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TIMECODE / DATACODE in Premiere

TIME CODE / DATA CODE in Premiere [Photos & Quick Start Guide + Questions]



Frage von lx2:
Februar 2008

Hello Forum,

long I imagine the extent to premiere with
Time code (see synonymous http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timecode)
hereinafter referred to as "TC" called

and with

Data code (see synonymous timestamp, Date Stamp, DV date code, http://www.skydiver.de/stef/datecode_de.htm)
hereinafter referred to as "DC" called

circumvent it?

This must be the first time the difference between code and data code in mind. Here is a Picture:



Many DV camcorder using this data. When you transfer the video to the PC via firewire (F5 in Premiere), the Time Code and Data Code withübertragen. (Since Kuck, wa :-))

The only problem is the data code is in Premiere without any additional tool invisible. The most common effect plug-in for Premiere is probably DV DATE (here's http://www.dvdate.ru/en/dvrecdate.html)

And here the application of DV in Premiere Date:


But how can one with TC and DC work. That I will work with you! Please give as many answers as you TC and DC in Premiere applies.

The main task of TC and DC is probably the synchronization of the host material
(Video with video Multicam keyword / video with audio / video interface with window)


Simple example:

At a gig is filmed with 3 cameras, which record all on miniDV. All cameras have the correct time (= DC) is set. In the premiere are then miniDV tape and transferred into auto scenes aufgeteil
(Adobe Premiere CS3 Help: autom. Scene Search) Any Kammera now gets its own video track. Now would be the scenes of the various cameras synchronized.

The result should be something:


Explanation: If the DC in the clip "CAM1 Szene01" of the track "CAM1" at 22:52:16, should the corresponding clip in the other tracks will be moved so that they at the same time synonymous DC 22:52: 16,. So the orange bar, the DC, no preference of any clip, 22:52:16 always be).

But with the DC premiere is in the best of my knowledge nothing auto arrange. (Why? Serious vulnerability in the software?) Premiere uses the DC really only for the above-mentioned "autom. Scene Search? o_O apparently already ...

To synchronize clips to be really, I have until now a laborious way through the TC selected. (Please read first before your next read: Adobe Premiere CS3 Help: Time Code)

Here is a picture where the TC in Premiere can read:

(!) TC should not be confused with the VideoIn and VideoOut. In the above picture is of the TC Clip3 of 00:10:01:12 to 00:10:22:23. This means that the file clip 03.avi on the original miniDV tape at 00 hours 10 minutes 01 seconds and 12 frames started (media launch) and 21sek12frames took (= media duration). But if you only some 15 seconds of the clip can be required by the VideoIn and VideoOut determine the boundaries.

Now the application of TC for synchronization of clips:
About "clip in the Project window, select> File> Time Code" is the time code of the clips (or scenes *. avi files) individually customize and example to make 22:52:16:00 - thus would be in our initial example of TC s.den DC adjusted. This must be done individually for each file set. Puhhh ...
Then you cut in the window is always "the matching clips select> right click> sync



Antwort von lofi:

Effects in Premiere Elements 3.0 10 hours material (10 HD tapes) of SonyHC-7 in SD mode captured.
Then with AVCutty 3.0 tries to sort.

The Datestamps are so inaccurate that I can not sort afterwards.
The date is true, but the time is partly for hours next to it.

Have I made a mistake?
Or make an error element? Or AVCutty?



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

Can you possibly set synonymous filename that in the seconds still occur?





Antwort von robbie:

that is, for example with szenealyzer. because it sets the filename together as name'jjjj-mm-dd hh-mm-ss.avi;)



Antwort von Futz:

@ all: Please do not distract from the subject. It is just at TIME CODE & DATA CODE in Premiere, and how to work with. If you have specific questions about other programs, please open up a new thread.

"@ Lofi" wrote:
Effects in Premiere Elements 3.0 10 hours material (10 HD tapes) of SonyHC-7 in SD mode captured.
Then with AVCutty 3.0 tries to sort.

The Datestamps are so inaccurate that I can not sort afterwards.
The date is true, but the time is partly for hours next to it.

Have I made a mistake?
Or make an error element? Or AVCutty?


Premiere supports seems to be no DC at HD material (see here below the picture)

Believe me to remember the code for HD Data synonymous somehow stored differently.



Antwort von Marco:

"Programs which can with DC as well, so that video scenes that can automatically synchronize?"

Vegas Pro 8th

Marco



Antwort von lx2:

Thanks for the tip schonmal Vegas Pro 8th Werd me something clever to make!

Specially the answers to questions 3-5 interested me. Who next:

- Fr03: DC and TC can be synchronized, eg via a plugin?

- Fr04: Is there a way in Premiere, clip so arranged that they s.Ihren VideoIn-score cut into the window to load? eg clip 03.avi VideoIn at 00:10:05:00 and clip 02.avi VideoIn at 00:08:07:18 ---> via command window cut in s.den respective bodies in track 1 insert

- Fr05: Can the TC for multiple files at once? eg TCneu = TCalt +21:00:00:00 So to the old Time Codes 21 hours add



Antwort von robbie:

"LX2" wrote:

- Fr03: DC and TC can be synchronized, eg via a plugin?


No idea, but why? Troubleshooting follows below ...

"LX2" wrote:

- Fr04: Is there a way in Premiere, clip so arranged that they s.Ihren VideoIn-score cut into the window to load? eg clip 03.avi VideoIn at 00:10:05:00 and clip 02.avi VideoIn at 00:08:07:18 ---> via command window cut in s.den respective bodies in track 1 insert

not that I knew, at least not in 1.5 ...

"LX2" wrote:

- Fr05: Can the TC for multiple files at once? eg TCneu = TCalt +21:00:00:00 So to the old Time Codes 21 hours add

The answer to this question varies with the issue of 03 ...
Normal consumer cameras have no built-TCG, ie time code generator. So it has only rudimentary Timecode - possibilities, namely a continuous time code on the tape to create.
Professional cameras have given several options.
It is possible, for example, the current time as a time code to write. That would be the synchronization of the desired data code-time code.

Furthermore, there is still synonymous to the free-run mode, which is required if you have multiple cameras with one another paddock. They then s.dem time of synchronization, an identical time code. This will always be, synonymous if nothing is taken or the camera is just off. It captures more of the time code that is currently running.
This leads to time code breaks, so a non-continuous time code.

Nor can I tell the camera where the time code to start, I can so the TC manual input.

User bits we do not want to discuss ...

The fact that most anyway such a camera has, when such functions are required, no longer need software or settings similar to these functions and to be artificially generate.
In addition, I understand your workflow somehow not;)



Antwort von Marco:

I do not know if you think for your specific case, what brings synonymous. But there is a small, brilliant tool, which - after an initial manual sync - all subsequent files solely on the basis of the data codes (that is really without time code as a reference) absolutely can frame accurately synchronized.

The tool is designed for the case that with several cameras synchronously rotated, but the cameras when filming does not go through, but steadily-and off.

After each of the first clip of all manual cameras synchronously once were, this tool provides for an automatic synchronization of all the clips after the recording of each camera is more or less often could be interrupted.

Even if the tool does not create an initial decline, so I think it is brilliant nevertheless, because of the Data Code, as such, actually only seconds, the synchronization with the tool but frame accurate, although the data base only the code.

Marco



Antwort von lx2:

@ Marco: Is this tool for Premiere? That would be exactly what I'm looking for. How good is the piece? Second would be quite great. But Frame Exactly ... mhhh a pleasure!

@ all: As an alternative solution or a better workflow, as you mentioned with the same scenario can work around, I like to thanks!

@ Robbi: Finally someone with the know of the matter! Thank you for your remarks. Now I want to go into detail on times and of an "EB cameraman, Producer / Director Live" :-) know what you are in such a situation, makes s.besten:

My chosen scenario, smaller performances, such as a ballet performance, a band gig or a theatrical presentation on the ordinary way, the relatives and friends of the actor / musician, are present.
That one or another amateur here (thanks to technological advantage) synonymous times digital (mostly MiniDV) recording is standard. While one grandpa just filming his granddaughter, the other mom to focus rather on the overall picture (with frequent press the REC button). However, one can not expect that all through shooting.

Several cams, professionally with the time code to be available, or even have a TCG that you have not. There are only small, diverse film scraps out, you become a major film zusammenflickt (logical-and-always just the best prospect chooses). The recorded time code helps here at all! But what can help is the data code, because it somehow (as experience shows) the timings of the cams, with few minutes or not, match.

It is an artificial or subsequent generation of time code is essential!

Workflow

My current workflow:

1. I transferred all MiniDVs with autom. Scene detection after premiere.
2. Each track gets a cam
3. Then I looked for my striking points in the scenes and synchronize the clips manual. eg by saying Maker set, and with the "right-click on the clip> Synchronize> nummerrierte Clipmarke 'work. (Data Code plugin do I help, if someone really big jumps are there.)
4. then work with the multicam feature of Premiere.
(Sequence with clips in a different sequence pull> Clip> Multikammera> Activate)
(Window> MultikammeraMonitor> Record> with 1-4 keys to change Kammeraperspektive)
Unfortunately, only with up to 4 tracks. You can create multiple sequences ...

EDIT:
Here's a tutorial, my current workflow: TUTORIAL (engl.)

My preferred workflow:

1. see above
2 & 3 TUTORIAL (engl.)

a function such as "all the clips in the Project window, select> Project> Automatically convert Seqenz> Placement> s.Datacode align"
4. as above

Item 2 & 3 must therefore somehow be automated. As I said, you have times 3 Cams with each 50 scenes can be even 2-3 hour until everything is placed. It is thus in some Premiere "Workaraound" found.

Therefore I am so synonymous with my questions. They should only be used to find a way to, as I vorallem at point 3 is no longer manual work needs. S.besten times I explain why I've asked questions as

TUTORIAL (engl.)

"Question 1" wrote:
TUTORIAL (engl.)

Premiere uses only DC for the "automatic. Scene Search?
TUTORIAL (engl.)


fr01 to: basically just to know if Premiere synonymous with Data Code may otherwise avoid.

TUTORIAL (engl.)

"Question 2" wrote:
TUTORIAL (engl.)

Programs which can be as good with DC bypass, so that video scenes that can automatically synchronize?
TUTORIAL (engl.)


fr02 to in emergency situations to a different program change.

TUTORIAL (engl.)

"Question 3" wrote:
TUTORIAL (engl.)

DC and TC can be synchronized, eg via a plugin?
TUTORIAL (engl.)


fr03 too: if it works, you can at least with the "right-click



Antwort von Marco:

"Is Premiere the tool?"

It is just a standalone tool that is a cut in the output list in the EDL format. The EDL format was compared to Vegas and Edius. Whether it is synonymous with premiere works, I do not. It calls itself the way, "MultiCamSync" and was used in Canpus forum for free download (->
here). But apparently now agrees with anything the download file is no longer - I can not unpack.

Marco



Antwort von lx2:

The only plugin for Premiere, which I've found regarding multicam and synchronization is



Antwort von Marco:

There are to my knowledge to date on any tool / plugin / program, except that very MultiCamSync, which would be in a position solely on the basis of the data codes multiple cameras frame-accurate sync.

Marco



Antwort von robbie:

Well ... Shooting leads s.durchgehenden probably can not afford to miss if you do not have the option, the more cameras settings at the time code.
Furthermore, the version with the Data synonymous Code requires that all cameras at the same time asked EXAKT are ... Frame Just because you are not synonymous, since the data only up to code to seconds level, ...

You should look at another workflow on set, quite frankly ...
Either the cameras can go through what the easiest way is with a camera or a wide shot from a fixed position Halbtotal makes ...



Antwort von Marco:

"Furthermore, the version with the Data synonymous Code requires that all cameras at the exact same time frame have been ... Just because you are not synonymous, since the data only up to code to seconds level, ..."

That is precisely the Geniale s.diesem tool. Apart of the manual initial synchronization of each first takes each camera needs this tool neither concerted Data codes, nor any other data. And yet, the comparison frame-accurate. The images can be synonymous as often and as long broken. Even if two days between two shots is true then the sync (assuming that the system can cut such a long timeline display ...).

Marco



Antwort von Dagmar:

"Marco" wrote:
That is precisely the Geniale s.diesem tool. Apart of the manual initial synchronization of each first takes each camera needs this tool neither concerted Data codes, nor any other data. And yet, the comparison frame-accurate.


The lights me something of a yes synonymous. Programming Technically there is no great effort behind it. The tool is calculated simply frames it. Ich geh mal assume that your camcorder is always full 25 frames Record. So if you have to hit stop, I'm hardly conceivable that at 15:00:16: 21 but then stopped at 15:00:17

As an example:

You lead your only necessary synchronization and notice:

Data Code of Kammera1 at 11.02.2008 15:25:15 and 13 frames
is to be synchronously
Data Code of Kammera2 at 10.02.2008 14:50:07 and 2 frames

The program now remembers the simple difference between the two clips, which is 1 day 00 hours 35Minuten 08 seconds 11Frames
So + 1DAY 00:35:08:11.
(Must not be so obviously a huge difference, so rich synonymous only a few minutes)

and already you can synchronize all the rest. The Kammeras have ever exactly this time difference. Because it really is not much behind it. Why is that Adobe is not-how I do not ... tztztz



Antwort von Herbert@S:

Host has written the following:
Quote:
The lights me something of a yes synonymous. Programming Technically there is no great effort behind it. The tool is calculated simply frames it. Ich geh mal assume that your camcorder is always full 25 frames Record. So if you have to hit stop, I'm hardly conceivable that the stop at 15:00:16:21 but then only at 15:00:17


In order not to spread misinformation:
The Camera starts neither with a full minute it ends like that.
Otherwise, the frame number in the AVI header is always a multiple of 25th
I do not know the camera to do this!

@ Marco
If the tool all the cameras are turned off and then hours or days later weitergefilmt is - this gap is closed car. The timeline should therefore not very long.
You can specify the tool but that it x frames can be released so that at least a small gap remains.
As the individual cameras synchronously over long periods of stay depends on the accuracy of their internal clock from.

Gruß Herbert
of the tool has been written and therefore knows what he writes!



Antwort von etv:

Hello Herbert @ S,

where there's this tool?

Regards
etv



Antwort von Herbert@S:

Hello etv

At the moment the program can probably never be downloaded. I had it in the old Canopus forum described and available for download. Unfortunately, now probably the Attatchments amounts of the separated (or deleted) by Space sparen.Da it at the moment only with the old Edius Version 3.5 or 3.6 and Vegas runs keeps the number of potential users is limited. Must look it here if I was available for download in the forum can provide. I'm still new here - as you can see here is my 2nd Contribution.
But I like probiers times.

But now briefly again to the program and somewhat synonymous to the background so that you and others see whether it could and what you use.
I have the program s.liebsten for Premiere and Edius written. My idea was: If it's a Datenaustauchprogramm for cutting lists with which I am a Project Export and import again, then brought to the files only chronological succession (seamlessly) to the timeline set (one lane in each camera) then the first clip of a Camera to synchronize the other tracks - then export them. Then my program retrieves the file from the export file reads from the files to the exact frame Datecode expects the respective position on the timeline from - eliminating the pauses where no camera ran and then writes the resulting intersection list back to the export file.
Then import this file into the editing system and all cameras (up to 16) agree exactly for the frame. Such an exchange format would be an EDL file.
Unfortunately, neither were Premiere (1.o Pro) 3.6 Edius still capable of their own export files to import, or a uniform cross-format processing. Most came with no filename, because the assumption is that re-captured. On the other hand, are usually read only one video track export - I smoke but one lane in each camera.
The only assured me then that his own system to cut back EDLs read several synonymous and video tracks can handle Marco was with Vegas. So it was that he sent me a small EDL was available with a hard copy of the associated timeline. So my program, I was able to adapt to Vegas, Vegas life without ever having seen or on my PC to have.
He was the first of the synonymous could see if my program is working correctly - I had no way to test it.
Given me the project file of Premiere too extensive appeared anxious I Edius me a 30-day trial version. Here I thought it feasible to analyze the data to me and to extract and after my changes in the project file back playing. All I had within 30 days to bring the series.
But it was how it had come - now Canopus has changed the project file and call it now instead of *. ezp *. epj. That's why I wanted to go on the EDLs, because the file format for longer remain constant.
Premiere now have the file name in the EDL - can but only one video track. Premiere is not so good for a variety of clips in each file but would like to prefer s.Stück have in a file. Otherwise you have eternal waiting time during loading. Therefore, I now tend to be rather Edius. The question is only how I handle myself now s.besten On.

Somehow this does not work with the Attatchment!

Gruß Herbert



Antwort von etv:

Hello Herbert,

na bravo - that sounds really complicated arg.

A pity that once again synonymous because each vendor is to net A format without if and but some could and Amal premiere his own net exports can read again * g *
... who will do something, ask me because ... * g *

If the Premiere gefunzt would be a madness, because such a rotation's always happen again and unfortunately not all of our cams a Time Code can sync - jo so unfortunately always müss'ma optical or acoustic "refer to the same frame ...
... and an end that is synonymous with the SonyEX1 not in sight * g *

Regards
etv



Antwort von wolfgang:

@ Herbert,

if you want, I give you hosting the tool in the video meeting. Is probably only a small file. Would be a shame if something is no longer available, and was synonymous certainly a lot of work for you.

LG
Wolfgang



Antwort von Herbert@S:

Hello Wolfgang,

I have the program yet - just did not ichs hingekriegt that I could make here. Do I have to another server and just link to? So add attachment was not so!

If only one other host goes, you can feel free to host.
Is very small - less than 20 KB!

Gruß Herbert



Antwort von wolfgang:

Herbert,

So I can to the point that the thing does not work here, some say - in fact allows for the forum software here attachement.

If you want, that I file a small venue hosting the video - then send them to me via email

video meetingPlace AT aon.at

Everything else via email.



Antwort von Badd:

sounds really feel strongly after Cinema Tools ...



Antwort von Badd:

The tool of Herbert is now available for any interested parties here:

http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=5893




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