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StopMotionFilm mit DSLR oder DV?

Stop Motion Movie with DSLR or DV?



Frage von Ilsebilse:
Oktober 2006

Dear Film Friends,

I plan time for a stop motion film and I'm just what the camera are still in doubt.

Possession of the EOS 350D and am synonymous assumed to use them. Now I only know of the possibility, with a Stop Motion program is a "Preview" Picture on an already recorded Picture being able to, which of course is a fine thing.

Unfortunately this does not work with DSLR ... but only with hybrid cameras or DV cameras.

Since the coal as always tight, I looked for alternatives now. Here I am on the Canon HV10 or SonyHDR-Hc3E encountered, both HDV camcorder. The I could afford, assuming I sold my DSLR Equipement ...
A camcorder, I would find it very appealing synonymous for smaller private videos ...

A hybrid camera would be an option synonymous. What good experiences have you made?

For me is a serious decision ... what do you think?
Above all, this is of course synonymous decision: Still image or movie ... about myself, I must still be clear. But before this hät I still like to include your experiences ...

Thank you and Grüßle,
Ilsebilse



Antwort von Ilsebilse:

"Ilsebilse" wrote:
Here I am on the Canon HV10 or SonyHDR-Hc3E encountered, both HDV camcorder.


Unfortunately I have a little too late your beginners guide to read my question and therefore must change something ... A HDV camcorder comes to me now no longer in question, rather a mini-DV camcorder.

What can you recommend, especially in relation to Stop Motion?

The longer I think about it, the less I like the idea of the DSLR away, because you clearly can make better recordings.
But I will hold this onion skin principle use for my film!
Mannoroth .... :-(((



Antwort von beiti:

Although I have not ever stop-motion film made more, but if I would make today, I would have a DSLR into the election draw closer. This is a picture and a game with the depth of field possible for you to move conventional film on 35 mm or rotate with one of these immature Digital Cinema cameras should be mucking around. If the animation in high Resolutionvorliegt, it can later eg in a digital cinema format or convert to 35 mm FAZen leave. (Of course, that the film in full Resolutionrendert and not on the same video resolution scaling. We can still do so later.)

Okay, the live preview is of course an argument. This goes with the EOS 350D is not systemic. So on a video camera away, I would not (unless you know quite sure that you are never in the film higher Resolutionals SD-Video will need).

I do not know what signals the usual stop-motion program could handle. Good still image cameras, which in principle synonymous enable live preview, there are several: First, I of course SonyR1 a sensor in a DSLR with the size of other Eingeschaften combines a compact camera. There is also the FourThirds system of Olympus DSLR (soon to be synonymous Panasonic and Leica), which also can live preview. FourThirds When the sensor is slightly smaller than other DSLR, but still greater than in all the video cameras.





Antwort von Ilsebilse:

hallo beiti,

thank you for your long reply.
synonymous, I think that the quality is the most important point.
therefore I thought the DSLR but to keep on and "detours" s.meine live preview to come. That might work with some handicraft work, if I like a compact or even just its Webcam behind the viewfinders of the DSLR 'Buckle' ...

Do some google times whether I da ne Bastelanleitung think.

From the new DSLR of Olympus, I have heard. But since my nice Canon and the live preview is the only drawback is that for me no alternative ...



Antwort von coques:

Hello,

I stand at a similar problem of how the thread creator / in.

I have directly ruled for a DSLR, the Canon D400
to be quite accurate.

My question now is what exactly should I format the Stop Motion
Film shoot, if I have a very high quality to achieve, so
the material later to bring cinema format mag.

So how would the exact pixel ratio, with which I at the output
must work? Presented as the HD format (1920x1080px) or should
I go even higher?

I appreciate any help / response
Greeting
Coques



Antwort von beiti:

"coques" wrote:
My question now is what exactly should I format the Stop Motion
Film shoot, if I have a very high quality to achieve, so
the material later to bring cinema format mag.

So how would the exact pixel ratio, with which I at the output
must work? Presented as the HD format (1920x1080px) or should
I go even higher?
That can not be clearly answered, as long as you do not know with which technology is the film geFAZt. You could begin work in the copy of your choice ask how high the FAZ-resolution is exactly.

On the safe side you could go by moving the Resolutionder DSLR and retains only the format of the planned aspect ratio circumcision.
The original DSLR has an aspect ratio of 1:1.5, video in 16:9 is 1:1,78 and the "American" (now an international standard) has widescreen movies 1:1,85. You will then Picture from the top and bottom DSLR which caps need, whether you make it to 16:9 or optimierst movie, you will leave. It should be noted is that both s.Television as synonymous in the cinema projection certain (undefined) boundaries disappear.



Antwort von coques:

Thank you for your reply.

Synonymous, I think that I am in the DSLR format original photograph and then
Cropper, it will still retain the original resolution and I can be the
desired aspect ratio in the Picture "rightly push" :-)

Thank you and happy to continue work.



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

Hi,
for a second film, you need 25 images, for a minute 1500 images, for a quarter-film 22,500 shots (plus those who are kicked out afterwards).
I'm not sure if the shutter of the EOS 350 D, the bear! That would be me again just superior. I have somewhere the number 20,000 trippings to overhaul "in mind, which I was interested at that time before the purchase of the 300 D.
Because I would rather with an SD / HDV Camera rang deal, depending on how high the later should be.
BG
Andreas



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote:
20,000 trippings to overhaul "

The EOS 300/350/400D than entry-level SLRs are not sure of the 200,000 to 300,000 trips out of their big brothers, but 20,000 seems to me already battered little - although it is in times of madness cheap at the expense of quality, unfortunately, would be conceivable. Do you remember where you get this information then you?

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
I'm not sure if the shutter of the EOS 350 D, the bear! That would be me again just superior. I have somewhere the number 20,000 trippings to overhaul "in mind;
So I do not believe that the closures in practice as quickly broken. In the photography forums on the people, for example, with a Nikon D70 has more than 100,000 trips "down" again. 20,000 per year for Vielfotografierer quite normal.
If the Manufacturer the life of the buckle that has certainly synonymous marketing reasons (pros should have a reason to take on more expensive models).

Quote:
Because I would rather with an SD / HDV Camera rang deal, depending on how high the later should be.
An entry-level DSLR will cost about 500 euros. From where one can not synonymous for a number of "consume" to get a good price s.den HDV camcorder rankommt. And with HDV, you still do not have the same image quality.



Antwort von Blitzunddorner:

.. I can log in grad irgendwie nich ....

FYI: I'm just a synonymous movie StopMo to realize.

The camera manufacturers provide about 100,000 cycles on the folding mechanism of the mirror. In an American. StopMo Forum gibts or about some gabs threads.

There are 2 "problems" in the use of DSLR:
a.) flicker! Light fluctuations. That means the scene is not 101% can be well lit as by a bright shirt, the animator and contributes to the triggering of the single is not always s.der same place, you can see the frames on different brightness values. This is the s.der high resolution DSLR. Some Stop Motion Maker have with this problem. Also playing a first optical network is not noticeable fluctuation of a few volts at a simple film / photo lighting a large negative role.

b.) There is for almost all digicams instructions to the output mode of aufgenommnenen image of the chip in the Camera redirect to the hard drive of the PC (with appropriate software), but it has no "life picture". The animator is not just about the SW on the PC, the current setting. Because of this shortcoming animators draw in addition to a camcorder, the picture on its Life Connections on an analog monitor displays. Resourceful "handymen" to mount the cam directly s.den the DSLR viewfinders. But "Onionskinning" to use the camcorder via Firewire s.einer StopMo-SW connected.

I realize the film with a DV Cam, synonymous if the resolution then "only" is at 720x576.

Regards
ecki

Blog at www.blitzunddorner.de



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

Hi,
For example, under "closure": http://www.traumflieger.de/desktop/350D/report/canon_350D_report.php
Für meine 300 D sind das demnach 25.000, für die 350 D 50.000 Auslösungen. Ich habe in drei Jahren als Vielfotografierer ca. 9.100 Aufnahmen "durchgezogen". Es wird aber synonymous of Kameras berichtet, die sechsstellige Werte erreicht haben (and welche, die bei < 10.000 die Grätsche machten).
Da würde ich the need, if any, on a non-SLR dodge. It is usually the mirror or the mirror-tripping, which failed. A non-mechanical model, there is perhaps more durable.
BG
Andreas



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"beiti" wrote:
20,000 per year for Vielfotografierer quite normal.

And if that number is reached (press photographers?), Takes no EOS 350 D. This is the difference between consumer and professional model. The professional is the more stable model to buy, and where it holds With 20,000 per year / 100,000 trips are synonymous halt five years (before it is depreciated and will be exchanged anyway).
"beiti" wrote:
An entry-level DSLR will cost about 500 euros. From where one can not synonymous for a number of "consume" to get a good price s.den HDV camcorder rankommt.

For a whole hour or half a stop-motion, we say a one thousand times sink? Well, I do not know really ...
BG
Andreas



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Andreas_Kiel" wrote:
And if that number is reached (press photographers?), Takes no EOS 350 D.

True, especially for daily professional use cameras are still designed in completely different things of 350D & Co. differ. 20,000 trips per year, however, are very deeply located for example, press, sports, advertising or fashion photographer. The game usually achieve much more.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
And if that number is reached (press photographers?), Takes no EOS 350 D.
That can not compensate. Most professional cameras are demonstrably of amateurs bought, and there are quite a few professionals on the move was an "amateur" housing preference. Care professionals is not a matter into which category of a model einreiht Manufacturer; they buy, what their purpose is served s.ehesten.
However, there are amateurs synonymous with cheap equipment, which is very high and reach the trigger figures, for example, in a single holiday expose 10,000 images, whether it makes sense (you have the images would at least sort out yet), be doubted. The Manufacturer of image tanks happy.

Quote:
For a whole hour or half a stop-motion, we say a one thousand times sink? Well, I do not know really ...
Whether it's amateur there, semi-or ganzstündige stop motion films, I would even doubt, that would be crazy a lot of work. Total lengths of between 5 and 10 minutes for amateurs to find more realistic. And who is actually a Project ganzstündiges letting (that is an estimated 2 years of work and a lot of money for construction of the scenes, building the characters, etc.) will have a 1000s feel as petty cash.
In the professional field are always very different scales. Only times for Comparison: A Digital Betacam camcorder will cost around 600 euros s.Tag rent (and by far not achieved the picture quality of a Nikon D50, etc.).




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