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Tonaufnahme von einem Chorkonzert, ...eure Meinung

Sound recording of a choir concert, you think ...



Frage von joerg-emil:
August 2007

Hi,

I have two weeks before a choir concert in difficult conditions on video recorded. Since the troupe as well as had no money, I had the voice synonymous with my job ... and equipment that gives the sound of what are for now not very much her.

Camera Canon XM1
-controllable audio adapter for two XLR Connections
two T-Bone-EM-900 condenser microphones with battery power

The microphones of T-Bone have together cost 49 EUR ... because I was a bit queasy in the stomach, when I made s.die Studio.

The mics I have just before the stage on a stereo track in the ceiling, hanged. And I had abundance synonymous almost 40 m XLR extension were initiated, planned since my wiring with 15 meters to the fireman of the theater prepared hair loss ...

The result of 49 EUR s.40m extension I then again through my Magix Music Studio with Compressor, EQ, room simulation and tormented Störgeräuscheentfernung escaped ... what is it, you can here as an MP3 download and listen:

http://www.emilsvideo.de/downloads/lied11.mp3

The unedited audio to Comparison can be found here:

http://www.emilsvideo.de/downloads/lied11unbearbeitet.mp3

I would be very interested in your opinion, I was quite surprised because what is left ... But I do not particularly musical've heard, I would like to know if I was with the after effects may be somewhat exaggerated or did .... whether you have what could improve ...

Gruß Jörg



Antwort von Meggs:

"joerg-emil" wrote:
..

The result of 49 EUR s.40m extension I then again through my Magix Music Studio with Compressor, EQ, room simulation Störgeräuscheentfernung and tortured ...

I would be very interested in your opinion, I was quite surprised because what is left ... But I do not particularly musical've heard, I would like to know if I was with the after effects may be somewhat exaggerated or did .... whether you have what could improve ...


Hello Jörg,

I think it sounds quite neat to have you well done. Also, the position of the microphones, you have obviously chosen well.
Goods because noise on the original recording? 40 m are in fact at its symmetrically. XLR connection no problem.
My experiences with my cover is also quite cheap microphones, the sound source for the best placed, to hear much better s.als an expensive Aufsteckmikro on the camcorder, the far right of the sound source is gone.

Greeting Meggen



Antwort von joerg-emil:

Hello Meggen,

na thank you for your quick reply ... and then still synonymous of an expert, I could see. That calms me a lot. When the recording was a very bright, disturbing noise present, which I have something abgmildert. I suppose that this is the inherent noise of the microphones was, reflecting the compression has further increased. I wanted to be me the T. Bone stereo pairs EM 800 growth. Have seen that you have in your equipment synonymous searched. Purpose phantom power mics, I would then use my existing mixer s.den Line input of my camera adapter jack. Are these mics to recommend? Or do you mean, the difference would not be too big.

Thank you!

Gruß Jörg








Antwort von JustMatt:

"Megger" wrote:

as an expensive Aufsteckmikro on the camcorder, the far right of the sound source is away


This is synonymous expensive mics not think ;)...

Otherwise, the solution of Jörg-Emil eh good, and he has the best s.Qualität rausgeholt what was to fetch. Alternatively, of course, a mixer between inside to synonymous optimal levels to be able to ...



Antwort von PowerMac:

Go, but the white noise disturbs something. Looks after slack shots from the artificially clarity and brilliance were trimmed. Sounds a bit artificial.



Antwort von Jan85:

"joerg-emil" wrote:
I wanted to be me the T. Bone stereo pairs EM 800 growth. Have seen that you have in your equipment synonymous searched. Purpose phantom power mics, I would then use my existing mixer s.den Line input of my camera adapter jack. Are these mics to recommend? Or do you mean, the difference would not be too big.


@ Joerg,

The price / performance ratio of the EM800 is certainly good, but of course you can not expect miracles for the Money. Much better and is still very favorable t.Bone of the SC180.

Greeting Meggen



Antwort von joerg-emil:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Go, but the white noise disturbs something. Looks after slack shots from the artificially clarity and brilliance were trimmed. Sounds a bit artificial.


PowerMac Hello,

Thank you for your honest opinion ... it's actually so that I only have a very lean signal. I set me off again, around the whole not-so-artificial sound to .... and the next times, then perhaps you would prefer something with better mics ...

Gruß Jörg



Antwort von Jan85:

Hi!
My experience, support for concert recordings
Picture & Sound. Will say: Once synonymous sees what you do not hear
longer so critical, whether the sound event. should be better.
Blind hear better ...

It has also heard the positive property that is
quickly to a not so ideal and sound set
no longer perceive as bad. Psychco-acoustics.

Live one hears the choirs in most of lower quality than your mp3!
But this is live, and there is still more tolerant ...

So low budget for both thumbs up!
For the best cheap Equipement done, what more could you want?

LG Klaus



Antwort von Jan85:

This magix an expander (against part of compressor)? if so, the first signal expander, and noise-filter then initiated. Choral concerts should generally not be compressed, such as radio, as this reduces the dynamic range.



Antwort von Jan85:

@ Guest "Klaus"

We support your opinion by making the opposite claim:

The latter, however, only in your statement that "man" is not life
so good "listens."
Here, it is repeatedly noted that the human
Hearing during a performance significantly "nachgiebiger" to be
seems that at the hearing of the "canned" the same audio material.
Here singing.
Is particularly true for the instruments of the "Strings" and "horns";))

Apparently tolerated the brain (great hardware) with the help of his
Hearing (great software) those (small) Abweichungungen,
The spot actually happening rather than after the event at
Evaluation of past recordings.

So to speak: The human organism forgives --
Never-the technique.
Or the other way:

In the case of "canned" remembers only one true
as "wrong" they have played it out;)

@ Joerg-emil:

When playing with Hall / Reverb / Sustain - etc. - effects should be
extremely careful in order not to unnecessarily something
verschlimmbessern.
(For soundtrack uskannst you even decide what
"Ground", what size has the hall afterwards.)
But you certainly know already. ;)

Good that you have to infliction à la "wide stereo effect" did not.
Is unfortunately a popular means to impress.

Our verdict (-as far as our "receivers" Allow-) is:

The choir is good, the recording is nice ...

;)



Antwort von DWUA:

Maybe it works out someday with the
Sign timely ...

sorry



Antwort von Waran:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Live ... one hears the choirs in most of lower quality than your mp3 ...


That was that: 1 Most choirs, one gets to hear
(Gottestdienst, City ,...) are worse than admitted
and 2 it is mostly so, or that the acoustics so that the
Chorus quietly, to punishing, a voting group is too quiet,
or as synonymous always listens, because it is NOT on his Öhrchen
such a beautiful place as the chosen has 2 microphones ...

Think times that if you, the next chorus "on the path"!








Antwort von joerg-emil:

Hi,

Thank you for your many comments, I am very surprised that so many I have listened to sound example.

@ Unknown
Tip your expander only to the noise and then only will I remember. Is actually synonymous logical, if you want drüber it, but each needs a truth which they pronounce ;-)

@ Klaus
The Effect of psycho-acoustics, I will in my presentation of the video by the administration of several barrels Kölsch (so does the local beer) reinforce synonymous .... if I have doubts s.einer entertainment, the stun of the audience requires. .... I did yesterday with a bottle of wine tested, while I Grobschnitt the video on my television viewing had ended ... the only sound on the built-in speakers grauseligen from television, and everything was not so bad. ... but let's be serious, it's actually the way you write, along with the picture, you are no longer as critical as with his eyes closed and Headphones on the Root ... a toast to the upcoming low-budget productions ...

@ DWUA
... of course I have with all the effects rumgespielt, the program gave me the synonymous ... the controls for the stereo width, I found very quickly ... I was so very surprising results, however, not very much with the actual choir, or the room in which he actually was, had to do ... in a few bright moments I decided then I would prefer for the gentle tour .... I hope I can feel so synonymous flay, and must not for my youthful body hergeben ....

Greetings from the Rhine .... I find this great forum ...

Jörg



Antwort von Realit:

Hello Jörg, what would you make, look at the unmodified file to post?



Antwort von joerg-emil:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Hello Jörg, what would you make, look at the unmodified file to post?


.. yep, I've updated my first post ... or simply click here:

http://www.emilsvideo.de/downloads/lied11unbearbeitet.mp3




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