefan, Bernd, oliver, Mark Schumacher and maybe have a little patience - a lot more fun.
VG
Jan
Antwort von ThomasANP:
Helps already ample, is now only partially thing I see above the 500 for a good price can get.
Antwort von Franz:
Can someone tell me how expensive dieBastelaktion is to get out of the AV output of the panasonic gs500 a header phones to play?
Stand a little puzzled over the fact that when the 180er has a headphone output and not in the 500, though the sound may auspegeln. What is there for an idea? Or maybe just no?
Franz
Antwort von Markus:
What is there for an idea? Or maybe just no? Probably None of the developers thought, what a manual Tonaussteuerung be good if the sound you can not control. That would be something like a camcorder without viewfinders and without display.
And that is the same clarifies: Yes, there were the times indeed. Panasonic had many years ago, take a beginners camcorder with a fixed focal-and through viewfinders on the market.
Can someone tell me how expensive dieBastelaktion is to get out of the AV output of the panasonic gs500 a header phones to play? If the AV cable, which is enclosed with the camcorder, RCA connections, then you need only one of RCA adapter to plug. So there is something ready to buy. Then you can give the included AV cable to connect your camcorder and s.den before Headphones nor RCA-jack cables hanging.
For the signal, this is not favorable. At best, the connectors with a strip Gaffa tape fixed.
Antwort von Jan:
One could say Pana has slept properly, as one of the few current Consumer (MVX 45i Canon MVX 4i & and GS 500), it has the audio control, and the headphone output is missing incredibly ...
But I have to admit, the level meter of the GS 500 is very
properly and more importantly they display the true of her
later Level of really cutting her match.
Since I have höherklassigen with cameras like Canon XM 2 or the Sony very good care, a level in the central green area is called by no means the sound is ok.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Panasonic had many years ago, take a beginners camcorder with a fixed focal-and through viewfinders on the market. Probably wanted to Fisher-Price, the customer is not quite a fight left ;-) The PXL-2000 camcorder of 1987, however, used commercially available audio-cassettes (!) As a recording medium ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von rtzbild:
One could say Pana has slept properly, as one of the few current Consumer (MVX 45i Canon MVX 4i & and GS 500), it has the audio control, and the headphone output is missing incredibly ...
Aloha,
it have more MVXe a manual aussteuerbaren Sound PLUS PLUS headphone output Mic Input!
Canon MVX45i is a fine thing ... : o)
For 649, - Euro hit a few new shops are now out of the showcase.
* tipp * factor
Olli
Antwort von Jan:
Current - I meant 2006.
VG
Jan
Antwort von rtzbild:
Current - I meant 2006.
VG
Jan And why the models you mention, if you mean something else?
One could say Pana has slept properly, as one of the few current Consumer (MVX 45i Canon MVX 4i & and GS 500), it has the audio control, and the headphone output is missing incredibly ... Olli
Antwort von Jan:
Now, we can not argue what Current is, I completely synonymous sausage, pure interpretation.
If Sonyin 2 months ago, the HC 27 (HC nachfolger 23) and the other new models presented, it is now written again synonymous overdue ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von rtzbild:
Aloha,
whether you believe it or not, synonymous with cars, I leave it to others the role of beta tester, I need not always be the newest of the new have neither car nor Camera else. Since I eh 'is not doing movies or 16:9, is the traditional stuff for me grad good enough.
And I even s.and s.lege noch'n black and white film in which an AND Rollei labor of hand; o)
LG Olli
Antwort von kickback:
Hmm
the setting could fit :-)
First Digital clippers in November 2001: Canon Digital Ixus 300 (still in use)
Last month, the Nikon D80 to Nikon F80 dazugesellt. The laboratories deal with traditional film and prints always unpfleglicher> I love A3 (Digital IXUS goes straight up to A3, scanned slides synonymous A2 already tried)
After all, what I've read so far, fits the Canon MVX45i:
Headphone output
Microphone input
loose optical-path
Mini-DV
DV IN + OUT
IN + AV Out
Small and compact, good picture, thanks to large sensor.
Amzon But she is no longer synonymous and price search engine spit out a single provider. With Saturn in Frankfurt on the Zeil, I have not seen them synonymous.
Someone tips for shops in the area of Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Aachen?
ciao
frank
Antwort von Johannes:
The burner did Catalog
I found mvx4i
the woll mvx45i gibts net more
John
Antwort von Jan:
Saturn Canon MVX 45i stocks:
(Ruhr) Luenen 2x 697 ¬
(Middle) Offenbach 1x ¬ 747.99
(Southwest) Ludwigsburg 1x 849 ¬
(Southwest) Ludwigshafen 2x 796 ¬
(Rhine) Mönchengladbach (Rheydt) 1x ¬ 599.97
Yes it does not look good, you can certainly turn some Prices are so synonymous with plenty of exhibitors ....
VG
Jan
