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Sound at outdoor performances?



Frage von WWJD:
August 2009

Hi together

Soon have a theatrical open-air performance record on HDV.
Unfortunately, the actors do not Ansteckfunkmicros, which would be connected s.einer audio mixer. Their voices need to live without being absorbed any Tonhilfsmittel. Since the actors are synonymous relatively far away from the camera position (; about 20-30m), I had misgivings Tonproblem.
Can you give me some tips on what kind of microphone should I use?
By the way: Did synonymous H4n a Zoom Handy Recorder for separate audio recording.

You Grüss
Jack



Antwort von hofnarr:

what is the spielfläche?
backdrop yes or no?
How many actors are simultaneously on stage?
etc. ..



Antwort von newsart:

This indeed means that the actors have to speak so loud that the audience understands it without Verstärkungf. Thus there should be no problem sBühnenrand position 2-4 and microphones to record either each separately or equal to (live, makes it less of a problem when cutting, because the sound engineer at the performance of the entire event as always in focus has shot mixing) to.








Antwort von WWJD:

@ jester:
It is a rectangular shape, on a diagonal Page of the Tribune,
gegenünegliegenden on the stage, the synonymous to the one long side
moved on to a part is. Few scenes, how many players at the same time I do not know at the moment, so about 5-10 people.

@ newsart:
Can you recommend an affordable mixer, with about 4 inputs, and
is what kind of mics do I take??



Antwort von Meggs:

"WWJD" wrote:

Can you recommend an affordable mixer, with about 4 inputs, and
is what kind of mics do I take??


Mixer eg

http://www.thomann.de/de/behringer_xenyx_1202.htm

Microphones eg http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_sc180_stereoset.htm

I would distribute sBühnenrand synonymous 4 mics. Condenser microphones with cardioid polar pattern. Be sure to use wind, in addition to the SC180 (pure LowCut, wind noise).
If you record the channels separately, you are more flexible in noise at 1 Micro (;) wind, spectators, and you can compensate better for different volumes. Good experience I've made it, (s.Schluß can downmix to compress, gently places are loud, noisy remain the same). This raises the speech.



Antwort von newsart:

I would probably with two boundaries Microphones (; middle and middle re li) and two directional microphones are working s.den corners and then a Field Mixer normal SQN3 or mix with 4s.

For a record I would not buy the stuff, of course, but to rent.

Megg is certainly right that the downmix afterwards yields the best results. But it is synonymous much more expensive than a live mix that you have done then 1:1 on your video. Since synonymous must understand the audience, the Schauspiler, the acoustics should not really be so problematic. A Field mixer has the advantage that you're totally power independent and you can set the sound man practically into the audience, as when he bothers s.wenigsten.

Where the performance takes place, then, perhaps we can help you with technology / know-how.

Regards



Antwort von hofnarr:

little backdrop = little opportunities to hide microphones to "". be suspended micros will probably not be synonymous possible remains s.ehesten the stage edge, as of newsart recommended. possible low-noise small membrane micro-capacitor should be placed every few meters close to the ground work out. H4N is synonymous run along the existing (; leading edge center stage, from the microscopic zoom to 120 ° when the actors on stage are "scattered").

cheap branded goods would be eg:

beyerdynamic MCE 530
Rode NT5
akg c1000
rode m3
OKTAVA mk-012

and many others. border area could work well, 2 pcs. ntg3 rode shotgun as synonymous. The Noble solution would be 2 stk. Gefell kem970 sbühnenrand. sauteuer but great micros ...



Antwort von WWJD:

Thanks guys for your suggestions.
Am now somewhat relieved to know that some start with something like ;-)
By the way: What is the difference btwn Condens. and Dynam. Micro?

@ newsart: Thank you for your efforts, but the whole is held abroad ......

You Grüss
Jack



Antwort von hofnarr:

http://www.soundnezz.de/projects/www/radiobox/radiotechnik/mikrofon.html
http://www.beyerdynamic.de/home/service/faqs/mikrofon-faqs/mikrofonarten.html
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamisches_Mikrofon
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondensatormikrofon

etc. .. ;-)



Antwort von Meggs:

"WWJD" wrote:
What is the difference btwn Condens. and Dynam. Micro?


Condenser mics are more sensitive than dynamic microphones, providing a higher level, need electricity Phantom or Battery.



Antwort von WWJD:

Super guys, that sounds so good.
Nice Weekend




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